What would you change on the P or CW?

[jpshaw]

Is there anything you don't like about the P and CW series. I personally love the size and feel and the fact that the frames is not visable bigger than the slide. The slide lock pin has always been something I would like to be a little thinner though. I know it would make it harder to release the slide but it would conceal better. I would also like a "flush fit" magazine even if you lost a round for those times when you need more concealment. Any changes you guys would make?

[otium]

Ditto on the flush mags - or at least do something about that sharp edged plastic bottom of the mag. I don't feel it has any place in a ccw rig.

For CWs & CMs,

Slide stop lever being made thinner and/or even slightly melted would be terrific.

Would like to see the the factory spend a couple of extra seconds smoothing or dulling the extra sharp edges in the slide's ejection port. I've found it can certainly tear at leather holster material if you don't deal with it yourself.

[FirstKahr]

I'm with you. Those are the only things that bug me about my P45. If Kahr would offer a flush fit mag option I'm sure they would sell like hot cakes.

[ripley16]

* I would like to see an adjustable backstrap so the gun would fit my hand better.

* The slide stop pin is fragile; a beefier more robust, or less vulnerable spring would be nice.

* A hammer... but I won't go there. :D

* I'd like better sights... at the minimun normal three dot sights.

[chrish]

Same, flush mags.

A .22 conversion kit would be awesome. Or better yet, .22 tcm. Or better yet, both.

[titus1971]

I'm okay with the long initial trigger pull but I'd like to see a shorter reset on the trigger. Sometimes it's hard to transistion when doing double taps from somehting with a short reset (like a Glock) to something like a Kahr that has to be let all the way back out. I tend to shortstroke it until I get back in the Kahr Groove.

[doublebarrel]

Needs flush mags.I shouldn't have to modify 1911 mags to get a flush mag.They also should check slides closer,should not have to do my own machineing on it.Clear mag followers so they don't hang up on mag release.

[sjones]

I don't like the rear sight,I'd much rather have the 2 dot set up.

[JFootin]

I don't like the rear sight,I'd much rather have the 2 dot set up.

Amen to that.

[CJB]

Yup - make the mags into a total extension of the base - for extended mags - or totally flush (or nearly so) like the PM's

[jpshaw]

I don't like the rear sight,I'd much rather have the 2 dot set up.

I didn't either but after carrying the P9 for 10 years now I've gotten used to the stack up. Sorta like the straight eight sights.

[1slinginlead2]

They should add a little palm swell so the grip isn't as flat as a credit card. It's just lacking to me. Although the hogue handall jr. made a big difference.

The should do a little different texture on the sides and a little less on the front and rear since so many people complain about it being too aggressive.

Maybe a shorter trigger pull if it's possible. It's smooth as hell. Now if they could just shorten it a little.

Don't they already offer a 3 dot set up or is that only night sights?

[TucsonMTB]

I liked everything about my CW40 except having to file down the side of the magazine follower to make it clear the magazine catch and feed the second and third rounds reliably.

What's up with that? :rolleyes:

[chrish]

Now that someone has mentioned the grips, I have to agree. Not overly disappointed w/ the grips, but after getting my Sig P250, I love the finer texture they have. Much better grip texture. So a change to a finer grip texture would be on my list as well. I've always thought there was too much 'bite' on the front and back of the grip for my tastes.

[jocko]

They should add a little palm swell so the grip isn't as flat as a credit card. It's just lacking to me. Although the hogue handall jr. made a big difference.

The should do a little different texture on the sides and a little less on the front and rear since so many people complain about it being too aggressive.

Maybe a shorter trigger pull if it's possible. It's smooth as hell. Now if they could just shorten it a little.

Don't they already offer a 3 dot set up or is that only night sights?

the palm swell sounds super but for lefty's no so super. remember we shoot to.

U can get a shorter trigger system in a couple of certain model kahrs but those will also have the external safety lever on them also, becuas of the shorter trigger that your talking about. . Ur kahr trigger now is 3/8
". which to me is ideal the new trigger will be 1/8" less or 1/4" trigger pull. Kahr must feel as I certainly do that a 1/4" trigger pull with zero safetys on a gun might just be alittle risky for any type of pocket carry. They ain't target guns, they are defense guns. Most love um because of the simplicty of the gun and the smoothness of the trigger system. If I am not mistaken this enhanced trigger system will be available on the P9 and PM9 which both will then have the external safety and LCI (loaded chamger indicator). Just sayin

Palm swells in after market grips are sometimes available for lefty's but I don't see most any gun maker making a palm swell on a polymer gun due to eliminateion of lefty buyers and also for righties who dont like the palm swell. Again IMO palm swells are more in order on target" type guns. Just sayin.

[jocko]

I liked everything about my CW40 except having to file down the side of the magazine follower to make it clear the magazine catch and feed the second and third rounds reliably.

What's up with that? :rolleyes:

dont have any issues in that area as u well know. this mod iMO is a simple mod that causes no harm to the gun. IMO it probaby is a mag release button a tad out of spec. Now it is replaceable by kahr if one makes a phone call and explains the issue, but we have found that doing the sanding part eliminates the call and the wait and possably another mag release button out of spec, or for some reason the combination in ones kahrs just doesn't work out like we think it should.
IMO it beats sending back the gun for an issue that now WE know what is causing it and we know how to fix it easily. I would bet many kahr owners that have experienced this issues have sent the gun back due to feed issues. I often wonder if kahr catches that issue even upon test firing that gun. for it they don't put in a full magazine but maybe only 4 rounds or 5 rounds, this issue will not happen and then bingo back the gun comes as stated test fired and OK. Or how many have send back thier kahrs and not the magazines and then kahr uses there test magazines and everything works fine.

Got to remember probalby a few % even read this forum, so 95% have no clue what is causing the ftf issues and there for either send it back or trade it off as a POS. I am not alibing for kahr, but it is what it is..Again probalby 95% never have an issues, in that area..

At least Tucson it is nice to know that what u did solved your issues. I think also that is why some people come to certain gun brand forum and that is for some help from veteran owners of that product who have found little fixes that actually work.

I know that I have had dozens of PM's sent to me thanking me for putting them on to that simple fix for the same issues u stated. thats what gun forums are for IMO.

[TucsonMTB]

I know that I have had dozens of PM's sent to me thanking me for putting them on to that simple fix for the same issues u stated. thats what gun forums are for IMO.
Hey Jocko!

Yeah, I enjoy knowing about the little tricks and helping people who need them as much as anyone. It's very satisfying. http://home.mindspring.com/%7Ejustsomeguy/thumbsup.gif

But, some issues are easy to fix as a running change during mold maintenance. I believe this is one of them and would be willing to give up the fun. ;)

[kb2wji]

I'm with Ripley. Hammer fired with second strike capability.
Mags that drop free !
Shorter trigger reset
maybe a PM.50AE...wait, nevermind.

[jocko]

Hey Jocko!

Yeah, I enjoy knowing about the little tricks and helping people who need them as much as anyone. It's very satisfying. http://home.mindspring.com/%7Ejustsomeguy/thumbsup.gif

But, some issues are easy to fix as a running change during mold maintenance. I believe this is one of them and would be willing to give up the fun. ;)

right but also keepin mind this is not an epedimic thing either and wehave seen more karh slide stop replacements than anything else. It just happens.

[CJB]

I didn't either but after carrying the P9 for 10 years now I've gotten used to the stack up. Sorta like the straight eight sights.

Sig has used dot the "i" or "pattern vonStavenhagen" for years - since the 70's... few people gripe. Stick it on Kahr... lots of gripes. Go figure.

[ripley16]

Sig has used dot the "i" or "pattern vonStavenhagen" for years - since the 70's... few people gripe. Stick it on Kahr... lots of gripes. Go figure.

I have two older Sigs, but I don't prefer those sights either. Sig dropped the "i" sights. Hmmm, I wonder if they know something? ;)

[godan]

Considering what the basic, very successful, design could accommodate without re-engineering, I would like to see the flush mag that several have mentioned - even at the cost of losing a round. Also, screw-in front sights of different heights, like aftermarkets for Glocks, and an adjustable rear, with options for dots, tritium, plain face etc., would be nice. It would be even nicer if the dovetail fit were secured with a set-screw, rather than the present extremely tight fit.

[air8]

I'm loving the bar-dot sights. I'd like to put some on my XDM 5.25 really.

[1slinginlead2]

I kinda like the bar sig style sights. They seem to be quicker to pick up on to me. They are a little different if your not use to them i guess. Sights are always something easily changed if you don't like them. I've only shot with mine twice and my accuracy is already showing improvements. I'm debating on putting a fiber optic front sight on mine and keeping the rear bar sight.

[jpshaw]

Now that someone has mentioned the grips, I have to agree. Not overly disappointed w/ the grips, but after getting my Sig P250, I love the finer texture they have. Much better grip texture. So a change to a finer grip texture would be on my list as well. I've always thought there was too much 'bite' on the front and back of the grip for my tastes.

Carry it for 10 years fairly constantly and that "bite" will smooth up quite a bit. My older P9 feels great now.

[wyntrout]

I was considering the CW9 for my wife, but looking at the CW/CM models, I was put off by the really cheap looking stamped model and name on the slides. It looked like it was done by hand and by several different people, each adding his one free-handed letter/number!!

I would rather find a used P9 than buy any of those for $349.99... as all were priced at Shooters the other day. They had a used P9 sale-priced at $470, but I wasn't crazy about that particular pistol.

I was at our "lesser" gun show yesterday and the prices there were $399 and up... even more for some used ones! Shooters will be at the better gun show at the convention center August 4/5.

I didn't buy a danged thing at this show.

Wynn:)

[Armybrat]

I'm with you. Those are the only things that bug me about my P45. If Kahr would offer a flush fit mag option I'm sure they would sell like hot cakes.

+100%

The ugly bulky plastic base plate is an abomination on such a cleanly styled pistol.
It goes totally against their design philosophy, IMO.

[wyntrout]

With the other calibers you can get metal base plates, though it might require an O-ring to prevent pinch, since there's a bit too much gap in the front. I got pinched by my P40 with a flush-metal base plate. I wish that we had the choice for the .45's... a Kahr flush-metal base plate kit for the .45's.

The P-series is about 1/2" longer in slide and grip dimensions, and the metal base really makes a difference for CC... to me, anyhow.

Wynn:)

[jpshaw]

Sig dropped the "i" sights. Hmmm, I wonder if they know something? ;)

Not all changes are improvements. Most are to reduce costs. Most of the rest are to satisfy consumer demands that may or may not be right. Twenty years ago Honda Accord had a 4 cylinder engine with more torgue and HP then their V6 competitors. They added the V6 solely because the consumers "thought" it was better. The sight change was probably a case of soothing over consumers.