View Full Version : Is the real Joke on us?
Barth
07-21-2012, 07:15 AM
Since "The Joker" chose an AR style gun.
With a high cap 100 round snail mag.
And and bought 6000+ rounds over the internet.
I can't help but wonder of if some flavor the Brady Bill will suddenly be resurrected.
No ARs and no High Cap mags would suck.
But no online ammo sales for me is the real nightmare.
Other than at gun shows,
high quality ammo here is expensive and sometimes hard to come by.
I'm already seeing gun control advocates claiming more restrictions would reduce these horrific events.
Few people seem to be saying "one armed citizen could have lessened the carnage".
As Jocko says; I'm just saying...
CrabbyAzz
07-21-2012, 07:19 AM
I don't expect too much backlash. About a week of talking heads trashing each other and then everything will be back to normal. Just my opinion, people are getting pretty numb to this stuff.
Barth
07-21-2012, 07:22 AM
I don't expect too much backlash. About a week of talking heads trashing each other and then everything will be back to normal. Just my opinion, people are getting pretty numb to this stuff.
Initial polls, and gun restrictions following other events in this type in the past, seem to follow that point of view.
I hope you're right...
Common sense seems hard to come by these days.
CrabbyAzz
07-21-2012, 07:45 AM
We are at a point where we are sacrificing too much freedom and spending too much money on perceived security. I think everyone is starting to realize that. Theirs no way to stop a lone wolf crazy man.
Longitude Zero
07-21-2012, 07:46 AM
Agreed. A lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.
muggsy
07-21-2012, 08:45 AM
We are at a point where we are sacrificing too much freedom and spending too much money on perceived security. I think everyone is starting to realize that. Theirs no way to stop a lone wolf crazy man.
Now that an extreme rightwing comment if I ever heard one. There's hope for you yet, CrabbyAzz. You can bet that some left wing liberal socialist democrat will attempt to make hay from the carnage. It's in their blood.
Charlie
07-21-2012, 08:54 AM
The outcome would have been different if an off duty LEO or armed citizens would have intervened. This puke is a coward.
les strat
07-21-2012, 09:05 AM
It's an individual issue, not a gun issue. The weapons were the tools, not the mastermind behind it. Could have been a bomb, car, chemicals... you name it.
Do college students really have enough $ to buy 5,000 rounds of ammo online? I know I didn't when I was in school! That's like $1,600 (at the least) for .223.
wyntrout
07-21-2012, 09:43 AM
Hey! Maybe that guy had run up a hundred grand or so in student loans and decided on a fully taxpayer supported lifetime of leisure in prison... maybe even finish his PhD in prison!
Wynn:)
Yogi 117
07-21-2012, 11:11 AM
The outcome would have been different if an off duty LEO or armed citizens would have intervened.
I agree 100%. But on a CBS Special I watched last night, Liberal NYC Mayor Bloomberg basically said that having armed citizens in the crowd would have made things worse, and begged the question: Is that really we want want?
IMHO, the progessive left just does NOT understand that the NO GUN ZONES are the ones that continually get attacked. Also on the show was polling results from the 80's & today. Almost 80% of Americans polled in the 80's felt stricter gun control laws were needed, as to only 44% today. Politicians will use the rhetoric and move on, as I think they realize pushing for more strict gun laws is like taking a poison pill. Their efforts to dis-arm will remain, but I do believe will fail every time. :eek:
wyntrout
07-21-2012, 11:17 AM
This is what happens when you cede your liberties and responsibilities to the government and let THEM be responsible for YOUR safety. Where were the alarms and safeguards on the theater exit doors??? The effect was to pen up a bunch of sheeple for the slaughter that took place.
Wynn:(
downtownv
07-21-2012, 11:20 AM
King Bloomie is way too full of himself. If you don't know there's a beverage war going on in NYC and Ole Bloomie boy seems to be losing it.
He wants to outlaw beverages over 16 oz because the people of NY are too fat. Big Government thinking they knows best!
Foock you King Bloomberg!
Then disgustingly he take the tragedy of Aurora and turns into a political grandstand.... That's despicable, along with George Stephanopouls Immediately said there was a Tea Party Member named James Holmes in Aurora as if to say Tea Party people are Gun crazed! Too bad the one he talked about was a 52 year old hispanic man, not much in common with the maniac shooter! Ass Whole!
JFootin
07-21-2012, 12:35 PM
I am convinced that the libtard reporters already knew the shooter is an Obama supporter and an Occupier. So it was a despicable attempt to divert the blame to the Tea Party.
Charlie
07-21-2012, 02:28 PM
I agree 100%. But on a CBS Special I watched last night, Liberal NYC Mayor Bloomberg basically said that having armed citizens in the crowd would have made things worse, and begged the question: Is that really we want want?
IMHO, the progessive left just does NOT understand that the NO GUN ZONES are the ones that continually get attacked. Also on the show was polling results from the 80's & today. Almost 80% of Americans polled in the 80's felt stricter gun control laws were needed, as to only 44% today. Politicians will use the rhetoric and move on, as I think they realize pushing for more strict gun laws is like taking a poison pill. Their efforts to dis-arm will remain, but I do believe will fail every time. :eek:
Well there ya go, if he doesnt like guns then why does he have 365/24/7 ARMED PROTECTION.
titus1971
07-21-2012, 02:48 PM
This unfortunate incident got me to thinking (I know a dangerous thing). It was reported that the nut job had a vest and ballistics helmet on. Short of a five-seven with AP rounds is there any standard handgun round that would have stopped him? Maybe a .357 sig?
downtownv
07-21-2012, 02:48 PM
No, you got wrong. He doesn't like YOU to have a gun!
Barth
07-21-2012, 04:08 PM
This unfortunate incident got me to thinking (I know a dangerous thing). It was reported that the nut job had a vest and ballistics helmet on. Short of a five-seven with AP rounds is there any standard handgun round that would have stopped him? Maybe a .357 sig?
I have a class IIIa Bianchi ballistic vest that will stop a 44 Magnum.
I'm thinking my Mountain Gun would still knock the SOB down and crack some ribs.
Give me time to get close for a head shot.
My tactical solution to body armor is shooting for the pelvis and legs.
357 Sig to the )(*&*(* should get their attention.
I've actually asked Mas Ayoob on GlockTalk for advice on the subject.
downtownv
07-21-2012, 04:17 PM
Reports were he had a ballistic helmet, leg, neck & groin body armor but any hit was still gonna break his rhythm! Also reported that there were legal ccw holds in the theater that followed the law..... NO FIREARMS!
I believe there were studies that show a 45 will knock you down with serious contusions while wearing body armor but the 45 wouldn't kill you as in penetration.....
jocko
07-21-2012, 04:53 PM
HEH DONWTOWNV: Foock you King Bloomberg
i LIKE UR STYULE. jUST SAYIN
les strat
07-21-2012, 04:55 PM
No, you got wrong. He doesn't like YOU to have a gun!
Ding Ding Ding! There's the answer. None of them do, but you can bet your ass their protection will include guns.
JFootin
07-21-2012, 06:51 PM
Reports were he had a ballistic helmet, leg, neck & groin body armor but any hit was still gonna break his rhythm! Also reported that there were legal ccw holds in the theater that followed the law..... NO FIREARMS!
I believe there were studies that show a 45 will knock you down with serious contusions while wearing body armor but the 45 wouldn't kill you as in penetration.....
An FN 5.7 would have poked some holes in the armor and him. Small holes, but lots of them. He'd a started leaking like a sieve in short order.
Planedude
07-21-2012, 09:25 PM
Saw this today: http://news.yahoo.com/calls-gun-control-stir-little-support-132319718.html
This nation has an issue with these shooters. The issue isn't the gun, it's the crazy bassturd that wields it.
Until we as a nation adress the crazy issue, the shootings will continue. Very sad but true...
On a side note, I have been carrying my P380 and a spare mag because I precive my most likely trouble to be more the Ocala Fl situation over the Colorado movie house shooting. I know that it is very likely I will never need a gun to defend myself and my family. The odds favor never, with the next possiblity being more like the Florida robbery. The odds I would/could find myself in that movie house situation go way above my shot at winning the lotto and getting hit by lightning while celebrating my new money.
So with that in mind, is it weird I'm today shopping for a IWB holster for my .45cal 1911?
That will have to hold me till I can afford a new PM45...;)
TheTman
07-21-2012, 10:20 PM
CrabbyAzz, your two comments caused me think perhaps we are rubbing off on you. I mean that in a good way. You had valid points that most of us can agree with. That was very refreshing.
I just think it is a sad situation. I was reading the paper today about the incident, and I really wonder more so about what is going through these people's minds than how it is going to effect my rights though. I'm so sick of of hearing these types of things in the news. I wish we could figure out how to get these people help before they go out shooting people up that didn't do them no wrong. It's crazy. But, I'm sure more likely to die by one of these loons before I figure and answer or a miracle cure. Another thought...no offensive, but the way I read it. It didn't seem like a ccw holder would have a chance in ___ to stop it. Maybe, but I suppose we will never know, because they didn't have a chance from the get-go -- since they follow the laws.
downtownv
07-22-2012, 05:26 AM
CrabbyAzz, your two comments caused me think perhaps we are rubbing off on you. I mean that in a good way. You had valid points that most of us can agree with. That was very refreshing.
I thought I was the only one that noticed that.....:D
downtownv
07-22-2012, 05:37 AM
I just think it is a sad situation. I was reading the paper today about the incident, and I really wonder more so about what is going through these people's minds than how it is going to effect my rights though. I'm so sick of of hearing these types of things in the news. I wish we could figure out how to get these people help before they go out shooting people up that didn't do them no wrong. It's crazy. But, I'm sure more likely to die by one of these loons before I figure and answer or a miracle cure. Another thought...no offensive, but the way I read it. It didn't seem like a ccw holder would have a chance in ___ to stop it. Maybe, but I suppose we will never know, because they didn't have a chance from the get-go -- since they follow the laws.
The key word is LAW Abiding legal gun owners, in this case the theater bears some responsibility A) allowing a patron to exit a fire door w/o an emergency, put a door stop in place and RE-ENTER loaded for Humans. All w/o any front line of security, an usher, at the very least.
B) leaving LAW Abiding legal gun owners defenseless, due to the No firearms policy in place.
downtownv
07-22-2012, 05:53 AM
Then you have is Headline media whore!
Ed Rendell, the former Democratic governor of Pennsylvania, was more emphatic than many in the early hours after the shooting. "Everyone is scared of the NRA," he said on MSNBC. "Number one, there are some things worth losing for in politics and to be able to prevent carnage like this is worth losing for."
This ******** is willing to forgo the constitution (Signed in Pennsylvania) Which reaps tons of tourist $$$ at Independence Square in Philthy-delphia!
Meanwhile there has been flash mobs ravaging shop owners and NO one has stopped them from emptying a business clean. Where's this Fattass on his own home turf?
Talking Colorado, that's where...
Tinman you need a Gov w/ some Balls, Wanna borrow My Chris Christie?
Tinman507
07-22-2012, 05:56 AM
I'll take Chris Christie as soon as he grows a set and fights for reasonable gun laws in his own state.
We don't even listen to Fast Eddie here anymore. He's a non-entity.
downtownv
07-22-2012, 07:58 AM
I'll take Chris Christie as soon as he grows a set and fights for reasonable gun laws in his own state.
We don't even listen to Fast Eddie here anymore. He's a non-entity.
It's the limp peckered legislature the gov can't do a thing about it I've written him and he said he would sign it if the weenies EVER presented to him.....
I actually have the letter. But your Gov is way outta line with those kind of statements!
PYROhafe
07-22-2012, 07:28 PM
Thought this was an interesting view on the whole ordeal... http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html
jocko
07-22-2012, 07:39 PM
and whether u like um or not the politicians fear only one gun organization. The NRA and we members are gonna get a sh!tload of NRA mail in the next few months wanting money to fightwhatis coming downthe pike IMO. I see nuttin happeing until after the election but after that, the gloves will come off, espeically if the GREAT ONE gets back in office. We need to take the senate this fall to.
I wonder what the NUDGE would have to say about all of this. oh damn forget I even brought that up:banplease:
downtownv
07-23-2012, 04:03 AM
Thought this was an interesting view on the whole ordeal... http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html
Especially this part:
http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html
Question: How does an unemployed medical student afford $20,000 in weapons gear?
If you start to look at the really big picture here, the obvious question arises: How does an unemployed medical student afford all the complex weapons gear, bomb-making gear, "flammable" ***** trap devices, ammunition, multiple magazines, bullet-proof vest, groin protection, ballistic helmet, SWAT uniform and all the rest of it?
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html#ixzz2 1R0xao8g
les strat
07-23-2012, 08:42 AM
Last I read, he had student loans.
les strat
07-23-2012, 08:53 AM
and whether u like um or not the politicians fear only one gun organization. The NRA and we members are gonna get a sh!tload of NRA mail in the next few months wanting money to fightwhatis coming downthe pike IMO. I see nuttin happeing until after the election but after that, the gloves will come off, espeically if the GREAT ONE gets back in office. We need to take the senate this fall to.
I wonder what the NUDGE would have to say about all of this. oh damn forget I even brought that up:banplease:
You'll be seeing black helicopters any time now. :behindsofa:
yqtszhj
07-23-2012, 06:45 PM
We are at a point where we are sacrificing too much freedom and spending too much money on perceived security. I think everyone is starting to realize that. Theirs no way to stop a lone wolf crazy man.
I couldn't agree more.
Hey Crabby, I'm starting to think that you're a closet conservative or libertarian. Come on out of the closet, we'll accept you. :D
Just messing with you.
JFootin
07-24-2012, 10:11 AM
Here is a confused guy who thinks gun control is the Christian thing to do. Note my reply under the name John E.
http://zionica.com/2012/07/24/why-gun-control-is-a-religious-issue/
Double3
07-24-2012, 10:14 AM
Just days after the horrifying events in Aurora, Colorado — where at least twelve people were killed and dozens more injured by what police believe to be a lone gunman — the Denver Post is reporting that background checks for people wanting to buy guns in the state have jumped more than 41% after Friday’s horrific events.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gun-sales-gun-classes-in-colo-skyrocket-after-dark-knight-shooting/
CrabbyAzz
07-24-2012, 11:00 AM
Especially this part:
http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html
Question: How does an unemployed medical student afford $20,000 in weapons gear?
If you start to look at the really big picture here, the obvious question arises: How does an unemployed medical student afford all the complex weapons gear, bomb-making gear, "flammable" ***** trap devices, ammunition, multiple magazines, bullet-proof vest, groin protection, ballistic helmet, SWAT uniform and all the rest of it?
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html#ixzz2 1R0xao8g
According to the college, he's on a 100% scholarship and he receives a $26,000 per year stipen. They also said he passed a background check prior to being accepted into the program.
JohnR
07-24-2012, 11:29 AM
Last I read, he had student loans.
And a high limit credit card probably.
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