one annoyance

[beerbeer95648]

Due to the lack of a return spring on the striker, I have twice now slammed a round into the bottom of the striker upon chambering the first round. This has happened when I had been dry firing then manually locked the slide back and tried to chamber a round, while not noticing that the striker is protruding.

Am I the only one who has done this? I am trying my best to remember to check after I have been dry firing without snap caps. I assume the striker is beefy enough to not be damaged by this.

[TucsonMTB]

Never had this happen, so I am curious . . . does the round chamber properly after hitting the striker? Thanks for sharing your experience.

[yqtszhj]

I would check the firing pin and firing pin channel if you haven't already also. There is a clean out hole in the bottom of the slide to spray some cleaner (not oil) which may help. There is a slide takedown thread on here somewhere that will show you how to remove the back cover and remove the backplate, spring, pin, and all that stuff so you can clean everything real good.

I haven't heard of one getting stuck in the out position but what do I know.

[beerbeer95648]

No. It doesnt chamber. The rim of the cartridge binds hard as it slides up the breech face and contacts the protruding pin. If I rack the slide forcefully, then the pin retracts like it would when fired. But if I lock it back gingerly after dry firing, then the pin stays protruding and it jams upon loading. I have cleaned it out well, but will break down the top end tonight, if for nothing else to have a look at the striker tip to make sure I did not hurt it.

I dont see this being an issue with live fire, but I see myself doing this often since I like to dry fire practice.

[OldLincoln]

There's something going on with your striker assembly. The striker is partially cocked when the slide is racked or locked back and the pin should not protrude. That's why the spring is unnecessary in Kahrs.

[gb6491]

The striker is does not become partially cocked until the slide is about a quarter inch from going into battery; so until that point it's possible that the striker may protrude from the breech face. As the OP states "I have twice now slammed a round into the bottom of the striker upon chambering the first round", I agree that breaking down the slide and cleaning it and the striker components is a good course of action. Afterward, if the striker still prevents a round from chambering then perhaps there is some damage to components or a part is out of spec (IE: the striker is protruding too far, the striker's end may not be rounded sufficiently, the striker spring is too long, etc. ).
Regards,
Greg

[cobrasjp]

This is a common situation for striker fired guns. When dry fired, the striker travels forward to its full extent and the slide does not cycle. This leaves the tip of the striker sticking out the front of the breach face immediately after pulling the trigger.

If you then lock the slide back and attempt to chamber a round, the protruding striker tip prevents the case rim from sliding up the breach face.

To eliminate this problem, when chambering a round after the gun has been dryfired, just cycle the slide back and forth one time before locking it back. This will reset the striker so its not sticking out of the breachface. Try it and you'll see the difference.

If you want to see a perfect example of this, watch a USPSA Production Division shooter with a Springfield Armory XD or XDm. When told to unload and show clear, they will unchamber the round, pull the trigger on an empty chamber, and then holster the pistol. When they shoot the next course of fire, most experienced shooters will unholster the pistol, rack the slide several times with no magazine in the gun, then insert a magazine and chamber a round. If the shooter forgets to cycle the slide before inserting the magazine and chambering a round, the round will catch on the striker tip. I learned this the hard way until I figured out how striker fired guns are affected by dry firing.

Give my suggestion a try and let us know how it works for you. After a while, cycling the slide several times before chambering a round becomes second nature.

Hope this helps.
SJP

[jocko]

actually whgat GB6491 stated is correct. U can cycle the kahrs about a 1/4" and get that striker out of the way. It is basically enertia that moves the striker ouyt of the way but also the kahr cocking cam grabs it in the last 1/4" of traveltokeep the striker from protruding. Some striker fired guns also. have a spring in front of the striker to moves the strker back PERIOD I would advise following GB remarks, break the slide down, give a good cleaning look over the parts to se eif there is damage etc. If it persists, then I would give kahr a call and have them pick up the gun on their dime. U could have issue sin the cocking cam area that one cannot see, and that also is an area IMO that one shouldlet kahr mess with it. jSome one here just mentioned tha the has a cocking cam spring that he thinks is broken, and in that case nothing willhold back that striker.

clean the slide internals first..

[OldLincoln]

Okay, I tried it the first time before my post and the striker behaved as I described. This time I looked at the last quarter inch closer and see it. It's not happened to me, ever, so I couldn't perceptualize it. But then I've polished the striker assembly and smoothed the striker channel, so no effective drag.

[jocko]

PERCEPTUALIZE???? Stop that crapola Old lincoln. Just sayhin

[Tinman507]

Perceptualization is an effective strategery

[OldLincoln]

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[hardluk1]

May be you need to take your slide apart to see what you might have messed up and broke or lost or,or,

[beerbeer95648]

I think cobrasjp has it right. Spoke to Kahr today for s**** and giggles. They said the same thing. They said double rack the slide before loading. Otherwise, this can happen.

[gb6491]

I think cobrasjp has it right. Spoke to Kahr today for s**** and giggles. They said the same thing. They said double rack the slide before loading. Otherwise, this can happen.
I, too, think cobrasjp's suggestion sage advice.
That said, none of my striker fired guns (two Kahrs, a Glock, and an XDS) has a striker, that if protruding from the breech face, will prevent a round from feeding properly. All have strikers with tips profiled in such a way that rounds sliding up the breech face simply push the striker into the slide.
Regards,
Greg

[beerbeer95648]

I would feel better if the round would push the striker back into the slide in this scenario. However, I dont like my chances when it comes to convincing Kahr that this is an issue. I plan on measuring the striker protrusion when I get home tonight. I dont have a lot of enthusiasm for dealing with Kahr (not Kahrs fault) due to the fact that I have been fighting with 2 other firearm companies over hammer follow issues and a malfunctioning drop safety. It gets old buying a gun, then having to wait weeks to months because of an issue out of the factory. I am really hoping this one is a non-issue.

[gb6491]

I would feel better if the round would push the striker back into the slide in this scenario. However, I dont like my chances when it comes to convincing Kahr that this is an issue. I plan on measuring the striker protrusion when I get home tonight. I dont have a lot of enthusiasm for dealing with Kahr (not Kahrs fault) due to the fact that I have been fighting with 2 other firearm companies over hammer follow issues and a malfunctioning drop safety. It gets old buying a gun, then having to wait weeks to months because of an issue out of the factory. I am really hoping this one is a non-issue.
I hear ya. I received a call from S&W yesterday about a Model 36 that's been in their hands for over 5 weeks this time (second trip back for the same problem). CS rep said the gunsmith can't get the barrel off to fix the excessive barrel/gap and that they could either send it back unrepaired or sell me a new model 60 (my 36 has a 3" barrel) for $540:mad:. I'm not in the mood to be purchasing one of their lockable revolvers.
Regards,
Greg

[beerbeer95648]

I have a 1911 from a big name that was returned three times, and is now waiting for a frame replacement (going on 3 months now).

This CW9 is actually a replacement for my wife's 1980 pinned barrel smith model 37 with 3 inch barrel. I just got it back from S&W after having three cylinders re-timed and the dry lube cleaned out of it. Previous owner used it as a sock drawer gun. Hopefully this CW9 proves itself as a good replacement for her.