Time for CM9? bad exp with P380

[taseal]

I had a P380 about a year ago, and you can look at my previous posts here...

I had nothing but problems with it, and then ended up selling it to have someone else try fixing it and dealing with all the warranty issues.

At that point I got myself a Keltec PF9 and been pretty happy with it. with an upgraded trigger it shoots pretty nice. but yesterday I had some problems with the sights and I think it's time I upgrade to the next tier in quality.

I need something just as small as it's my pocket carry gun.

I really wanna have a look at the CM9, but I'm afraid I'm going to run into the same issues with the P380. I had every problem you can think of. I had light primer strikes, failure to go into full battery (stopped just short), FTEs, FTFs... Couldn't get 50 rounds through it without problems. it was HORRIBLE at first, then I did the reccomended 200 break in, plus more. it helped, but it was a pistol that gave me at least one jam in a box of ammo... not what I wanted to carry...

I heard from others on other forums that the CM9 doesn't live the same faith as the P380 and work much better....

so here I am asking on this forum on some honest responses... am I going to have the same problems? do I give kahr another chance and spend my well earned money on a what I would call (in my experience) a lottery pistol?

Please help me out. shoudl I go look at a LCR instead?

[JFootin]

Well, CM9s have been flying out the door as fast as Kahr can make them, and there have been very, very few problems reported with them. The gun is a real winner! It might help you to understand that the CM9 is a PM9 with some cosmetic changes so Kahr can offer it at a great price. But the internals are the same, and the PM9 got past any design issues many years ago. Kahr seems to be keeping the quality and workmanship up on the CM9s, and it has had a very successful release. This being the Kahr forum, you will see a problem or 2 reported. But just look at the tons of very positive reports here for the CM9! I love mine! And it keeps getting smoother and sweeter with more rounds thru it. An incredible gun! :D

[stuch77]

good gun but if i were you spend a couple hundred more and get the new sig p938. great reviews on that pocket 9mm. and alot better quality then the kahr.

[Bawanna]

I believe most of the issues with the 380 are cured. We've heard of much fewer issues with the CM9.

I'd give it a try myself although I consider it about 12 tiers above a Kel Tec.

Really not a gamble at all. Kahr backs it, if you have an issue they'll fix it or make it right. Your not playing roulette in Vegas.

[taseal]

good gun but if i were you spend a couple hundred more and get the new sig p938. great reviews on that pocket 9mm. and alot better quality then the kahr.

I would too, but they are too heavy. the PF9 already sags my pockets sometimes. a P938 will be even worse

[jocko]

good gun but if i were you spend a couple hundred more and get the new sig p938. great reviews on that pocket 9mm. and alot better quality then the kahr.

don't u peddle ur kahr and get a sign P938. U have been vbery unhappy here with your kahr, it is very evident IMO. why keep it, peddle it and move onto what pleass u.

Kahrs are not for every one, they also can't please some either, no matter what. I have no issues with any person who is unhappy with the product he bought be it a kgun, car, tv or condoms. If they don't do what u want, peddle them and get something else.

But when one constantly b!tches abourt the kahr products as if we can do a damn thing about it, makes no fokking sense to me. I have no problems with a person who has issues either. sometimes we can help him on this forum IF he wants help. Sometimes for me anyways this sh!t just gets very old to. Just sayin.

[stuch77]

don't u peddle ur kahr and get a sign P938. U have been vbery unhappy here with your kahr, it is very evident IMO. why keep it, peddle it and move onto what pleass u.

Kahrs are not for every one, they also can't please some either, no matter what. I have no issues with any person who is unhappy with the product he bought be it a kgun, car, tv or condoms. If they don't do what u want, peddle them and get something else.

But when one constantly b!tches abourt the kahr products as if we can do a damn thing about it, makes no fokking sense to me. I have no problems with a person who has issues either. sometimes we can help him on this forum IF he wants help. Sometimes for me anyways this sh!t just gets very old to. Just sayin.

hey pal don't get personal with me. i gave my opinion to the op. so why do you have to jump on me and derail his thread to rag on me.

not only that a can't undersand your writing in your posts.

[stuch77]

op look into the berretta nano also i have one with 700 trouble free rds thru it.

[stuch77]

I would too, but they are too heavy. the PF9 already sags my pockets sometimes. a P938 will be even worse

16OZ unloaded is far from heavy. the cm9 is 15.9oz unloaded. the kel tec pf9 is the lightest your going to get at 12.7oz unloaded.

[taseal]

16OZ unloaded is far from heavy. the cm9 is 15.9oz unloaded. the kel tec pf9 is the lightest your going to get at 12.7oz unloaded.

I believe cm9 is 14. the pf9 is 13.2 (I just weighed it) it's 18.8 loaded with 7 rounds

FWIW, the P238 unloaded is 13.4 oz. loaded 17.1 (7 rounds)


I just looked at the prices and it's out of my budget. I can only do like 500. the p938 is fricking 700 bucks :cry:

[stuch77]

I believe cm9 is 14. the pf9 is 13.2 (I just weighed it) it's 18.8 loaded with 7 rounds

FWIW, the P238 unloaded is 13.4 oz. loaded 17.1 (7 rounds)


I just looked at the prices and it's out of my budget. I can only do like 500. the p938 is fricking 700 bucks :cry:

i got the weights off of the respected web sites. the p938 can be had for $645 buds guns. but there outta stock.

[jocko]

apples and oranges. One is a 380 and theother two are 9's.

[hardluk1]

I have cm9 and a cw9 i bought used. The cm9 does make a good pocket pistol and mine replaced a pf-9. Way easier to control over the kt. I was wanting a 380 for that once in a while use but with both the on going issues and the price of the kahr p380 I ended up buying a taurus 738fs model The FS is a oxid finish on steel ,not one of the ss black finish's. They come with one mag for LGS price of 185 dollars . Other 738's are 260 LGs price with several mags and a little belt bag. Great little pistol that seems to shoot anything . Weight is 10.2 oz empty. Nice smooth 5lb DA type trigger pull. Even has a last round hold open with the slide. Now I like my two 9mm kahrs but for a 380 the taurus 728 tcp series are great little pistols.

[taseal]

i got the weights off of the respected web sites. the p938 can be had for $645 buds guns. but there outta stock.

Yeah, I wish I could weigh one. they always seem to be different. it's always best when you weigh them yourself with the same scale ya know? my pf9 is apparently .5 overweight lol.

645 is still little out of budget. 550 is max unforuntetly. I could sell the PF9 and get that one, but I'd hate to part with it. it's not the prettiest, but very reliable (so far)


apples and oranges. One is a 380 and theother two are 9's.

I can't stand comments like these. that term is used way too much

I'm comparing 2 pistols made by the same manufacturer, using the same principles and design and asking about quality, durability and reliability.

and comes a metaphor about comparing an apple and an orange.

it's the same effin pistol shooting 2 different calibers. after that, they are pretty much the same besides the obvious weight and size differences...

maybe green apple and red apple needs to be used more often.

[les strat]

The CM9 is a great weapon. Perfect for EDC IMO. Mine runs 100%, no issues at all.

The LCR, 642/442, etc, are also a great option, hide well, and are dead reliable, but most people cannot achieve accuracy with a barrel less than 2". The inherent accuracy of the CM9 is leagues beyond a snubbie. I own both, but the CM9 gets carried most.

[taseal]

I have cm9 and a cw9 i bought used. The cm9 does make a good pocket pistol and mine replaced a pf-9. Way easier to control over the kt. I was wanting a 380 for that once in a while use but with both the on going issues and the price of the kahr p380 I ended up buying a taurus 738fs model The FS is a oxid finish on steel ,not one of the ss black finish's. They come with one mag for LGS price of 185 dollars . Other 738's are 260 LGs price with several mags and a little belt bag. Great little pistol that seems to shoot anything . Weight is 10.2 oz empty. Nice smooth 5lb DA type trigger pull. Even has a last round hold open with the slide. Now I like my two 9mm kahrs but for a 380 the taurus 728 tcp series are great little pistols.

That sure is a good price for a .380 that's not bare pistol with 0 features.

I already have a 380 though (p238) that my woman carries.

[jdavis]

If you are leary of the Kahr CM9/PM9 due to your past experience with your P380, add the S&W Shield to your list of possibles. I would personally rather have a CM9/PM9 but, I can understand your apprehension.

[les strat]

I can't stand comments like these. that term is used way too much

I'm comparing 2 pistols made by the same manufacturer, using the same principles and design and asking about quality, durability and reliability.

and comes a metaphor about comparing an apple and an orange.

it's the same effin pistol shooting 2 different calibers. after that, they are pretty much the same besides the obvious weight and size differences...



:rolleyes: Nowhere near the same gun. A 9mm has to be more overbuilt than a .380 for a round that is ~2x as powerful. You don't want a 9mm that weighs any less than a CM9, LC9, etc.... they are punishing. The weight of the CM9 is pretty good considering they have a quailty metal trigger instead of some rough-cut plastic POS.

I suggest you go to a LGS and do a side-by-side comparison of the weapons you are interested in.

[mbaza3]

I have had two P380's. The first one was a nightmare similar to your experience and I ended up selling it. I felt like giving the P380 another shot since I feel it is a superior pistol compared to the Keltec 3AT or Ruger LCP. I ended up finding a nice used one already broken in and about 500 rounds later I could not be happier with it.

In regards to the CM9, I have a PM9 and it has been flawless through about 1000 rounds. I think the overall opinion on this forum and others is the CM9 and PM9 seem to be more reliable shelf than the P380.

[jocko]

have to agree with les strat. It is green apples and yellow oranges. P380 is a nice gun, I would trust my PM9 any day over anyt P380,round for round, certainly knock downpoower is not even debateable. If u gotta have small then go 380, but I have pocket carried my PM9 for over 5 years, works great for me. My P380 NOW seems to be working good, Would I tru7st it lik,e I do my 2 PM9's NO.

I do think har has gotten the bugs out of the P380 compared to ayear ago. Just sayin.

My hat is off to MBAZA to for giviing the P380 another try to. takes guts IMO.

[wyntrout]

My P380's were not without problems, but I figured out the problems and let Kahr fix them. I love MY P380 as much as all of its 5 siblings.

I ordered my first P380 to replace my stainless Walther TPH because I wanted centerfire reliability as well as more powerful rounds. My loaded P380 weighs less than the TPH and has a lot more firepower with Buffalo Bore +P Gold Dots...6+1+7.

That said, my usual EDC is my PM9... and for a change my P40 or PM45... IWB!

The CM9 would be a good pistol... with prices as low as $349.99 that I've seen in Shooters here in Jacksonville, FL.

Wynn:)

[taseal]

have to agree with les strat. It is green apples and yellow oranges. P380 is a nice gun, I would trust my PM9 any day over anyt P380,round for round, certainly knock downpoower is not even debateable. If u gotta have small then go 380, but I have pocket carried my PM9 for over 5 years, works great for me. My P380 NOW seems to be working good, Would I tru7st it lik,e I do my 2 PM9's NO.

I do think har has gotten the bugs out of the P380 compared to ayear ago. Just sayin.

My hat is off to MBAZA to for giviing the P380 another try to. takes guts IMO.

How do you agree with him, yet you fully answered my question? lol...

I'm not talking about ballistics of a P380. I couldn't trust my life to it, because it was a gun that couldn't shoot a box of ammo after 500 rounds.

[jocko]

taseal: it was ur gun that u couldnt trust, there are many P380's that have never given one issue, so when one of those people say they trust it, they are basing it on their performance and no one elses. I know people who do not trust the PM or cm( due to their having issues. Most do not, so it could be green apples and yellow oranges. .

I have always said and I still stand by my statement, ANYGUN that doesnot own up to ones expecatations. PEDDLE THE FOKKER an d move on

[taseal]

:rolleyes: Nowhere near the same gun. A 9mm has to be more overbuilt than a .380 for a round that is ~2x as powerful. You don't want a 9mm that weighs any less than a CM9, LC9, etc.... they are punishing. The weight of the CM9 is pretty good considering they have a quailty metal trigger instead of some rough-cut plastic POS.

I suggest you go to a LGS and do a side-by-side comparison of the weapons you are interested in.

Thanks, but I don't think you understand my post. you are now comparing the overbuilding of a pistol to handle a hotter round.

and here I am talking about reliability of the CM9 based on experience. imo the P380 didn't have 'underbuilt' issues, but quality and fit issues that made mine unreliable.

and I'm not sure if you are referring the P380 with a rough cut plastic pos trigger? or my PF9? (which actually has a aftermarket metal trigger)

if you don't consider the P380 as a similar pistol (in principal of mechanics and how it works) we are on a different page I suppose, I will respect your opinion though.

[taseal]

taseal: it was ur gun that u couldnttrust, there aremany PO3809 trhgat havenever given one issue, so when one of those people say they trust it, they are basing it on their performance and no one elses. I know people who dohot trust the PM or cm( due to thier having issues. Most do not, so it could be green apples and yellow oranges. .

I have always said and I still stand b y my statement, ANYGUN

Right, I only had one kahr, so I had to make my assumption based on that one pistol.

I know this guy who 'saw' a M&P stop working. because of this, he calls them a POS and will never own that crappy thing.

and here I am with 3 M&Ps with combined rounds of over 5,000.

This is why I came here to post about other people's experiences besides what I read. for example I see that the CM9 happens to loose the guide rod spring nut fairly often. many people have rounds that try to dive in...

I see many people are happy with their CM9s, and some even here admitted their P380s weren't reliable and some otherseven gave it another try.

anyways, I'm gonng get back on topic now, thanks for your input bud :yo:

[jocko]

all kahrs have steel triggers, never seen one with plastic. All my kel tecks had plastic triggers. actually I broke two of them on my 380 kel teks..

[muggsy]

I had a P380 about a year ago, and you can look at my previous posts here...

I had nothing but problems with it, and then ended up selling it to have someone else try fixing it and dealing with all the warranty issues.

At that point I got myself a Keltec PF9 and been pretty happy with it. with an upgraded trigger it shoots pretty nice. but yesterday I had some problems with the sights and I think it's time I upgrade to the next tier in quality.

I need something just as small as it's my pocket carry gun.

I really wanna have a look at the CM9, but I'm afraid I'm going to run into the same issues with the P380. I had every problem you can think of. I had light primer strikes, failure to go into full battery (stopped just short), FTEs, FTFs... Couldn't get 50 rounds through it without problems. it was HORRIBLE at first, then I did the reccomended 200 break in, plus more. it helped, but it was a pistol that gave me at least one jam in a box of ammo... not what I wanted to carry...

I heard from others on other forums that the CM9 doesn't live the same faith as the P380 and work much better....

so here I am asking on this forum on some honest responses... am I going to have the same problems? do I give kahr another chance and spend my well earned money on a what I would call (in my experience) a lottery pistol?

Please help me out. shoudl I go look at a LCR instead?

Taseal, I own and carry a CM9 and P380. Both have been flawless since the going through break in period. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another, or to recommend them to anyone. If you are looking for a high quality, light weight, and easily concealable pistol you can't buy better than Kahr.

[JFootin]

I have cm9 and a cw9 i bought used. The cm9 does make a good pocket pistol and mine replaced a pf-9. Way easier to control over the kt. I was wanting a 380 for that once in a while use but with both the on going issues and the price of the kahr p380 I ended up buying a taurus 738fs model The FS is a oxid finish on steel ,not one of the ss black finish's. They come with one mag for LGS price of 185 dollars . Other 738's are 260 LGs price with several mags and a little belt bag. Great little pistol that seems to shoot anything . Weight is 10.2 oz empty. Nice smooth 5lb DA type trigger pull. Even has a last round hold open with the slide. Now I like my two 9mm kahrs but for a 380 the taurus 738 tcp series are great little pistols.

I got the same model, paid a few more $$$ for it at Bud's (:(). Shopped around and bought 2 more of the high quality mags at a good price. Took it out of the box, examined it, it looked clean of any goo, so I loaded it and shot 3 mags full of FMJs. Was getting a few FTFs (probably limp wristing it a bit; these 380s kick like a mule!). Took it to my gunsmith. He polished the ramp, cleaned it, lubed it and test fired it - all for just $30! (I love this guy! :)) He commented on what a good trigger it has. He is the smith who got the trigger on my S&W 638 down to an incredible 4.25 lb with positive primer strikes, so that is quite a compliment to the TCP!

I have grown to love this gun! It kicks, but is still comfortable to shoot. I use Hornady CD ammo in it with perfect functioning. Points and shoots very well at SD distances, which is good because the tiny, black integral sights are useless except maybe in bright sunlight. The slide hold open on last round is very important to me. The P3AT doesn't even have a lever, and the TCP surprisingly has one but it doesn't lock back on last round. The trigger on the TCP is much nicer than either of those guns. A friend who had an LCP says his TCP is much more pleasant to shoot, with somewhat milder felt recoil. The slide stop lever is ingenious; very small and sticks out just 1/8" from the slide, yet functions easily. (IMO, the one on the P380 is enormous on such a compact gun; Kahr should think about a new design instead of trying to make it look and feel the same as on their bigger guns.) I am very pleased with my modest investment in the TCP. It perfectly fulfills my need for a thin, pocketable 380.

[les strat]

Thanks, but I don't think you understand my post. you are now comparing the overbuilding of a pistol to handle a hotter round.

and here I am talking about reliability of the CM9 based on experience. imo the P380 didn't have 'underbuilt' issues, but quality and fit issues that made mine unreliable.

and I'm not sure if you are referring the P380 with a rough cut plastic pos trigger? or my PF9? (which actually has a aftermarket metal trigger)

if you don't consider the P380 as a similar pistol (in principal of mechanics and how it works) we are on a different page I suppose, I will respect your opinion though.

To clear the confusion, I was referring to your comment:

"I'm comparing 2 pistols made by the same manufacturer, using the same principles and design and asking about quality, durability and reliability.

and comes a metaphor about comparing an apple and an orange.

it's the same effin pistol shooting 2 different calibers. after that, they are pretty much the same besides the obvious weight and size differences..."

I took it you were talking about Kahr's 380 and 9mm's, so I mentioned that, of course, the 9mm's have to be larger, heavier, overbuilt, etc, since they are 2x as powerful. They are very different guns because size affects tolerances, which can then affect reliability, break-in, accuracy, and so on. It sets them apart as jocko mentioned.

The earlier posts seemed like the weight of a CM9 was the issue compared to other guns, and I was stating, yes there are lighter 9mm pocket-sized pistols, but most of them have cheaper plasticky parts, such as the trigger. Plus they are usually not fun to shoot at all. Yes, Keltecs come to mind. I'd rather shoot my S&W 629 .44mag with hot rounds any day.

At the end of the day, my opinion is the Kahr CM9/PM9 is really hard to beat for size, weight, reliability, and concealability. I don't like a weapon I can't trust and will rid of any I feel unsure of in a heartbeat. I promise you, if I had an ounce of doubt with the CM9, it would not be in my pocket at this moment. :)

[jocko]

how many times have we readon this forum where an owner had issues with his kahr (what ever model even) and sold it or traded it off due to being unhappy with ti BUT then later on comes back and buys another one just like it. I kinda give that person alot of credit for acknowledging that kahrs are damn good well made guns but he jsuyt got a lemon, so back he comes and buys another kahr and reports all is well.

We are gonna get some lemons in every damn product made, it is the nature of the beast, be it a car, truck, gun, Refrig, etc...I think the P380 is the best 380 ever made WHEN IT WORKS RIGHT. It is so pleasant over most all other small ass 380's. I think the bugs are about allg one with the P380 also, but we arestill lving down that bad rep the gun got when it wasintroduced and IMO wqasa a real hunk of crap for alot of owners, frustrating to say the least.

I feelmost karhs thatu see used in a gun shop are traded in not because of issue but more so becase the owner just could never adapt to kahrs loooooong but so so smooth trigger system. Some never really master it, I consider myself one of them,but for me it is the best damn 9 I have ever stuck in my front pocket. Just sayn

[JimC]

To the OP, save your pennies and buy a PM9 instead of the CM9.
I think you will have fewer problems with the PM9.

:behindsofa:

[JimC]

hey pal don't get personal with me. i gave my opinion to the op. so why do you have to jump on me and derail his thread to rag on me.

not only that a can't undersand your writing in your posts.

Don't read his posts, I gave up a long time ago. ;)

[les strat]

To the OP, save your pennies and buy a PM9 instead of the CM9.
I think you will have fewer problems with the PM9.

:behindsofa:

Considering the internal parts are definitley the same on these two, most would disagree.

[jocko]

no reason what so ever the cm9 should not perform like the PM9. Actually they cm models have done very well since coming on board to. Although I think the bugs were worked out on when the PM series was made so another reason why the cm should have been better out of the box than the first models of PM series. Just sayn

[JimC]

Disagree if you will but I like my PM9 and wouldn't trade it for a CM9 any day of the week! ;)

Besides, I wanted an all black pistol and the CM9 doesn't come that way.

[Tinman507]

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[jjones]

I did a lot of research before buying my CM9. Some had problems, most did not. I could not be happier with my purchase. This gun is light enough to carry all day, stout enough to get the job done, and extremely accurate to boot. I'm not sorry and i don't think you will be either. PS...IMO Kel-Tec isn't in the same league. Good luck with your decision>>>>>>

[JimC]

so how does your last two post help the op make a decision on what gun to buy?

I gave my recommendation to the OP in my first reply.

I wrote...save your pennies and buy a PM9 instead of the CMP.

If the OP were to read the many posts here about both, I think he/she will find more reported probelms with the CM9 than with the PM9.

[Tinman507]

[QUOTE=Tinman507


Comon man you didn't like the pictures i put up for ya?

Not particularly. Or perhaps it was that I didn't understand the context?

[Bawanna]

We're done here.