Crimson Trace for PM9

[jkalantzis]

I know some of you must have added the Crimson Trace Laser grip to your PM9. I am looking for any and all feedback that you can offer. I do not have night sights on my gun so I was either going to send it off to Kahr and add them or purchase the CT. I would imagine that in a close quarters situation I wouldn't have time to line up my sights but the laser might be just a little more effective. Ditreich, Wynntrout, Vinikahr, Jocko please advise. Would I just be wasting my money on the CT or should I just add nights sights, ooorrrrr do I just get a PM40 with n/s and a black diamond slide and add a ct?:D

[wyntrout]

How about a K40 DLC with night sights and add the CT grips. I would get a 45 like that if they made one, but the 40 is close, just not for me. I don't need another caliber. That's going to be about 11-12 ounces heavier in steel, but beautiful.
I may eventually add the CT grips to my K9, but aesthetically, the CT LS on the PM's doesn't appeal to me. I don't like anything that changes the look of the Kahrs. That's just me, though. I like night sights.
The CT for the PMs is that add-on thingie in front of the trigger guard and goes from the front to the grip with a pressure switch in that part on the grip.
The all metal guns get CT Laser Grips with the laser at the top of the right grip and will fit in most regular holsters... and looks neater. JMHO.
Wynn

[Vinikahr]

I am with Wynn, Do no like anything that change the integrity of my firearms, Night sights for me. Or paint them that is.

[wyntrout]

jkalantzis, I don't know why no one has stepped up to advise you about the pro's of CTs. There seems to be a lot of guys and gals with CTs on their PMs. I can't get past the looks, but in a gunfight the ability to target with that dot and fire without having to aim so much could be a lifesaver. I don't want you to get only the "anti" opinions.
I'm considering the grip-version for my K9 whose night lights are getting to be "dims" and not much help, especially for acquisition. But that version is only for the metal-framed guns.
Wynn:)

[deadhead1971]

I can't get past the looks

Looks good to me :yo:

I have been swamped and have not had time to test fire with the CT yet. I'll post when I do.

[wyntrout]

See? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me that is less than pretty with all of the appurtenances hanging off it. If I couldn't hold on to the gun, I still couldn't put that little finger-thingie on it.:confused:
That's just my opinion for sure... and it's free. I was hoping a proponent would come along, because I don't want the opinions offered here to be one-sided. I was defending both sides! I try to be fair.:rolleyes: It ain't like I said it was ugly!:D I don't even like the magazines with the extended grips -- I'll use them as spare carries because the plastic bases don't rub my skin like the "flush-fitting" bases, which are much better for CCW.
Wynn:)

[deadhead1971]

See? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me that is less than pretty with all of the appurtenances hanging off it.


if you wanna talk ugly, if you wanna talk being hit with an ugly stick, then get a load of this KAHR - Kahr by ArmaLaser Inc. (http://www.armalaser.com/Kahr-KAHR.html)

[jkalantzis]

Well I wish I had some more responses from all the Seniors. Wynn thank you again. I think I'm just going to put it on and if I don't like it then oh well, I take it off.

[wyntrout]

You're welcome and I checked out the Arma Laser or whatever... and all of the views. That thing is huge and ugly -- the laser sight.
And about the "Senior"... I joined back in September and di virtually nothing here... until, I got my PM9. Then I became a real bucket mouth and "bomb-thrower"... dang! but I want a smilie or avatar of the old bowling ball-like bomb with a burning fuze! :D
Wynn:D

[jkalantzis]

I agree it makes the CT look amazingly good looking!:eek:

[wyntrout]

It... is... cheaper. But what's next... hanging a tac light off the bottom of the laser... or maybe a "holo" sight?:confused:
Imagine the holster for that!:eek: Oh, and don't forget that little bayonet-thingie for pistols... gotta be prepared for everything in CQCombat!:rolleyes:
Wynn:D

[johnh]

My gunsmith has one on his and loves it. Holster makers support them. I know Crossbreed does the SuperTuck for it. I have handled the pistol with it mounted but not fired it. If my smith is happy that is a powerful endorsement as I have never seen him use a laser before in many years of shooting.

John

[wyntrout]

Ten years or so ago, I had one of those trigger-guard mounted lasers on my S&W 639, trying it out. I was at my step-father-in-law's house in Colorado when I was trying the laser out. I was embarrassed when we happened on a snake and I couldn't hit it from about 2 ft using the laser -- terrible parallax error at close range. I finally just about put the muzzle to his head to finish him off since I figure he was a tad injured from a couple of close muzzle blasts.
If you don't have a steady aim, everyone can see the wobble of the sight on the target. It ain't like the movies where the laser dots are perfectly still, as if the sight were tripod-mounted.
Anyhow, I took the sight off the gun, and I've played with it now and then, but the best use I got from it was playing with my dog. Dogs and cats can really see the dot and chase it like crazy.
I once put the sight on a camera tripod with a bubble level and was trying to figure the height of my lot compared to the one down at the water's edge. That kind of worked. I get GPS readings or Google Earth elevations of 15 to 20 feet above sea level. I've seen waves coming over the sea wall down there and figure we're okay until the water gets over about 17 feet higher than high tide. Then we have the second story. I don't have to pay for flood insurance and I'm sure that we won't need it, unlike a lot of those people with the 100-year and 500-year floods happening SEVERAL times in recent years!
If you don't mind the looks, the CT can really be a life-saver in a close encounter of the violent kind. The bullet should go where the dot is!
Wynn:)

[deadhead1971]

Interesting laser application there...if all goes well, I will get to try out the CT with the PM9 tomorrow at an indoor range. I will report back with target photos first of next week.

[wyntrout]

I had one "art" class in college -- Math major with waiver for minor in Arabic. One thing I remember is about simplicity in form and function being beautiful. The look, feel, and function of Kahrs are great and the K-series to me, is just perfection, and I don't want anything changing its look.
Other guns are just a little off -- blocky or "ugly" in some way -- not all, of course. I just can't afford too many guns... or justify to the major bread-winner having many more than I do.:rolleyes:
I think that a K45 DLC with night sights would be real perfection! I wonder if Kahr will ever make one. They had better hurry, 'cause I ain't getting any younger.:D
Dang! Another beautiful day in Florida (~54° - cool, windy, and sunny.) Here I sit :typing: with a nice view, waiting to hear something on my PM45. It sure is frustrating.:mad:
Wynn:)

[Vinikahr]

wyntrout;13347]I had one "art" class in college -- Math major with waiver for minor in Arabic. One thing I remember is about simplicity in form and function being beautiful. The look, feel, and function of Kahrs are great and the K-series to me, is just perfection, and I don't want anything changing its look.It seems Wynn you are enamorade with the Glcok concept, simplicity and perfection, but they lack of very deep concealment. Hence, Kahrs has pick up where Glock has refuse to innovate. That same mentality was express by Ruger founder until he die. Glock refuses to gives up what we want then we take refuge at other gun makers.


Other guns are just a little off -- blocky or "ugly" in some way -- not all, of course. I just can't afford too many guns... or justify to the major bread-winner having many more than I do.:rolleyes:Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I own guns that are either ugly or beautiful, but I like them becuase they have a place, a time and use of course. I have many guns and the way I build my collections was one gun a time put them in layaway and slowly but surely I have about 25 firearms.


I think that a K45 DLC with night sights would be real perfection! I wonder if Kahr will ever make one. They had better hurry, 'cause I ain't getting any younger.:DSame thing I am thinking about other guns makers.



Dang! Another beautiful day in Florida (~54° - cool, windy, and sunny.) Here I sit :typing: with a nice view, waiting to hear something on my PM45. It sure is frustrating.:mad:
Wynn:)Patient my friend patient, good things come to those that wait!

[wyntrout]

It seems Wynn you are enamorade with the Glcok concept, simplicity and perfection, but they lack of very deep concealment. Hence, Kahrs has pick up where Glock has refuse to innovate. That same mentality was express by Ruger founder until he die. Glock refuses to gives up what we want then we take refuge at other gun makers.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I own guns that are either ugly or beautiful, but I like them becuase they have a place, a time and use of course. I have many guns and the way I build my collections was one gun a time put them in layaway and slowly but surely I have about 25 firearms.
Same thing I am thinking about other guns makers.

Patient my friend patient, good things come to those that wait!

Boy! That just brings to mind the cartoon picture of two vultures sitting in a tree -- "Patient, hell. I want to kill something!"

I know that I've owned over a hundred firearms of various kinds, but I've always sold them when I didn't use or need them, so I could get something else.
My baby brother is a corrections officer out on the "Left Coast" and is just a month or so from retirement. He can't wait to get away from Ahnold's Kalifornia, where he's now getting over a thousand bucks less a month "take-home" pay due to furloughs and such. He has every gun that he's ever gotten, and even he has no idea how many.
I'm starting to acquire enough now with the 2 Kahrs I don't have in my anxious little hands, yet!
I'm going to post a Tazer "Tale" in the General Discussion Forum -- just got it and it's hilarious!
Wynn:D

[Cocobolo]

This is what you can do with the CT laser on your PM9

[wyntrout]

Nice shooting and that's great, but to me that looks like something off the Scy Fy Channel (does anyone else hate that switch from Sci Fi... it looks something like syphilis to me or syphy -- yech!). Not that that's a bad thing, but I hate to see a beautiful Kahr's clean lines and beauty burdened with clunky add-ons. Hey, I know its purpose and all, but the aesthetics are ruined to me. It's just personal preference, I'm not knocking your gun and CT combo. It works well and can be a life saver, I know. I can't even stand those Pierce grips or anything added to the grips.
Wynn:D

[Vinikahr]

This is what you can do with the CT laser on your PM9

This is what I can do without the laser, Imagine if I had one of those!:eek:

[wyntrout]

I don't think that a laser would help me. It still takes proper trigger technique along with aiming. I wind up with a figure-eight wobble, I think, and I start pulling the trigger as the gun starts to bear on the target... in rapid or non-slow fire. Still the preponderance of my hits are in the 7 to 8 o'clock are at 3 to 4 inches away from the "POA". Then they are in a fist-sized group for the most part. I can kind of compensate by aiming at the silhouette's upper right earlobe and hit him in the face.:D
If it were easy to move the sights, I would experiment. That's why I used to like nothing but adjustable sights. My most accurate guns were the the S&W revolvers 66 and 629, with Ruger's Security Six being close. I liked 6" barrels and shooting those from a rest at 25 or 50 yards, hitting soda cans bottoms facing me. I don't remember how accurate the Ruger .22 bull-barreled auto was. I once got a call to the orderly room at Dyess AFB in Abilene, Texas, for a call from Interpol saying that someone had tried to carry that through a London airport. I just told them that I had sold it at a gun show. I didn't have the guy's name. It's hard to buy a gun that I want like that anymore -- totally off the books.
See how I wander and go off on tangents?:blah::typing:
Wynn:D

[OldLincoln]

To bad they don't make the LaserMax for Kahr. Then you could have both form AND function!

[Fishesman]

I just bought a Smith 340PD a few weeks ago with CT grips installed. I had never warmed to the idea of a laser sight and didn't plan to keep them on the gun. I always thought of them as gimmicky. After trying them I'm hooked. I can't wait to get them on my PM40. Super fast target acquisition and I can do it from any angle without lining up the sights. Someone said they affect the integrity of the gun? I'm not sure what you mean by that. The iron sights are still there if the laser doesn't work and the laser in no way impedes the function of the gun. As far as looks go I agree that the laser is a bit ugly, but in functionality its beautiful. I see it as a huge advantage on a defense gun. Get over "looks."

[Alfonse]

I sure shoot better with the CT sight. I can still hit the target, albeit more slowly with a larger frame pistol. But, the CT on my PM9 makes me faster and more accurate. That's a thing of beauty for me.

Of course, I don't see as well as I used to. I think that's the thing I miss most about being younger....