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muggsy
08-25-2012, 03:34 PM
Anti-Gun Lawmakers Push Ammunition Sales Ban

Posted on August 3, 2012

On Monday, July 30, U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) and U.S. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) introduced legislation that would impose sweeping new--and not so new--restrictions on ammunition sales.

The bills, S. 3458 and H.R. 6241, are known as the “Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act.” The bill itself has four elements:


A federal licensing requirement for ammunition sellers;
Recordkeeping on all ammunition sales;
Reporting of all sales of more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition to anyone without a federal firearms license within five consecutive business days; and
A photo identification requirement for all non-licensees buying ammunition, “effectively banning the online or mail order purchase of ammo by regular civilians.”
The two lawmakers’ contempt for “regular civilians” is nothing new, and neither are the first two of the requirements they propose. Starting in 1968, ammunition dealers had to have licenses from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and also had to keep records of purchasers. The recordkeeping requirement on .22 caliber rimfire ammunition was so burdensome that it was repealed in 1982. Congress did away with the remaining licensing and recordkeeping provisions as part of the "Firearms Owners’ Protection Act of 1986" after the BATF itself said the restrictions had “no substantial law enforcement value.”

The proposed bill would turn back the clock to the days when ammunition was only available in person at licensed stores, driving up prices and making less popular cartridges nearly unobtainable for millions of lawful gun owners. The effect of all of these proposals on competitive shooters, who buy ammunition by the case lot for consistent accuracy and shoot tens of thousands of rounds each year in practice, would be especially devastating. And because the word “ammunition” is defined in federal law to include components such as bullets and empty cartridge cases, the bill would be disastrous for handloaders--especially those who enjoy shooting rare, historic cartridges.

In fact, Lautenberg and McCarthy would do well to heed the words of the Obama administration’s top negotiator at the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty conference, who pointed out to the nations of the world that “Ammunition is … fungible, consumable, reloadable, and cannot be marked in any practical way that would permit it to be tracked or traced. Any practical proposal for ammunition would need to consider the significant burdens associated with licensing, authorizations, and recordkeeping for ammunition that is produced and transferred in the billions of rounds per year.”

Please contact your U.S. Senators and your U.S. Representative and urge them to oppose S. 3458 and H.R. 6241 respectively. You can find contact information for your elected officials by using the "Write Your Representatives" tool at www.NRAILA.org., or you can call your U.S. Senators at (202) 224-3121 and your U.S. Representative at (202) 225-3121. Once you have taken this action, please be sure to forward this information to your family, friends, and fellow firearm owners, and strongly encourage them to contact their lawmakers as well.

CrabbyAzz
08-26-2012, 07:49 AM
I'm not seeing any problem here. No bans that I can see... How is asking for photo ID effectively banning online sales? Some ammo places require you send them a copy of your drivers license for years now. Are you implying that requiring photo ID's to purchase ammo tramples on our 2nd amendment rights. If so, then requiring ID for voting does the same.

I think your getting worked up over nothing here.

And by the way I do think the bills a joke and accomplishes nothing. Just a show for the voters.

Jeremiah/Az
08-26-2012, 10:31 PM
Some are wanting to ban internet sales.

gb6491
08-27-2012, 12:28 AM
I'm not seeing any problem here. No bans that I can see... How is asking for photo ID effectively banning online sales? Some ammo places require you send them a copy of your drivers license for years now. Are you implying that requiring photo ID's to purchase ammo tramples on our 2nd amendment rights. If so, then requiring ID for voting does the same.

I think your getting worked up over nothing here.

And by the way I do think the bills a joke and accomplishes nothing. Just a show for the voters.
H.R. 6241 and S3458 will establish a "Requirement for Face to Face Sales of and Licensing To Sell Ammunition" The short title of each:"Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act of 2012’."
Here's the text of each:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr6241/text
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s3458/text

CrabbyAzz
08-27-2012, 11:09 AM
H.R. 6241 and S3458 will establish a "Requirement for Face to Face Sales of and Licensing To Sell Ammunition" The short title of each:"Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act of 2012’."
Here's the text of each:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr6241/text
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s3458/text

I stand corrected, it does say face to face sales. However, it's a stupid bill that will go nowhere. Just a political dog and pony show for constituents. Like the 100's of silly house republican bills destined for the trash can.

ltxi
08-27-2012, 06:55 PM
Lautenberg doing his as always opportunistic anti-gun thing.

Longitude Zero
08-28-2012, 09:02 AM
Lautenberg doing his as always opportunistic anti-gun thing.

As usual. He is easily ignorable.

LorenzoB
08-30-2012, 12:55 AM
Crabby,
You say it is a stupid bill that will go nowhere, but a similar statewide bill already passed in California back in 2009... AB962. It required ammo to be behind the counter, required a thumbprint (face to face sale), photo ID, and a limit of 50 rounds per month. The information was to be given to law enforcement, and also kept by the store owner for 5 years.

It was to go into effect in Feb 1st, 2011, but got struck down at the last moment by a judge as being "unconstitutionally vague".

They will try again, and next time they will be "constitutionally less vague" when they write the bill, I'm sure.

AND, you know, just about all regulation in the country starts here in California (some good and some bad). So you think it isn't real? Think again! It is only a matter of time, unless you take it more serious and vote for people who will protect your 2A right.

I wasn't watching a "dog and pony" show out here when all this happened... it was the real deal.

chrish
08-30-2012, 12:10 PM
This is exactly what I've been saying in other threads. People need to spend LESS time w/ their tin foil hats on with regard to ammo purchase by the govt, what fema is doing, etc. And watch the legislation and take an active role instead of just saying 'bunk, they will never do that'. LorenzB just explained it, they HAVE done it in places. They will continue pushing the envelope everywhere possible and it'll start with ammo, 'scary' firearms, mag capacity, caliber. I'm not saying not to be diligent about what the govt is doing w/ the things I first mentioned, but the politicians are STILL more dangerous than the govt agencies w/ guns, ammo, and military equipment. Until the politicians move toward directing those people to do stuff, they will have to be successful w/ the ammo and gun restrictions. Keep your eyes open folks and your foil on leftovers...