Remora, didn't believe it, now I do ... I think

[chrish]

Never have been overly content w/ my CompTac Infidel. Good holster, relatively comfortable, did the job. It's what I've carried my P9 in for years. Tried a Silent Thunder, didn't work out cuz I asked for the moon and stars and it just wasn't possible (my fault, great holster, great company). PJ is still on the list, but I still have the need for carrying w/ shorts that have an integrated belt. The size of clips on typical IWB don't work for that AND for a leather belt w/ regulard pants. Wanted to avoid yet another holster in the drawer or having to have 2 of the same thing, one customized for shorts.

I also have a Sig P250 which has zilch out there for IWB other than some hybrid pancake deals (not for me). Only a couple of full Kydex (talk about thick w/ a P250).

I figured what the heck, might not work but the reviews are all good and why not give it a shot. I ordered 2 Remora's earlier this week. One 3C for the P9 and one 10 ART RFT for the P250C/TP9 (same size indicated for both). Turns out the TP9 fits the 3C better than the 10, it swims in the 10. Might actually try a 3B size (PM/CW) for the P9, it sits a little too deep for my taste and would rather have more underside of the trigger guard exposed to get my hand around the grip. The coverage on the trigger is great and the thin kydex actually covers the trigger area too, so great trigger protection.

Been wearing it around tonight (both Kahr and Sig at different times). So a few hours. And all I have to say is WOW, pleasantly suprised and once I try it out and about for a few days, this stands a STRONG possiblity to be my only carry holster going forward. I'm actually a little stunned by the comfort, retention, stay-putted-ness.

The retention, even on the RFT is suprisingly good. The softness makes it the most comfortable I've ever tried. No kydex poking me, no edges anywhere. It grips as advertised, no movement whatsoever. It's actually a challenge to even get it set IWB w/o yanking your shirt or pants around. Takes some patience and practice, but once I got it, it's pretty easy on/off now. I'm confident that after a couple weeks of use, it's be a grab-n-go w/o any trouble.

I like that I can put it anywhere (either side, small of my back, appendix), cant it any direction, go deeper or more shallow. It just stays there. The RFT makes reholstering a breeze, totally possible to go to the range and be comfortable drawing and reholstering w/o using two hands.

One other nice discovery. I can't actually tell much difference between carrying the P250 or the P9 w/ these. Yes, the P250 sticks out some so I'd have to consider what I'm wearing shirt wise. But as far as weight, comfort, feel...they are about the same. Very very suprised by that.

Dunno, but I think I'm in love. Will have to see how the weekend goes. If anybody wants some picts, will try and do some over the weekend.

[itsthelaw]

I have at least one Remora for every conceal gun. They are great and customer service is also great. I recently picked up a couple of Sticky Holsters too. I am in love with both. Same design...different material. The Sticky is a bit thinner and a bit more malleable. The Remoras are a bit more tacky. Not sure which is better, but I'm into thin. I'm not sure you can beat the stability of a kydex and leather holster with 2 clips, but I don't like belts much. Enjoy.

[Bill K]

Different strokes for different folks I guess...

I'm okay with my Remora but find that for me at least I will have to adjust it a few times over the course of a day. Not so with the "standard" leather clip holster I use when carrying my Glock. I'm talking appendix carry so maybe that makes a difference?

Mostly pocket carry my PM9 so I'm keeping the Remora for those few occasion when I AIWB the PM9. If I were to AIWB carry the PM9 more I'd prefer a clip style holster over the Remora.

[JFootin]

Different strokes for different folks I guess...

I'm okay with my Remora but find that for me at least I will have to adjust it a few times over the course of a day. Not so with the "standard" leather clip holster I use when carrying my Glock. I'm talking appendix carry so maybe that makes a difference?

Mostly pocket carry my PM9 so I'm keeping the Remora for those few occasion when I AIWB the PM9. If I were to AIWB carry the PM9 more I'd prefer a clip style holster over the Remora.

I tried a Remora for my CM9 and returned it for a refund. Nice folks. Just wasn't for me. I found it way too bulky, especially in the pocket. I got the 3 way one that could also be worn on the ankle, but it was way too bulky for that. And I found it rediculously over sticky when I tried it IWB. I couldn't just insert it in my waistband with the belt fastened, still couldn't insert it with the belt unfastened, had to undo my pants, try and position it and get my pants back up without it catching on something and moving out of position! :mad:

Recently, I found a pocket holster that is just $14.95 shipped, yet is quality made of microfiber on the outside and the typical smooth nylon on the inside: the Stays-Put Ultra (http://www.concealmentspecialties.com/products.html). It is thinner and not overly sticky. I can insert it AIWB with my belt fastened by just pulling my belly in, and it stays put in my pocket or AIWB better than any pocket holster I have tried (and I've tried a lot). Though it is fairly thin, it cushions well for comfort and does a good job of disguising the shape of the gun. I have one for my J frame, and carrying that AIWB is now my favorite carry package. I also have one for my TCP, which works great AIWB or in my pocket for backup.

I haven't gotten one for the CM9 because, for me, the CM9 is too big for pocket carry and I find it bulky and uncomfortable AIWB. My carry solution for it is the PJ IWB Holster (http://pjholster.com/?page_id=37), which is perfectly comfortable, discrete and secure carried behind my hip. But if I were asked to recommend a pocket/AIWB holster for the PM/CM series, it would be the Stays-Put Ultra. And, dang, at just $15 shipped it is an easy option to try! :)

[chrish]

Bill,

I've tried appendix carry. I still to this day do not see how people carry that way...not because of having a pistol pointed at your privates, but just because I can't sit down that way. No matter how I cant or adjust, even w/ the Remora last night, something still pokes me or presses to the point I don't care for it. Driving, for me, is totally impossible w/ AIWB. Just don't get it. I'll be carrying at 3-4 oclock or small of the back. Either way, if a week of using this cause me to be periodically adjusting, I may opt to send them back, but my CompTac is always moving around. Not enough to cause a problem or make me leave my gun at home, but enough to just be an annoyance from time to time.

JFootin,

Some of the comments you made on the Remora in another thread here were why I held off for awhile. This week will be telling. I definitely agree w/ your gripe about getting the darn thing in place. At first, I kept half undressing to get it placed. If it's just between skin and pants, like w/ shorts and tshirt, it's pretty easy. Between two shirts, things are definitely more difficult. That's the one thing that'll make or break this, depending on how easy it gets after working w/ it some.

The thickness doesn't seem to bother me, but yea, they are thicker than many will like. Even w/ my P250C, which is like 1.3-1.4" thick, I don't have a problem w/ it. Yea, it's thick, but it compresses and conforms. So I find it really comfortable in that respect.

We shall see.

I really want a PJ, but just haven't done it yet. If I keep the Remoras, gonna sell the CompTac and probably put that toward a PJ and try that as well.

[GROTMAN]

I have a remora I use for my pm9 for iwb carry and am very satisfied with it. I have started buying Dockers with the "comfort fit" which means I can buy my normal waist size which makes my pants fit well when not carrying but also gives me the space I need for my pm9 when I do carry. I have recently ordered a pj tuckable though as most of the time I tuck my shirts in.

[Bill K]

Bill,

I've tried appendix carry. I still to this day do not see how people carry that way...not because of having a pistol pointed at your privates, but just because I can't sit down that way. No matter how I cant or adjust, even w/ the Remora last night, something still pokes me or presses to the point I don't care for it. Driving, for me, is totally impossible w/ AIWB. Just don't get it.

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Hi, All my carries are subcompacts and I've no belly to speak of, both of which probably helps. Car carry is an issue because of the seat belt but even more so for my usual pocket carry - because it'd be really hard to get the gun deployed quickly. I'll move my gun, in holster, to the map pocket. When I used to have to drive through not so nice parts of the city I'd place my gun, again in holster, under my thigh [Yes, if needed to be drawn quickly you could easily cover parts of your leg. I'm not advocating these car positions to anyone.].

Excluding my time in the Marine Corps I've never carried regular IWB or OWB so I can't compare. I prefer AIWB for reasons that, if explained, might just well lead to a debate that changes no one's mind.

[itsthelaw]

There are a lot of options and a lot of preferences. I really don't think the tacky holsters are needing constant adjustment. I will say that I would never use one for pocket carry, but Remora and Sticky really do it for some. I'm not a PJ Holster fan. Nice product and light, but not comfy if you move much. Foxx has one that can go canted or not. Unsure why PJ is cant or not canted. I like the pressure of retention on both the belt side and the skin side like a hybrid or tacky. PJ offers retention only on belt side.

[otium]

Remoras worked ok for me in the winter with a t-shirt between it and my skin, but the extra sticky material (or perhaps the stiffness of the reinforced top) irritated my skin in the summer with no tee on, so have pretty much given up on that brand.

The material used on the Sticky holster brand has worked better against the skin for me, but it does not have a reinforced top so re-holstering requires you to take the holster off to do that.

[chrish]

Spent the day carrying the P9 today. Around the house, sitting, moving around. Out to Lowes for some paint and supplies. Back and kept it on while painting my office at the house. So far so good. Didn't have to readjust. Today was a north face shorts and t-shirt day, no problem or irritation being against my skin. Will need to try it during a longer stint when I get warm or hot and then see if it irritates any.

Didn't used to have a gut (go ahaead, rub it in Bill K) but one is slowly developing. But even in my younger years, appendix carry was an issue. Even when I was in my early 20s and was pretty much skin and bones. Guess it's just not for me.

Once I get my paint mess cleaned up, might try and post some pics.

[itsthelaw]

I don't see any need to re-holster a gun in a sticky IWB holster. Unless you are using it for some sort of competition, the fun should stay in holster until BG comes around.

[chrish]

I don't see any need to re-holster a gun in a sticky IWB holster. Unless you are using it for some sort of competition, the fun should stay in holster until BG comes around.

Totally agree, but no holster needs to provide that for ccw purposes. More of a convenience thing at the range or dry fire practice. I dont have a point of comparison since i got both in RFT models, but I am fine with the extra bulk created from this feature.

I also would like to do idpa at some point when time permits. I wont be going for the competition, just interested in the practice and the RFT will come in handy for that as well.

[otium]

Glad you will never see the need.

My comment on the re-holstering ability was an observation in the differences with the Remora product and the Sticky product. Remora offers the reinforced top option, Sticky doesn't.

On most occasions, you are correct, it should stay put once you get it in to place, so re-holstering is not much an issue.

My experience is with the initial holstering, (start of the day or resetting after a nature call), where I found having a reinforced top helped.

I also like to practice drawing from my holsters. Maybe I am the exception to holster practice, but after the 2nd or 3rd time for me with the non-reinforced top Sticky, it does get rather tedious.

So, for me, it would be nice if the Remora reinforced top design was an option with the Sticky material.

[Bill K]

Gees, I guess these holster threads help explain why there are so many holster choices out there. :)

[JFootin]

I don't see any need to re-holster a gun in a sticky IWB holster. Unless you are using it for some sort of competition, the fun should stay in holster until BG comes around.

Well, I can reholster just fine with my J frame in my Stays-Put Ultra. It has a smooth nylon lining like many pocket holsters which facilitates an easy draw and helps when reholstering. I hold the outer edge of the holster with my weak hand to keep it in position and to open it a bit when reholstering. This is also helped by the shape of the J frame: the barrel is less than 1/2" wide, the frame is exactly 1/2" wide and the gun is well into the holster before the wide cylinder is inserted.

I am a lefty, so I position it AIWB at about 10:30 (1:30 for a righty), riding low with a backward cant which makes the grip lay down horizontally along the top of the belt, where it sits shadowed by my middle aged spread expanding above it, making for no printing under a loose shirt. The backward cant also moves the muzzle end of the gun and holster towards the middle enough so that it does not jam against my thigh when I sit down. So, it remains comfortable sitting or standing, all day long!

BTW, the backward cant in that AIWB position also facilitates a quick draw because the hand naturally moves at a backward angle when drawing the gun. It is such a cool CC setup! :D