My 2nd "plastic" gun

[QuercusMax]

Sorry, not a Kahr, but there's a pretty open-minded crowd here that I know always likes picture, so I'll share an acquisition from earlier this year.

I had been wanting a H&K for some time now, and this was the one. (I got over lusting after a Mark 23 for reasons of expense and size, but I still like the P30 as well.) The H&K crowd seems to have its own unique orientation, one key difference from Kahr is that many H&Ks have threaded barrels for suppressors, which is a topic that does not come up on KahrTalk for obvious reasons. Clearly I did not go that route on this one.

For some reason, I can shoot almost anything in .45ACP more accurately than anything else, which helps make this one an enjoyable shoot for me. Not sure why that is. Too bad that the ammo costs so much more than 9mm. Every time I go out with a .45 it is big bucks - maybe I'll have to get into reloading at some point. The HK 45c is slightly too big to carry IMO but feels really good in the hand, but I find slightly more difficult to clean than some other guns because it has a lot of nooks and crannies. Beautifully made though. I still might take it along sometime.

Still working on my photography, long way to go ....

HK 45C with V1 trigger

[Alfonse]

Sweet, and a great photo too.

[ripley16]

Ah, a brand new 2012 HK. Very nice. If you do ever want to put a suppressor on it, HK makes the barrel ready to drop in. The HK45ct has been designated the MK24, to replace the venerable MK23, and put into service with certain special units.

I've several HKs, but only one in .45acp, an Elite, and it's incredibly accurate. If the HK45 is similar, you're probably very happy with it. Enjoy!

[muggsy]

One of the reasons that you don't hear much about suppressors from the Kahr crowd is that Kahr pistols are made for concealed carry. Adding a six inch aluminum can to the front of a Kahr makes it a little less easy to conceal. Also, good ear protection costs a lot less than a suppressor.

[O'Dell]

Had mine for a couple of years. It's a great pistol. I actually like it better than my USP compact 45.

[QuercusMax]

Ah, a brand new 2012 HK. Very nice. If you do ever want to put a suppressor on it, HK makes the barrel ready to drop in. The HK45ct has been designated the MK24, to replace the venerable MK23, and put into service with certain special units.

I've several HKs, but only one in .45acp, an Elite, and it's incredibly accurate. If the HK45 is similar, you're probably very happy with it. Enjoy!

Thanks - you are right about being happy with it. I didn't know about the new designation for the HK45ct, which is interesting.

I did know about being able to drop in the threaded barrel to host a suppressor, but I'm really on the fence over the whole suppressor thing. While there seems to be a whole cult around them and I think it would be cool to have one, I don't have any *actual* need for a quieter (or longer) gun, and really have a hard time stomaching the paperwork, cost, delay, and divulging of personal details etc to the BATFE for the tax stamp.

Well for that matter, I didn't have any actual need for this gun either, but that didn't stop me. :D

[7shot]

Though I've never fired an HK, I have held them at gunshows. They seem to be a real nice, weight, balance and such. Congrats...

[les strat]

That's a sweet pistol. Bet it shoots like a dream. Congrats!

With jealousy,
les strat

[BucketBack]

I hate HK's because they hate America, and because I can't afford one.

[QuercusMax]

I hate HK's because they hate America, and because I can't afford one.

I didn't realize H&K hated America. Please tell me more.

[jlottmc]

Damn it twice now I hit the wrong button on about the third of four links and lose my comments. H&K is on record as being a grudging seller to the civilian side of the house, and the Brady Bunches' kind of gun maker.

[ripley16]

H&K is on record as being a grudging seller to the civilian side of the house, and the Brady Bunches' kind of gun maker.

Please share that "record" with us. Never aware of any thing, other than a running joke, that HK has feelings one way or the other towards America and especially the Brady Bunch.

True, HK supplies only military grade arms and does not cater to the civiian market, but how that somehow translates to any kind of "hate " is beyond me. You are able to purchase their products just the same as anyone. I don't recall a dealer ever "grudgingly" accepting my money.

HK supplies many of America's finest with a wide variety of arms including pistols, rifles, submachine guns, light macheguns, heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, etc. They are known to adapt and modify and inovate at our requests. HK has been a good friend to our warriors of the terror wars.

[jlottmc]

That was in those links I kept screwing up. The editor of Recoil magazine (the very one that is in deep doo doo) said that he was parroting H&K's line in his first apology. That is the most recent one. H&K exec's have also said in several interviews that they would rather sell to LE/military only. They have also said that they basically support the Brady Bunch and their ideas. Chalk it up to being a German gun company, and with all the restrictions they have there or what have you. Bottom line is that H&K does not like the idea of civilian gun ownership.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/09/robert-farago/readers-recoil-from-recoil-magazine/
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/09/foghorn/recoil-editor-apologizes-for-statements-in-mp7a1-article/
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/09/daniel-zimmerman/panteao-productions-silencerco-its-tactical-hayley-strategic-partners-recoil-from-recoil/
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/09/robert-farago/magpul-pulls-out-of-recoil/
Read these in order and the comments. Draw your own conclusions.

[ripley16]

H&K exec's have also said in several interviews that they would rather sell to LE/military only.

What arms maker doesn't wish to deal only with large contracts? The point here is that HK does sell to the public and has taken great pains to service us here in the U.S.



They have also said that they basically support the Brady Bunch and their ideas

Where, when? Sorry, but I call bovine scat.

Your link dealt with the unavailability of the MP7. It and it's ammo are unavailble. So you want one, who doesn't, but some weapons aren't made for the public and this is only one of many. It is used extensively against bad guys, by our best war fighters, and I for one am glad HK developed the gun for their use. It works very well for it's intended purpose. The troops like it. Quit bitching.

And besides... why dump on the OP's happy thread. What's your motivation here?:(

[jlottmc]

What ever dude. I have seen the interviews with the execs in other places don't remember where but this is a done thing, like I said draw your own conclusions.

[O'Dell]

Whatever, but HK's are too good for me to deprive myself, so I have three. As my Mother use to say, I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face. As long as it's available and legal and it's what I want, I'll get it. I hate that GM took the $ instead of a Chapter 11, but it didn't stop me from buying two GM cars this year because they were the only ones on the market that I wanted. I'll admit that one's a 2004 and the other was built a month before Obama was inaugurated, but Bush was also guilty of fiscal irresponsibility. I have a friend who wanted a new truck this year and has always driven GM products. He got a fully optioned F150 because he refused to buy GM, and he has done nothing but complain about it ever since.

[surfingwta]

For a company who hates civilians, HK is pretty receptive to the community when organizing Group buys.

If you don't have a HK and have always wanted one, the guys at HKPro have been organizing a group by killer deal for the HK 45c for $855+sh.

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hkpro-house-news/162750-hk45c-fde-group-buy.html

Orders must be paid by Oct 1st.

[JERRY]

Hk was the first to make a service caliber "plastic" gun with the vp70z. No reason to believe they havent perfected this series of guns as well.

[tv_racin_fan]

"but some weapons aren't made for the public and this is only one of many."

According to who sir? Surely not according to the founding fathers. IF they had not intended that the citizen not be allowed the same class of weapons that the army had why then did they not specify such? Not according to the US Constitution. No the idea that some weapons should only be for govt useage is propogated by the likes of the Brady Bunch and other such.

At the time of the penning of the Constitution the Brown Bess and it's equivilent was the "Assault Weapon" of choice. Yet there is no restriction written into the second amendment such that the citizen is only allowed the handgonne or the matchlock. Nor does it say that the citizen should only be allowed to keep and bear the cutlass or the dirk. No the second amendment was penned as such so that the people would have the weapons necessary to defend their nation from anyone who would attempt to take it from them. Those who believe that there are certain weapons that only the govt should have have willingly given their nation to those who would enslave them.

Have you seriously studied the "Assault Weapon Ban"? Can you logically explain why an AR 15 with more than two of certain features was not to be allowed in civilian hands but the AR 15 with two or less was just fine for the civilian? What exactly was different about the action of the banned one versus the unbanned one? Can you logically explain why an SKS built in one country was banned but an SKS from anywhere else on earth was fine?

[ripley16]

According to who sir? Surely not according to the founding fathers.

According to the BATF, current law and current political trends. The fact is there are many weapons, current or past that are regulated. If you don't like that fact then vote accordingly. To argue that the Constitution somehow entitles you to any weapon you desire overlooks present day reality. Your arguement is with Justice Roberts... not with me.

I only pointed out the weakness in the arguement, (or opinion if you like), that HK was somehow to blame for the lack of availability of the MP7 and that fact made HK a bad company. HK is forbidden by law from selling the MP7. Certain classes of weapons are tightly regulated and have been for a long time. The insinuation was made that HK corporate culture endorses over reguation. I asked for reference verification and received none.