Watching the Osprey over Quantico

[ripley16]

This morning I had the pleasure of watching this unique plane fly around the base at Quantico. If you've never seen one in flight, you're in for a treat when you do. Very interesting to see this plane maneuver, slow, speed up, land, take off and just cruise around. I'm used to seeing helicopters plow around the sky, but when the Osprey arrives it's so different. When they want to roll, this thing is really fast!. Very cool, very fast and very loud. Oh well.:cool:

http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u447/leftofcentre2012/IMG_0480.jpg

[wyntrout]

Those are really awesome aircraft, but scary! They are too dependent on computers to fly and I would hate to think what would happen if there was a glitch while changing the orientation of the engines!:eek:

I've seen them in the Fort Wort-Dallas area and also flying down the river here in Jacksonville.

Wynn:)

[sas PM9]

This morning I had the pleasure of watching this unique plane fly around the base at Quantico. If you've never seen one in flight, you're in for a treat when you do. Very interesting to see this plane maneuver, slow, speed up, land, take off and just cruise around. I'm used to seeing helicopters plow around the sky, but when the Osprey arrives it's so different. When they want to roll this thing is really fast!. Very cool, very fast and very loud. Oh well.:cool:

http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u447/leftofcentre2012/IMG_0480.jpg

Saw a similar osprey flying/easing into Hurlbert field @FWB while we were on the water yesterday. Very COOL machine.

-steve

[gb6491]

Nice photo, they visit the the Air Station here quite a bit.
Regards,
Greg

[Bawanna]

Doesn't appear to have too great of glide characteristics, imagine it drops like a rock if them engines quit but an incredible machine. It's a great picture, never seen one that close. Orville and Wilbur would be impressed with this one too.

[Sage]

I'd love to see one maybe at an air show sometime.

Has the military actually ever found a use for it?

[jimbar]

Great shot of this unusual craft. I've never seen one in person. There are a few aircraft that are really impressive to see, this is one of them.The others that I've seen in person are the Harrier jet, and the now permanently grounded Concorde.
Both of those will make your mouth drop, and your ears hurt.:o I saw the last two at an air show in Texas in the 80's, got to go onboard for a tour of the Concorde. Wow, what a plane! There were tickets being sold for a ride on the SST, but I missed out. That oppurtunity is gone forever,..sure wish I could have made it.:mad:

[getsome]

Great picture there ripley, thanks for posting it...I'm not sure I would want to fly in ship #13 with all the troubles the Osprey has had in the past though...It's hard to believe the thing can maintain enough lift to support it's heavy airframe and cargo load in forward flight with those stubby short little wings...

Somehow to me all helicopters seem like dangerous machines that are specifically designed and engineered to shake themselves to pieces...Any aircraft whose wings travel 1000 times faster than the main fuselage just doesn't seem like a good idea to me...:p

[gb6491]

I'd love to see one maybe at an air show sometime.

Has the military actually ever found a use for it?
For some time now, the Marine Corps has been standing down HMM squadrons, replacing their CH46 Sea Knights with the MV-22, and recommissioning the squadrons with the VMM designation . They provide medium-lift capability for assault support missions (moving personnel and cargo). They've been/are operational in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Regards,
Greg

[ripley16]

Have to fess-up... the photo isn't mine. Borrowed the photo from Photobucket for dramatic effect.


There are a few aircraft that are really impressive to see, this is one of them.The others that I've seen in person are the Harrier jet, and the now permanently grounded Concorde.

If anyone gets the chance to visit the Udvar-Hazy museum in Virginia, near Dulles Airport, the effort is well worth it. World class display of aircraft.
http://airandspace.si.edu/udvarhazy/

[OldLincoln]

From the looks of that photo they must be something. How do they get them up in the air before they start the engines? Seems like those big blades should be doing something.

[LorenzoB]

....Seems like those big blades should be doing something.

Too funny! I was thinking the same thing. ;)

[steveschu]

That old bird has been around since the 80's......how about the F-35???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc8VF9MQLp0&feature=relmfu

[O'Dell]

Those are really awesome aircraft, but scary! They are too dependent on computers to fly and I would hate to think what would happen if there was a glitch while changing the orientation of the engines!:eek:

I've seen them in the Fort Wort-Dallas area and also flying down the river here in Jacksonville.

Wynn:)

The same is true of nearly all high performance aircraft today. All our recent fighters are so unstable that they won't fly at all without the computers. They have to be that way to get the maneuverability that's required nowadays. Of course there's plenty of redundancy for safety's sake.

Cars are going the same way. On my Prius the steering, brakes, throttle, and even the gearshift lever are not directly connected, but go through a series of processors. Basically, you tell the car what you want to do and it decides how to do it. I'm told that there are 32 separate computers in the system. The Corvettes are the same to a somewhat lesser extent. When you press the accelerator, the imput goes to the central computer which checks with the traction control, yaw sensors, steering angle sensors, etc, before throttling up the engine to give you what you are asking for. It happens in a couple of micro seconds, so you never notice it not a direct connection to the engine.

[Planedude]

Yeah, redundant out the arse...
The F-35 has three computers for fight control and each one of those has three channels that it runs, each backing up the other. Last time I checked we were running about 9.1 millon lines of code and puting more in every day...

Our autos are following suit.:rolleyes:

Some shorts of the BF-4 coming aboard the Wasp; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wOJ9JImlRs

How I see the jets, this is AA-1 the first (and only like her). The production jets were changed based on stuff we learned from the old girl. Note all the (#@$!*#) orange wire for test equipment; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRtUGnw-GJY

[O'Dell]

Some shorts of the BF-4 coming aboard the Wasp; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wOJ9JImlRs



How I see the jets, this is AA-1 the first (and only like her). The production jets were changed based on stuff we learned from the old girl. Note all the (#@$!*#) orange wire for test equipment; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRtUGnw-GJY

That not the way we came aboard in F-4's 40+ years ago.

The F-35's are being built in Lookheed's plant in Texas as you know. The F-22's were built in Marietta, Ga. One of my dealers is just across the highway from the Plant in Marietta. Every Tuesday I spent 3 or 4 hours there and saw the F-22's fly three or four times every trip, always with an F-16 chase plane. I miss that since the production of the F-22's has finished.

[Planedude]

Me too, I built F-22 mid bodies thru ship 30 when they moved me to start-up the Japanese F-2 program.
I sure hope the small buy of the F-22s don't bite some future admin in the rump cheek. I can't tell you how much of a bad boy the Raptor is (really I can't it's classified) and Lockhed is still fine tunning it to be tougher.

Wow, has it really been 40 years since the F-4 was king...??? Dang that makes me feel old.

[O'Dell]

Are we selling F-22's to Japan?? That I didn't know. I still have friends in military aviation, so I probably know more about the capabilities of the F-22 than I should. I loved the way they used them last year as mini-Awac's in Alaska for the F-15's and no one even knew they were up there at 60,000 feet.

You're not the one that used to paint them that awful pea green are you? :rolleyes:

If it makes you feel old what about me - I used to drive them.

[CarlCyrus]

Yeah, redundant out the arse...
The F-35 has three computers for fight control and each one of those has three channels that it runs, each backing up the other. Last time I checked we were running about 9.1 millon lines of code and puting more in every day...

Our autos are following suit.:rolleyes:

Some shorts of the BF-4 coming aboard the Wasp; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wOJ9JImlRs

How I see the jets, this is AA-1 the first (and only like her). The production jets were changed based on stuff we learned from the old girl. Note all the (#@$!*#) orange wire for test equipment; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRtUGnw-GJY

Yes, and on average there are 2.5 bugs per 1,000 lines of code. So that is 22,500 bugs in that 9M LoC bird.

That is how the Chinese get into everything and suck our intelectual property out. No telling what they leave behind.

Next time you are on a Boeing or Airbus, ask yourself how many LoC there are in that bird.

Carl

[Tank]

[QUOTE=steveschu;186281]That old bird has been around since the 80's......how about the F-35???

Try the late 60's, they just couldn't get a bite on the design until the '80s. Here's the killer. Take a good look at the pic. Plane takes off with the engines pointed up and at a certin altitude they turn 90 deg. forword and you have a plane, much faster than a copter. But if the plane takes hits or the hydralics get damadged when the engines are forword you are up a creek with worse than no paddle. If the engines can't revert to the takeoff position as shown in the pics and are stuck "down" in plane mode a landing means much of the prop protrudes below the wheels. The blades then hit the ground, break up and enter the fusealoge. Take a good look at the pics and the prop length and tell me you you want your loved ones in this plane.

Bring back the A-10's and let's get to work!!!!!!

[Planedude]

Are we selling F-22's to Japan?? That I didn't know. I still have friends in military aviation, so I probably know more about the capabilities of the F-22 than I should. I loved the way they used them last year as mini-Awac's in Alaska for the F-15's and no one even knew they were up there at 60,000 feet.

Nawww, cause that would have made tooo much sense! The Japanese, at first, demanded that they co-produce the F-22 and do their own final assembly (national pride thing). The current admin refused and we lost the F-22 sales. Once the Japanese relized we were dead flat serious they agreed to buy a decent number of them right off the Georgia assembly line in what ever verison we would sell them. Obumma refused and ended F-22 production at ship 189. Japan finally offered to buy the USAF several F-22s in an effort to keep the production line open till the Japanese aircraft could be started. Again the offer was refused, but they will allow the Japanese to buy F-35s...
The nutty part here is the F-35 is in several ways more advanced then the F-22 and we will be adding the F-35 tech into our F-22 fleet.

Anybody want to guess where we station a large part of our F-22s to keep an eye on China? Would have been good for everyone to just sell the Japanese their very own F-22s and it would have kept alot of Americans working in good paying production jobs. Sigh, Obumma, freind of the union working man... at least thats what my Union keeps telling me (and we keep telling them, NOT!!)

Soap box dismount. The F-2 was Japans re-engg-ineared F-16. They feature a longer fuselage, hardened wind screen (sea bird strikes) and larger all composite wings. Those wings are some-thing-else to build... The re-design was all about performance with the Japans aint-ship missles, real big monsters.
Japan had to halt their production as the F-2s were costing almost as much as we spent on F-22s each... It is possible to overthink a problem.

Oh and Shhhhhhhh! don't give away too much neat F-22 info...:D

[JFootin]

They need to bring the alien flying saucer anti-gravity technology out of hiding! :w00t:

[O'Dell]

Soap box dismount. The F-2 was Japans re-engg-ineared F-16. They feature a longer fuselage, hardened wind screen (sea bird strikes) and larger all composite wings. Those wings are some-thing-else to build... The re-design was all about performance with the Japans aint-ship missles, real big monsters.
Japan had to halt their production as the F-2s were costing almost as much as we spent on F-22s each... It is possible to overthink a problem.

Oh and Shhhhhhhh! don't give away too much neat F-22 info...:D

When you said F-2 I thought you left off a 2. Didn't the Japanese have an F-2 several years ago? I know they had an F-1.

Since you didn't answer, I assume you wielded the pea-green spray gun. :D

[O'Dell]

They need to bring the alien flying saucer anti-gravity technology out of hiding! :w00t:

You've been listening to Bob Lazar, haven't you?