New CW40 problem?

[wyntrout]

I just got a PM from a new CW40 owner who wonders if this is normal. What do you think??

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb115/bullisbm/002-6.jpg

I said NO! There's some major battering going on here and I wonder if it has the "Notch" for the recoil assembly to move about with the barrel during firing or some mismatch with barrel and slide pinging(I meant peening:rolleyes:) away... or Banging in this case.

Wynn:)

[jocko]

sure looks like sh!t to me. that photo should be emailed to kahr, they will no doubt ask for the gun back. Would have been nice to see the barrel . Can't seehow a barrel could batterit that bad. It almost looks chipped not battered.

If its normal,I want no part of NORMAL..Just saying

no doubt u advised him what to do wyn..

[JERRY]

what does the barrel hood where this mates look like?

[wyntrout]

I just had to switch UPS's on my AT&T U-Verse stuff... losing Internet off and on for a while. I had a post ready to send and lost it.

I advised bulletbm to send that picture and one of the underside of the slide and the barrel to Kahr, though I think the first picture would be proof enough that something is WRONG. I wonder what the slide looked like before he shot it and if he had any problems shooting it.

He said "had my cw 40 for less than a month and have put 100 round though it."

It looks like someone went at it with a chainsaw or something rougher!

Wynn:)

[bulletbm]

Hey all,

I sent a bunch of pics to Kahr on Friday, There is some peening on the barrel I didn't think much of it at first and smoothed out the flaring metal on the barrel then noticed the damage to the slide so I think this gun has some clearance issues or metal issues.

Here is a pic of the barrel. http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb115/bullisbm/022.jpg

I got this gun at the end of August and have only 100 rounds though it. I noticed it all after the last 50 rounds through it. So now I am just waiting for Kahr to get back with me. I am a bit frustrated because this is my first hand gun but I am expecting Kahr will make it right.

[wyntrout]

I'm sure they'll spring for the shipping and make it right. The slide part above the barrel looks terrible... never seen any that bad. It's usually about a week from when they get it until it returns by FedEx.

At least yours fired. I've had really bad luck with most of my new Kahrs, but Kahr fixed them... and/or I helped on a few. We see just about every possible malfunction happen and reported here... sometimes it's self-induced, but often the pistols need a part or some work and it may require more than one trip back to the factory, which can really suck if it's your favorite or only pistol.

I don't think that Kahrs are THAT worse than other gun makes, but we hear about more problems here and I know that most owners don't have or don't report problems here, so we have no way of knowing what the percentage of problems versus "perfect" pistols is. We just get a skewed picture here.

Wynn:)

[bulletbm]

The most frustrating part to me is that I really enjoy this gun and it shot very well and I didn't have any issues with it.. other than this.

I am not one to go bashing something because it's new and has issues. It happens, it's all part of manufacturing as long as Kahr stands behind and takes care of the problems I will be happy.

Thank you all for your help.

[jocko]

Hey all,

I sent a bunch of pics to Kahr on Friday, There is some peening on the barrel I didn't think much of it at first and smoothed out the flaring metal on the barrel then noticed the damage to the slide so I think this gun has some clearance issues or metal issues.

Here is a pic of the barrel. http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb115/bullisbm/022.jpg

I got this gun at the end of August and have only 100 rounds though it. I noticed it all after the last 50 rounds through it. So now I am just waiting for Kahr to get back with me. I am a bit frustrated because this is my first hand gun but I am expecting Kahr will make it right.

seeing the peening in ur photo. some of that wear is just what it is metal to metal contact and there is a finish that kahr puts on their barrels over the nickel plating that wears off with little contact. that part IMO is normal. Thereis gonna be barrel to metal contact with the slide. Unless I am missing something in that photo, I just don't see the peening.

[bulletbm]

seeing the peening in ur photo. some of that wear is just what it is metal to metal contact and there is a finish that kahr puts on their barrels over the nickel plating that wears off with little contact. that part IMO is normal. Thereis gonna be barrel to metal contact with the slide. Unless I am missing something in that photo, I just don't see the peening.


You don't see the peening now, as I cleaned it up not thinking much of it at the time. I did that prior to noticing the slide damage.

[jocko]

wait till u hear from kahr, I would think they will want the entire gun back for inspection. If the barrel needs replaced they will do that. Let this paly out, as it will work out OK..

[JERRY]

That barrel doesnt look bad at all, but the slide was poorly mated.

I read that kahr had barrel peening problems with thier pm series gun about a decade or so ago....i thought this was corrected by now.

[bulletbm]

I got my RMA and pre-paid shipping label so it will be heading off to Kahr this afternoon. I am pretty impressed I didn't have to ask for them to pay shipping on it. So far so good.

[jocko]

That barrel doesnt look bad at all, but the slide was poorly mated.

I read that kahr had barrel peening problems with thier pm series gun about a decade or so ago....i thought this was corrected by now.

back then it was more of a feed ramp needing polished than any peening issues. My used PM9 blunt nose wasin that recall someyears back and I inquired about what they would do if I sent the barrel back and they said merely polish the feed ramp, I said I can do that, they said fine do it. It worked perfect beforee I even contacted kahr, so possably theoriginal owner polished it or did nuttin, as again they recall was for quite afew barrels back then in the PM9 series but I know most never sent them back for threy were OK. Definitely this fella slide is not right, as far as the barrel I think it is OK but kahr is gonna wantthe entire gun back. sometimes they replace just the slide sometimes the slide and barrel. They are not hand fitted slide/barrels but kahr will test shoot what ever they do to insure proper barrel and slide fitement. I have never seen a slide that looked like this one, I don't consier that peening but more chunking, course the photos might be misleading to.I jut have no doubt they will replace the slide. The barrel is an iffy. If not needed they won't. It will come back right one way or the utter.:D

[wyntrout]

I got my RMA and pre-paid shipping label so it will be heading off to Kahr this afternoon. I am pretty impressed I didn't have to ask for them to pay shipping on it. So far so good.

When I discussed the pre-paid shipping policy with then head of Kahr Customer Service, I wasn't able to persuade him/them that shipping back to them, as well as the return to owner, ought to be pre-paid for defects or failures under warranty, especially the first year. Unfortunately, it's kind of a coin flip... an expensive one to lose! I haven't paid for returns and have not had to argue about that... though I did stress the dangerous lack of reliability in possible self-defense situations. This could be a big liability problem for Kahr.

Wynn:)

[jocko]

5 year warranty is nice and I will agree with part of what u stated but also lets say in 4 years ur having issues. I fully expect kahr to fix the gun but I would not be surpised if they said u send it backa nd they will return it. Nothing says they have to keep paying the postage both ways. I know we would like it but I also know from talking to some of the kahr people to that alot of guns go back with zero wrong with them. There are gonna be some people who cannot handle properly these small guns, blame it on the gun but what ever it is what it is.

My car was warranted for 4 years but I had to get it to the dealer, after that they took care of it. Alot also depends on what is wrong with the gun. If you have a frame that is cracking etc or a slide that is peening, I feel kahr would do the right thing, even after ur warranty is over. To my time on this forum,l I have yet to read where a customer has sent his kahr back for service and the repairs were charged to him. Might have happened but it is so so rare and we don['t know the circumstances either. as we all know we can fokk with these guns up to a point where kahr will warrant them ut cross that line (which is their determination) and u might be on the outside lookigin to..
So IMO take all of our suggestions given for fixes. Most are great, most will work but if u feel leary about doing anything expecially to the slide or frame, then send it back. The other parts if u screw them up u can just buy that new follower or mag release button or slide release button and ur back to factory specs. Fokk with a barrel or slide and u can't bring that back to specs and maybe now you ave given the maker the right to say NOPE not covered...
Not all of us are gifted with machineryt to do some of the mods shown and talked about on this forum,(let alone the ability) so again tred lightly, ... What mod I might do to my kahr mighty just not work on ur model. I look at the bevel on the slides expecialy in the 45 kahrs that seem to be needed to get proper feed ON SOME KAHRS. I say some for there are thousands out there that have no bevel and seem to be issue free. NOt all fixes FIX.

Not to sure about the liability thing either. Kahr would not be the first gun to ever fail to go bang when needed. I certainly have never seen any cases like this brought into the legal system. Anyone can sue, winning is stage #2

[wyntrout]

I would think that they would be culpable if they turned down repair of a reported problem and later someone was injured or killed due to the weapon's failure to function properly BECAUSE of the unresolved "problem". A lot of things can be shipped and fixed for the cost of one very public lawsuit and say... a grieving widow and/or children!

Wynn

[Bawanna]

Your starting to talk like a lawyer Wyn. Snap out of it MAN!

Culpable? Who talks like that huh? Culpable.

[wyntrout]

Hey! Ya watch enough law shows, ya pick up some lingo.:D

Wynn:)

[Tinman507]

I'm baking brownies. May I borrow a culpable of sugar?

[jocko]

I have never heard of any gun maker turning down a repair. Now I think ur stretching it abit. Also IMO doesn't mean any of these gun makers are obligated in paying shipping both ways. Just sayinb

Not trying to argue with u either, just my view point. again anyone can sue, winning is different.

I have een in a liability lawsuit now going on two years, I have not seen a dime..

[bulletbm]

I finally got it back today, they replaced the slide and the barrel. Everything seems much tighter than it was than when I first got it. Unfortunately it's going to be another week before I can shoot it.

[bulletbm]

Oh man, I was finally able to get it to the range today. I got to put 100 rounds through it.

I had 3 feed issues but that was well into 80 rounds so I know that was me getting a bit tired.

I was rather frustrated with Kahrs' 3 week turn around but it seems they fixed the slide and barrel issues. I give them a hell of a lot of credit for making it right. This .40 is a hell of a gun for the price.