New CM or used PM???

[keving]

I have decide that a Kahr CM9/PM9 is going to be my new daily CW.
Now, I can get a NEW CM9 for $390 at my LGS.
There is also a USED PM9 w/ black slide for $550.00.

What do you Kahristi think is the better buy?

This will be a daily pocket/tucked IWB carry gun. I typically buy guns and keep them. I plan to shoot Winchester RA9TA +P+ DA. WWW and Blazer for practice and fun shooting.

After all of my reading posts here and elsewhere, I cannot tell if the PM is really worth any significant premium over the CM for a shooter. Yes it is prettier and has some nicer features, but I cannot determine that any of that makes it a better carry gun for 20-39' distances.
Opinions/advice appreciated.

[bonjorno2]

get the cm9 and don't look back

[Yogi 117]

Just got a CM9 Friday & just posted my range report today. Get the CM9, you won't regret it. What a beauty. :D

[PYROhafe]

go with the new cm9. You will have a warranty (just in case) and it runs just as great as the pm9.

[keving]

Forgot about the warranty. That is a good point as the warranty is not transferable. That is worth buying a new on I suppose.

[jocko]

I have decide that a Kahr CM9/PM9 is going to be my new daily CW.
Now, I can get a NEW CM9 for $390 at my LGS.
There is also a USED PM9 w/ black slide for $550.00.

What do you Kahristi think is the better buy?

This will be a daily pocket/tucked IWB carry gun. I typically buy guns and keep them. I plan to shoot Winchester RA9TA +P+ DA. WWW and Blazer for practice and fun shooting.

After all of my reading posts here and elsewhere, I cannot tell if the PM is really worth any significant premium over the CM for a shooter. Yes it is prettier and has some nicer features, but I cannot determine that any of that makes it a better carry gun for 20-39' distances.
Opinions/advice appreciated.

two gun blunt nose PM9 owner IMO the finest gun kahr ever made,I would still tell u to BUY THE cm9.

actually we have only two membersof the PMJ blunt nose club, and I knda like to keep it small. Just sayiin:der:

[muggsy]

If you do any reloading with cast lead bullets definitely go with the CM9. It has conventional rifling. Only jacketed bullets should be used in the polygonal barrel of the PM9.

[keving]

Thanks for the replies guys. It looks like a consensus for sure. I will take my new CM9 home this afternoon if all goes well.

My next post will be "what is the best holster"? I don't think that topic has ever been tackled. :D

[CrabbyAzz]

I'd also go with the CM9, very happy with mine. The price for the used PM9 is too high. You could buy a new one for $600 via internet. And the black slide on the 2nd hand gun makes it look like every other gun.

[340pd]

I would look at the sights on both guns. If the PM9 has night sights and two mags it may be a better value. As to the polygonal rifling, the accuracy issue is probably a moot point but it will be easier to clean. It will also shoot jacketed as well as plated bullets with no issues whatsoever. My co-worker at our range handloads only hand cast lead bullets through his PM9 and has never had any accuracy or cleaning issues at all. Just clean it after every range session if you shoot lead.
Either way, welcome to the Kahr family. Let us know what you decide.
Sorry to confuse you.

[les strat]

Thanks for the replies guys. It looks like a consensus for sure. I will take my new CM9 home this afternoon if all goes well.

My next post will be "what is the best holster"? I don't think that topic has ever been tackled. :D

Check out Bear Creek Holsters (http://www.bearcreekholsters.com/). Doug makes some great holsters in cowhide, horsehide, shark, gator, etc, and his prices are as good as it gets.

Mine is a front pocket in horsehide molded for the crimson trace laser.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v385/KevinJenne/IMG_7245.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v385/KevinJenne/IMG_7246.jpg

[Rio Vista Slim]

I faced a similar decision when I bought my CM9. The gun shop had a used PM9, and the owner was pushing me toward that pistol.

I tend to buy new, if possible, and opted for the CM9. At the time, Kahr had a promotion that allowed the buyer to send for a free 7 round magazine. I had a few problems, initially, with that mag. But after a few sessions the problems disappeared. I also ordered three other 6 round magazines, and all have been perfect.

I do not regret my decision, and my CM9 has become my preferred daily carry pistol.

[JFootin]

Thanks for the replies guys. It looks like a consensus for sure. I will take my new CM9 home this afternoon if all goes well.

My next post will be "what is the best holster"? I don't think that topic has ever been tackled. :D

There are a bunch of us that will tell you that this PJ IWB Over the Belt Clip Holster (http://pjholster.com/?page_id=37) with an FBI cant works absolutely perfect with the CM9! So thin, comfortable and stable that you can't feel it there in the sweet spot behind your hip at all after a few minutes. The gun does not shift around, so even when moving it is just like part of your body. I literally have to reach back there and touch the gun to be assured it is still there! And Paul is a great guy to do business with!

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/DSCN4660.jpg

[JimC]

I will have to cast the only opposing vote on this issue. ;)

I say go for the PM9 as long as you are satisfied with it's condition. Does the used PM9 have NS? If so, that in itself is a plus in my opinion. Does it have more than one mag? The PM9 comes with two, the CM9 with one.

I have a PM9, my one and only Kahr pistol, I wouldn't trade it for a CM9, no way, any day.

When I bought my PM9 the CM9 wasn't yet out. It wouldn't have made any difference, I wanted an all black pistol.

I like the added feathures of the PM9, some don't and choose to settle.

:behindsofa:

[SleepyMike]

I have no comparative information for you, however I bought a new CM9 for $373 at grabagun.com. Might save you some money. http://grabagun.com/kahr-cm9-9mm-3-msts-poly-1-mag.html

[bandrich]

If you have not already bought one of the two......I would vote for the CM9 NEW. I love my CM9 for EDC. But I for one needed the warranty for a bit of fix up to get my CM working perfectly. Just sayin'

[keving]

I will have to cast the only opposing vote on this issue. ;)

I say go for the PM9 as long as you are satisfied with it's condition. Does the used PM9 have NS? If so, that in itself is a plus in my opinion. Does it have more than one mag? The PM9 comes with two, the CM9 with one.

I have a PM9, my one and only Kahr pistol, I wouldn't trade it for a CM9, no way, any day.

When I bought my PM9 the CM9 wasn't yet out. It wouldn't have made any difference, I wanted an all black pistol.

I like the added feathures of the PM9, some don't and choose to settle.

:behindsofa:

A fly in the ointment!!
Well, I decided on the CM9. I hope to pick it up tomorrow as I ran out of time today. The black PM had the 2 standard clips and standard sites, so it was not a real special deal.
With the money I save on the CM9 I can buy 1-2 holsters to try out. Planning on getting a Remora for pocket/IWB carry. I will also look at the PJ setup, and maybe some others depending on how I like those.
Thanks for all of the help. This is a nice forum to be a part of.

[bonjorno2]

if you go pjholster which i love, you won't regret it!

[Short Bus]

if you go pjholster which i love, you won't regret it!
The pj looks nice, but my understanding is there's a wait to get one. I love my Foxx Trapp and you'll get it in a couple days, not several weeks.

http://www.foxxholsters.com/apps/webstore/products/show/3201890

[JFootin]

The pj looks nice, but my understanding is there's a wait to get one. I love my Foxx Trapp and you'll get it in a couple days, not several weeks.

http://www.foxxholsters.com/apps/webstore/products/show/3201890

Paul's turnaround time is quick. May be a little slower than when I got mine because so many Kahrtalk members are now buying his holsters! :) I'm telling you, he uses thin kydex (which is still incredibly strong) so the holster isn't too stiff and rock hard. Believe me, this holster sits so comfortably against your body that it becomes a part of you and you literally cannot feel it or the gun there. Paul realy has a remarkable talent!

[fitpro]

Here is a link to high quality hand-made holsters. My CM9 rides in one in my front right side pocket. Robert Mika is also a good guy.

http://www.frontiernet.net/~akim/prodnfo.html

Cliff

[Path4]

A fly in the ointment!!
Well, I decided on the CM9. I hope to pick it up tomorrow as I ran out of time today. The black PM had the 2 standard clips and standard sites, so it was not a real special deal.
With the money I save on the CM9 I can buy 1-2 holsters to try out. Planning on getting a Remora for pocket/IWB carry. I will also look at the PJ setup, and maybe some others depending on how I like those.
Thanks for all of the help. This is a nice forum to be a part of.

I would have made the same decision, good call. I love my crossbreed mini tuck as I only have leather up against my body and after a week or so it conforms to the shape of your body. Its easy to forget its there. BUT, I havent tried the PJ holster, its ultra-slim design looks very appealing.

[mluikey]

two gun blunt nose PM9 owner IMO the finest gun kahr ever made,I would still tell u to BUY THE cm9.

actually we have only two membersof the PMJ blunt nose club, and I knda like to keep it small. Just sayiin:der:

Hey Jocko, add another member to the list of blunt nose PM9s. I have one too.

[jocko]

grerat. Bawanna says we have to come up with 20 blunt nose owners before we can adopta "club insignia. I think we are up to 3 now, so we have some work to do. Great gun though. Just sayin

[Bawanna]

Sure, sure, blame everything on bawanna. It's all his fault.

[jocko]

well it is!!!

[Bawanna]

Well I know but we don't need to dwell on it and advertise to the whole world.

This is internet, you want the whole world to know I worthless I am? Hmmm.

I started to say you want the whole world to know I badly I suck but I figured you'd take that right down to the gutter and make something crude out of it and give me even more of a bad rep.

[jocko]

oh yes I certainly would have, not sure even that I won';t try anyhow..

[Short Bus]

Paul's turnaround time is quick. May be a little slower than when I got mine because so many Kahrtalk members are now buying his holsters! :) I'm telling you, he uses thin kydex (which is still incredibly strong) so the holster isn't too stiff and rock hard. Believe me, this holster sits so comfortably against your body that it becomes a part of you and you literally cannot feel it or the gun there. Paul realy has a remarkable talent!
From PJ's site:

"In order to maintain my high level of quality, I’m currently Running 2-3 weeks until shipment."

For me my P9 is my only handgun so I didn't want to wait for a holster again (I had to wait 1-1.5 months for a Theis holster for the LC9 I had). I like the Trapp and I'll admit the grass looks a little greener with the PJ, but I needed a holster a little quicker. + the Foxx is a little cheaper :)

[Mikerc]

Thought The cm9 was rated for +p loads only?

[jocko]

up to +P but not just +P.

[JFootin]

From PJ's site:

"In order to maintain my high level of quality, I’m currently Running 2-3 weeks until shipment."

For me my P9 is my only handgun so I didn't want to wait for a holster again (I had to wait 1-1.5 months for a Theis holster for the LC9 I had). I like the Trapp and I'll admit the grass looks a little greener with the PJ, but I needed a holster a little quicker. + the Foxx is a little cheaper :)

Hey, 2-3 weeks is quick in the custom made holster world! Popularity and return customers makes for the wait. Quicker and cheaper usually isn't as satisfying a result. Just sayin'...

[keving]

Just to clean up a little from my OP, I now have my first Kahr firearm.
Came home with a new CM9 tonight.
Hope to get to the range soon to start the break-in.

Thanks for all of the advise here, I am sure I will have much more to learn as I start shooting.