jeep45238
03-10-2010, 07:10 AM
Yes, this is a serious question.
I've got some investors, some tooling, some time, insurance quotes, and capital - just looking for a place to rent in an area whose zoning won't interfere.
I'm looking at starting my 06 FFL, which is to for the production and sale of ammunition. I'm more than aware that I won't be able to compete with Winchester White Box of Federal ammunition in regards to FMJ standard pressure ammunition. Thus, I need to work on a corner of the market, and the market which I think has a large demand right now is low recoil practice ammunition.
This would also be if interest to competitive shooters who do not reload, since there will be less recoil, your time between shots will be less. The benefit to those practicing for self defense would be trigger and recoil management skills, which can be refined using low recoil ammunition, and verified with full house loads. This is where I'm asking you if you would be willing to buy ammunition online, and what you believe would be a fair price to pay. Without this information, I can't really look into if it's feasable to go through with this idea all the way.
Keep in mind that I need to cover rent, insurance, ITAR, powder, primers, tooling, raw materials if using cast bullets, brass casings, federal excise tax, capital gains taxes, and long term have enough of a profit margin to re-invest in the company in the form of faster production, while still being able to feed and clothe myself.
I can foreseeably supply 600,000 cartridges per year at a minimum without automating any of my process, and would need to sell at least 500,000 cartridges per year.
The ammunition I make is done with cleaned, polished, and inspected range pickup ammunition. I get a vast majority of my .40 and 9mm brass from police ranges, so it's all once fired. Powder is varied by caliber, and the charge is selected to minimize muzzle flash while pursuing accuracy and low recoil. The proper charge is weighed at random intervals, and there is a mechanical locking system that will halt production if the powder charge is to little or to great.
I cast my own bullets, and the ammunition loaded with cast bullets is cheaper than FMJ bullets by a fair margin, and thus will save the end user money. Since we're going for cheaper ammunition that's reliable and accurate, I'm in the talks with Rainer bullets about bulk orders of over 50,000 bullets per caliber/weight/type.
Rainer is from the shooter's standpoint full metal jacket - it's simply a copper plated lead bullet, that uses less copper, so it's cheaper from a reloading standpoint. This ammunition would be more expensive, but has the benefit of having a large factory giving supply.
My plan to offer accurate ammunition that's garanteed to cycle a cleaned/oiled gun is simple. The first order of ammunition would essentially be a test group, a box of 50 with 5 different powder levels in it. The end user will test each one and ideally choose the one that has the best mixture of reliability, accuracy, and recoil for that gun. Each charge will have it's own part number, which will allow the end user to easily order the same ammunition specification, which is important if they own multiple guns in the same caliber and wish to tailor a load to each gun (such as a .45ACP revolver, 5" .45ACP 1911, and a PM45).
Dimensions will be kept within blueprinted dimensions for that caliber. However, I am willing to create a customized loading for your gun if you send me the barrel and magazine, which will allow me to check for proper cartridge length for the barrel, crimp, and that it will fully load and unload from a magazine. The cylinder will be necessary for revolvers, as well as the end user slugging a cleaned lightly oiled barrel and sending that slug with the cylinder. Parts will be returned along with the ammunition, and a personalized serial number issued for each possible combination. This will incur an extra one time fee of $70, and all ammunition would be sold $1 per box above standard offerings. To help keep the brass supply, I would be willing to give credit towards ammunition for all returned brass.
So, what would you be willing to pay per box for custom made, low recoil target/practice ammo in your given guns?
I've got some investors, some tooling, some time, insurance quotes, and capital - just looking for a place to rent in an area whose zoning won't interfere.
I'm looking at starting my 06 FFL, which is to for the production and sale of ammunition. I'm more than aware that I won't be able to compete with Winchester White Box of Federal ammunition in regards to FMJ standard pressure ammunition. Thus, I need to work on a corner of the market, and the market which I think has a large demand right now is low recoil practice ammunition.
This would also be if interest to competitive shooters who do not reload, since there will be less recoil, your time between shots will be less. The benefit to those practicing for self defense would be trigger and recoil management skills, which can be refined using low recoil ammunition, and verified with full house loads. This is where I'm asking you if you would be willing to buy ammunition online, and what you believe would be a fair price to pay. Without this information, I can't really look into if it's feasable to go through with this idea all the way.
Keep in mind that I need to cover rent, insurance, ITAR, powder, primers, tooling, raw materials if using cast bullets, brass casings, federal excise tax, capital gains taxes, and long term have enough of a profit margin to re-invest in the company in the form of faster production, while still being able to feed and clothe myself.
I can foreseeably supply 600,000 cartridges per year at a minimum without automating any of my process, and would need to sell at least 500,000 cartridges per year.
The ammunition I make is done with cleaned, polished, and inspected range pickup ammunition. I get a vast majority of my .40 and 9mm brass from police ranges, so it's all once fired. Powder is varied by caliber, and the charge is selected to minimize muzzle flash while pursuing accuracy and low recoil. The proper charge is weighed at random intervals, and there is a mechanical locking system that will halt production if the powder charge is to little or to great.
I cast my own bullets, and the ammunition loaded with cast bullets is cheaper than FMJ bullets by a fair margin, and thus will save the end user money. Since we're going for cheaper ammunition that's reliable and accurate, I'm in the talks with Rainer bullets about bulk orders of over 50,000 bullets per caliber/weight/type.
Rainer is from the shooter's standpoint full metal jacket - it's simply a copper plated lead bullet, that uses less copper, so it's cheaper from a reloading standpoint. This ammunition would be more expensive, but has the benefit of having a large factory giving supply.
My plan to offer accurate ammunition that's garanteed to cycle a cleaned/oiled gun is simple. The first order of ammunition would essentially be a test group, a box of 50 with 5 different powder levels in it. The end user will test each one and ideally choose the one that has the best mixture of reliability, accuracy, and recoil for that gun. Each charge will have it's own part number, which will allow the end user to easily order the same ammunition specification, which is important if they own multiple guns in the same caliber and wish to tailor a load to each gun (such as a .45ACP revolver, 5" .45ACP 1911, and a PM45).
Dimensions will be kept within blueprinted dimensions for that caliber. However, I am willing to create a customized loading for your gun if you send me the barrel and magazine, which will allow me to check for proper cartridge length for the barrel, crimp, and that it will fully load and unload from a magazine. The cylinder will be necessary for revolvers, as well as the end user slugging a cleaned lightly oiled barrel and sending that slug with the cylinder. Parts will be returned along with the ammunition, and a personalized serial number issued for each possible combination. This will incur an extra one time fee of $70, and all ammunition would be sold $1 per box above standard offerings. To help keep the brass supply, I would be willing to give credit towards ammunition for all returned brass.
So, what would you be willing to pay per box for custom made, low recoil target/practice ammo in your given guns?