D H S ammo purchasing

[les strat]

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-200-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/

(This same article is on many different siites, not just this one)

That's a bunch off ammo.

Also read this (http://info.publicintelligence.net/USAMPS-CivilDisturbanceOps.pdf) when you have some time.

[ripley16]

Jeez, not another ammo thread. I wonder how much toilet paper the U.S. buys in a year. Should we be concerned? How many pens are consumed by government employees each year. I bet they're preparing for some takeover. Yeah... that's it.

[tv_racin_fan]

What I find funny is that people do not question how much ammo was purchased for DHS under President Bush. Turns out some 825 million was requested under President Bush.

[Longitude Zero]

When you consider how much amm many local LEO agencies burn thru a year these numbers do not give me cause for concern about some nefarious purposes.

[ltxi]

They instantly lose me when they start out by ranting about gov't agencies buying bullets. The ones complaining about ammunition buys get my attention for 73 seconds.

[les strat]

I guess my problem is that we have folks overseas in the military that are under ammo'd, but our DHS has over a billion rounds ordered in the past few months? This isn't the SS dept buying a few thousand rounds. That is a crapload of ammo... far more than any LEO purchase. We are talking over a billion. IMO, our actual military could stand the $ more than the frikkin DHS. I still do not know what they're purpose really is.

[tv_racin_fan]

Actually they have requested or ordered about 2 billion rounds since DHS got formed. It hasn't been in just the last few months.

[ripley16]

You do realize that the number of agencies under the control of DHS is huge. Among them the; FBI, CIA, Coast Guard, DEA, BATF, Treasury and INS, as well as many others, (about 40 in all). We are talking a very large number of armed law enforcement and military folks.

What nefarious purpose is it that you see in this?


we have folks overseas in the military that are under ammo'd

Who?

[ltxi]

All just the usual uninformed, conspiracy theorist blather.

[JohnR]

And our embassy guards have how much ammo, again?

[downtownv]

And our embassy guards have how much ammo, again?

Answer: Not enough!

[JohnR]

Answer: none where it needs to be.

[les strat]

All just the usual uninformed, conspiracy theorist blather.

Uninformed? Really?

There were several on here a year or so ago that assured a real 2A attack by our govt and the UN in the works was just a big conspiracy theory. "won't ever happen here." Those folks were wrong. Our govt is just as corrupt as any other at this point. Don't think bad stuff will never happen here. That elitism mentality is what brings down countries to rubble. I think we have seen enough political abuse in the last 4 years (more actually) that anyone with any sense would be overly wary.

It's always a good thing to perk an ear up every now and then. A real patriot questions, not always supports.


And our embassy guards have how much ammo, again?

That was really my point. Then the ostriches came out yelling conspiracy theory.

[JohnR]

There have been no Muslim terror attacks in the 50 states, too many armed people. Most likely they've launched terror attacks against embassies because they knew they were unarmed.

Ft. Hood is an exception, but he attacked a place full of unarmed soldiers.

I've said before, the government is arming up for the same reason you and I are. Just not sure who they perceive to be the enemy.

[ripley16]

Again I ask, who is "under ammo'd". If you are refering to the Consulate attack in Benghazi, Libya, you are aware and do realize that the battle lasted five hours and the attackers were eventually driven off. This indicates, at least to me, that the couple of armed security guards in the Consulate, (not an Embassy), were pretty well armed and trained. Five against 125 are bad odds for any fight, and IMHO, the guys there performed above and beyond, and I give credit where credit is earned.

The link to MP training is what, evidence of totalitarian movement? Perhaps you are too young to remember armed federal troops in the streets of Washington D. C., as well as other instances more recent. They were used to qwell Civil Disturbances. I prefer them to be trained and prepared to handle mobs. Do you prefer them untrained, unprepared and absent?


It's always a good thing to perk an ear up every now and then. A real patriot questions, not always supports.

Alerting your fellow patriots to a falling sky, where none is falling is however folly. In this case there is no "there" there. These normal and routine ammo buys are not an important story.

[fitpro]

The haji incident at Ft. Hood killed Michael Cahill, the only civilian who died, and he was a citizen of Cameron, Texas, my hometown of about 5,500 souls. He charged the shooter with a chair, allowing a few people to escape, but he was gunned down That attack hit pretty close to my heart and I hope we can execute that muslim bastard asap. RIP, Mr. Cahill.

[ltxi]

Uninformed? Really?

There were several on here a year or so ago that assured a real 2A attack by our govt and the UN in the works was just a big conspiracy theory. "won't ever happen here." Those folks were wrong. Our govt is just as corrupt as any other at this point. Don't think bad stuff will never happen here. That elitism mentality is what brings down countries to rubble. I think we have seen enough political abuse in the last 4 years (more actually) that anyone with any sense would be overly wary.

It's always a good thing to perk an ear up every now and then. A real patriot questions, not always supports.



That was really my point. Then the ostriches came out yelling conspiracy theory.


All just the usual uninformed, conspiracy theorist blather.

[muggsy]

And our embassy guards have how much ammo, again?

What embassy guards?

[muggsy]

Someone tell me why a cabinet agency that employs 200,000 needs a billion+ rounds of ammunition. I'll bet that less than 1/4 of those employees carry a gun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Homeland_Security

[RedRyder]

I guess my problem is that we have folks overseas in the military that are under ammo'd, but our DHS has over a billion rounds ordered in the past few months? This isn't the SS dept buying a few thousand rounds. That is a crapload of ammo... far more than any LEO purchase. We are talking over a billion. IMO, our actual military could stand the $ more than the frikkin DHS. I still do not know what they're purpose really is.

The Border Patrol in under DHS also and I know they burn thru an enormous amount of ammo just south of here at the Fed Law Enforcement Training Facility in Artesia, NM. When you also figure the BP all over and their training needs, doesn't sound like a lot especially with all the other agencies involved too.

[downtownv]

And our embassy guards have how much ammo, again?
Obviously not enough:mad:

[DKD]

You all can call it what you will, but I for one don't trust the current imposter in charge as far as I can throw him, that includes the entire administration.
Since when is being concerned and on guard a conspiracy theory????? What about all the miliarization of our local police forces and tactical training that has been going on right under our very noses????
I am not an an alarmist just a realist who can connect the dots that even a blind man should be able to follow. I am a student of history and the path we are on is quite clear folks. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
We are in fact sacrificing our civil liberties under the vail of public safety. We the people are the only ones that can gaurantee our safety not the town, state, or the Federal Government.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.....better be prepared than sorry for later if and when the SHF, it will be too late. America is the last bastion of freedom in the world...honor her, proptect her, cherish our freedoms & heritage. I quote the US Army's Seal which states "This we will defend" I take to heart today as I did when I took the oath as a commisioned officer in the US Army Infantry. This includes all enemies both forgeign and domestic.

[muggsy]

Amen, brother. You got that straight. I took the same oath and my word is my bond.

[DKD]

Muggsy,

I am glad that I am not alone out here. It can be mighty comforting to have like minded individuals in and next to my foxhole. I will have your back my friend, you can count on that!
Even If I were alone it still wouldn't matter. I was "Airborne" all the way baby! As an airbonre soldier, our airborne creed which is a part of who we are as soldiers in such units: I am an Airborne soldier, we are always outnumbered and surrounded, we will hold until relieved, Surrender is not in our creed, we will fight through on our mission though if we are the last survivor. I will never dishonor myself, unit, oath, or the brave men that came before me. On matters of primciple Stand firm, End of conversation. All others feel free to kiss my rebel arse.

[ripley16]

I will never dishonor myself

How about those that came after you? While you two are in your foxhole together, I might remind you that the people you are so fearful of, those who are the end users of the ammo in question, have also taken oaths, and also dedicate themselves to certain principles. Are you better than them or more dedicated than they? IMHO, you are doing them a huge disservice and even insulting those few that now stand on the wall. Shame on you. You should know better.

[JohnR]

LMAO, Obama took an oath too. No one holds anyone to their oaths any more.

[ripley16]

No one holds anyone to their oaths any more.

The Marines here at Quantico would take issue with that remark.

I'm surprised and a bit shocked to hear how little regard and respect some of you have for our military and law enforcement personnel. We are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

[fitpro]

The Marines here at Quantico would take issue with that remark.

I'm surprised and a bit shocked to hear how little regard and respect some of you have for our military and law enforcement personnel. We are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

^^^I agree 100%!

[les strat]

I don't think anyone is disrespecting anyone in the military, but rather the ones who are above them as the guys in uniform do what they are told from the pres down. BUT it is their duty to go against orders if it down comes to Constitutional issues concerning citizens, which is what they are to protect. It's the people in charge who you have to keep an eye on.

A true patriot questions. Sheep follow with blind faith.

So everybody, nothing to see here, our pres is great, no rights will ever be trampled, we will never fall, and all that stuff. Libya terrorist attacks, Fast and Furious, and all the bad stuff that happens is all just conspiracy. It's all good and honest.:rolleyes:

I didn't mean for this thread to turn into this and Bawanna can close it if he wants. It was just a read for people to be informed on.

[JohnR]

Don't be so quick to dismiss military exercises on US soil as "nothing."


ST. LOUIS (AP) — Doris Spates was a baby when her father died inexplicably in 1955. She has watched four siblings die of cancer, and she survived cervical cancer.
After learning that the Army conducted secret chemical testing in her impoverished St. Louis neighborhood at the height of the Cold War, she wonders if her own government is to blame.

http://news.yahoo.com/secret-cold-war-tests-st-louis-raise-concerns-214608828.html