New Member and New PM9 - Sight Issue

[fiddlers]

I could use some input from those with a PM9.

I just bought and shot my PM9 with Meprolite night sights and at 15 yards was hitting 2.5" high with various ammunition... have others experienced this?

[hardluk1]

yes in different directions. Some fixed sight handguns shoot high or low. How far away are you is your pistol shooting to get the 2.5" high. Just adjust your sight picture. Hold the front sight a bit low or just aim low. Let a buddy try it and see if he has the same high shooting issues. Also try shooting off a rest from a bench to be sure its just the sights. Learn what it needs at different distances and adjust.

[jocko]

I could use some input from those with a PM9.

I just bought and shot my PM9 with Meprolite night sights and at 15 yards was hitting 2.5" high with various ammunition... have others experienced this?

ur sight picture.

[340pd]

Two thoughts.
1. Bullet weight will have an effect on how high a gun shoots. Heavier bullets tend to raise the point of impact.

2. Carefully check your sight picture. Three dot sight pictures vary on different guns.
Link shows three different options with the same sight.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/sightimages.jpg&imgrefurl=http://pistol-training.com/archives/1361&h=221&w=453&sz=12&tbnid=1PVHXQgsyqtQLM:&tbnh=53&tbnw=109&zoom=1&usg=__yvi_j6ehJXpPLOC-FhCJc5N4Avo=&docid=CA-XbwE-SnfVKM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vll0ULvQL4mMyQGe64DICQ&ved=0CCYQ9QEwAg&dur=227

[wyntrout]

It also matters whether you are using the top of the DOT or the top of the POST... aligned with the tops of the rear sights.

Jeez... at 15 yards I'm happy to get on a pie plate or sheet of paper, especially offhand and firing quickly... as would probably happen in a gunfight... while seeking cover and trying to avoid getting SHOT!

Wynn:)

[fiddlers]

Thanks for all you input, to date.

I just bought this pistol and have fired 200 round of various ammunition so far without any issue.
I plan to run another 15 types of defensive ammunition thru it tomorrow. I have been surprised by the pistols performance.
I am planning to make it my EDC pistol along with my Seecamp LWS32.

My only complaints so far, are the long trigger pull at about 8 pounds and it shoots 2.5" center high at 15 yards. For a small pistol, it is extremely accurate.

I have 3 dot sights on many pistols and shoot them at position #2. This pistol has to be shot at position #1.
I intend to use and arm rest and will find our the results, shortly. The range master had the same results, we shoot 1911's and Sig's in competition.

[Alfonse]

By my standards, if you're hitting within 2.5 inches of where you're aiming, you're golden! But, I'm admittedly not the best shooter on the forum.

Still, I'm impressed when somebody takes it to tenths of inches.

Glad you're enjoying your Kahr!

[jocko]

I qagree with alphonse. at15 yards and 2" high, most would kill toshoot that good. It ain't a target gun, the looong tyrigger takes care of that. My bet is itis in no way an 8# triger pulll either, certainly after a few hundred rounds it will settle dow in the 6+ POUND RANGE. mOST ALL DO.
1911'S ARE NOT IN The SAME CLASS AS THE pm9, WEIGHT, BARREL LE

U sNGTH, TRIGGER PULL ETC. ACCEPT IT, WORK AT IT, MORE IF U CAN SHOOT THAT GOOD AT 15 YARDS, THINK WHAT UR GONNA DO AT 7 YARDS, THAT IS WHERE THAT GUN SHINES, NOT AT 15+ YARDS

U should not complain about the long trigger pll, it is there by design, u should have researched that out before u bought it.

range master???? change ur sight picture if u need to drop 2" down. The day I shoot a 2" high group at 15 yards I will frame that for sure. Just sayin

[fiddlers]

I qagree with alphonse. at15 yards and 2" high, most would kill toshoot that good. It ain't a target gun, the looong tyrigger takes care of that. My bet is itis in no way an 8# triger pulll either, certainly after a few hundred rounds it will settle dow in the 6+ POUND RANGE. mOST ALL DO.
1911'S ARE NOT IN The SAME CLASS AS THE pm9, WEIGHT, BARREL LE

U sNGTH, TRIGGER PULL ETC. ACCEPT IT, WORK AT IT, MORE IF U CAN SHOOT THAT GOOD AT 15 YARDS, THINK WHAT UR GONNA DO AT 7 YARDS, THAT IS WHERE THAT GUN SHINES, NOT AT 15+ YARDS

U should not complain about the long trigger pll, it is there by design, u should have researched that out before u bought it.

range master???? change ur sight picture if u need to drop 2" down. The day I shoot a 2" high group at 15 yards I will frame that for sure. Just sayin

Thanks again. I knew what I was buying and bought it after shooting one (owned by my range master) with XS sights and a 5 pound trigger pull. The pistol is capable of a tight group and I agree the pull will come in at 6.5 pound over time. It does break clean.
I prefer it over my Boberg XR9-S which is also one heck of a small 9mm with a smooth 6 pound trigger pull.

[jocko]

u can get a 5# striker sring from wolffs and it drops right in, doesn't shorten trigger travel but sure sweetens up the trigger system alot. Not a hairy trigger either as the travel never changes.

We got anutter Boberg 9 owner on ths fourm, I am sure he willbe along shortly. Xs sights IMO are awesome but certainly not target sights. I think they even tellyou somewhere ouot at 15yars it overs the entire target, made for clse up fast acquisition, and it does it well. I can tell u fro alot of rounds out of my PMJ9 that I would shoot horrible at 15 yards, I neever practice at that distace either. I don't shoot it good atr 7-10 yards so why further depress myself at 15+ yards. I accept that though, as IJMO is the finest pocket 9 I have ever owned. One can find good and bad in damn near every gun. My G19 Ishoot the eyes out of it, amazes me even, THE BAD. the fokker does not fit in my frontpocket. Just sayin

[sierrajb]

fiddlers, I second jocko's advice. That Kahr trigger takes some getting used to, especially by 1911 shooters. You can't shoot them like the same gun and expect the same results. Keep bonding with that PM9, and you can expect your own results to improve over time.

[jocko]

More than likel;y if it shot like a 1911, IT IS A 1911. Just sayin

[fiddlers]

u can get a 5# striker sring from wolffs and it drops right in, doesn't shorten trigger travel but sure sweetens up the trigger system alot. Not a hairy trigger either as the travel never changes.

We got anutter Boberg 9 owner on ths fourm, I am sure he willbe along shortly. Xs sights IMO are awesome but certainly not target sights. I think they even tellyou somewhere ouot at 15yars it overs the entire target, made for clse up fast acquisition, and it does it well. I can tell u fro alot of rounds out of my PMJ9 that I would shoot horrible at 15 yards, I neever practice at that distace either. I don't shoot it good atr 7-10 yards so why further depress myself at 15+ yards. I accept that though, as IJMO is the finest pocket 9 I have ever owned. One can find good and bad in damn near every gun. My G19 Ishoot the eyes out of it, amazes me even, THE BAD. the fokker does not fit in my frontpocket. Just sayin

Thanks, I will pick up a wolff spring. With some practice and the right spring I believe I can shot the PM9 as well as my Sig P238's. They obviously have S/A triggers. For close up I carry and shoot a Seecamp LWS32. It does not have any sights, but is a great belly pistol. Here they are:
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af5/jlierman/Decorated%20images/EDC%20Pistols/PICT2605.jpg
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af5/jlierman/Kahr%20PM9%20Black%20with%20Meprolight%20Night%20S ights/PICT3548.jpg

[jocko]

gunsprings.com

while ur at it, but a 3 pak of the 5% extra strength mag springs for ur 6 round magazine. Nice little feature.

[MW surveyor]

What jocko says (but then again, the guy only has 162 posts so believe at your own risk :) ). Get that 5 lb striker spring. It does make a difference.

[fiddlers]

gunsprings.com

while ur at it, but a 3 pak of the 5% extra strength mag springs for ur 6 round magazine. Nice little feature.

All good advice. Thanks.

[bonjorno2]

ok, i am going to take the cm9 out and see what kind of distance I can put on it... I took a few fun head shots with my m-9 a few weeks ago at 30 meters and to my surprise I hit 5 times out of 11 shots or so.

[fiddlers]

The PM9 is indeed the most impressive small (pocket) 9mm pistol I have experienced and better than all 380ACP pistols I have shot or owned (10), accept the Sig P230/2. However, I have not shot the Kahr 380ACP.

Bottom line, I shot a magazine each full of 15 defensive rounds and 5 ball ammunitions today without a single failure. I can not say that for all but one of three of my Sig P232's. WOW!! I can not say this for my Boberg XR9-S or most full sized 9mm pistols I have owned or shot. I have been shooting pistols for 50 years. This pistol is as reliable as a revolver which I often carry.

So what went wrong.. Not everything is perfect and the pistol will go back to Kahr Arms for service. The following need a little help:

• The sights shoot 3/4" high and 2" left to center of aim at 10 yards. These are Meprolite 3 dot night sights.
• The trigger is not always breaking clean and smooth. I prefer a 6 to 5 pound trigger pull and hoped for better results after 300 rounds.
• The slide is blackened SS and starting to show pitting an one side, already.

With some trigger and sight work, i hope to make this my EDC pistol.

Here is a shot of it compared to my XR9-S.

http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/af5/jlierman/Kahr%20PM9%20Black%20with%20Meprolight%20Night%20S ights/PICT3537.jpg

[bonjorno2]

that's a nifty looking 9mm, i'd be interested in shooting one to see what type of recoil it has!

[jocko]

ur rear sight is driftable, that will take care of the lefts, and a different sight picture will bring it down to.. Here is my take on that. 3/4" aint worth looses 1 minute of sleep over at 10 yards, the left part is correctable by just moving a tad the rear sight.

the slide part, if its bad, kahr will take care of it.

If u want a 5# or so trigger buy the wolffs 5# striker spring and ur good to go. Kahrs trigger are in the 6-7# range. It is what it is there.

quite possably u have not put a couple hundred rounds through the gun yet either, or at least u did not state that. Kahrs really seem to get a different life after a few hundred rounds.

Mayb eu have bu tif hot I would suggest a thorough cleaning of the striker channel, eithe rtotal disassembly or usi that clean out hole on the bottom of the slide to blow out what evermight be lodged in there. Wehave seen alot of crud come out of that striker channel from new out of te box kahrs and after that the trigger system again tends to get back on tract..

Kahr does not sight guns in, they test fire for groups but not dead center stuff. A shooter will shoot in his own gun. I being a lefty, my grupls tend to be right of center and my rear sight has been moved by me to compensate my shooting errors. and its noticealble to.

[fiddlers]

that's a nifty looking 9mm, i'd be interested in shooting one to see what type of recoil it has!

The XR9 has light recoil.

[340pd]

Does your Boberg eject casings 25' behind you at 100mph?

[fiddlers]

Does your Boberg eject casings 25' behind you at 100mph?

Yes. It also beans me in the forehead occasionally.

[fiddlers]

I have 300 rounds thru my PM9, now.
I listed the issues and Fed-ex picked up the pistol, today. My feeling is that after paying a lot for the little guy Kahr, not me, should fix all that is wrong. We shall see.

[fiddlers]

I got the PM9 back from Kahr after they replaced, not the sights but, the barrel.
All is well and it shoots right on center at 10 yards.
I fired another 15 types of ammunition without failure.
This is now my EDC pistol.

[rjt123]

I got the PM9 back from Kahr after they replaced, not the sights but, the barrel.
All is well and it shoots right on center at 10 yards.
I fired another 15 types of ammunition without failure.
This is now my EDC pistol.

I love a happy ending...

:D