CM9 AIWB Carry

[fender1974]

I carry several other guns (LCP, PF-9 and S&W 638) aiwb and find that it's the most comfortable carry for me and also conceals the best for me. The the 638 there is a long/heavy trigger pull that puts my mind at ease and with the LCP there is also that long/heavy trigger pull and only a "half cocked" hammer that "should not contain enough energy to set off a round should it fall without the trigger being pulled".

With the CM9 being striker fired, ia aiwb still safe? I believe that I read that the striker was not fully "primed" until the trigger is pulled, but I want to be sure that it's the case and should it release without a trigger pull that it won't have enough energy behind it to discharge a round.

Any help or words of advice on this would be greatly appreciated.

Note: I've had my CM9 for a few months now, have broken it it an dlove the feel of it. Ready to now stary working it into the rotation, but want to be sure that it's "as safe" as the others that I choose to carry.

[JERRY]

Yes its safe.

[JFootin]

Yes, the Kahr striker is only patially cocked and there is a striker block that isn't released until the trigger is fully pulled. That is the #1 feature of the Kahr trigger system, that it is safe to carry with a round in the chamber.

That said, I find that my 638 rides better AIWB than does my CM9 or my TCP. In fact, it is my favorite carry setup. I carry my 638 AIWB at 10:30 (lefty) in a Stays-Put Ultra Pocket Holster (http://www.concealmentspecialties.com/products.html), riding low with a backward cant which makes the grip lay down horizontally just above my belt and overshadowed by my middle-aged spread, making an untucked shirt drape with no printing. The cant also moves the muzzle to the right so it doesn't jamb against my leg when I sit down, and it also presents the gun at a better angle for drawing.

[fender1974]

Yes, the Kahr striker is only patially cocked and there is a striker block that isn't released until the trigger is fully pulled. That is the #1 feature of the Kahr trigger system, that it is safe to carry with a round in the chamber.

That said, I find that my 638 rides better AIWB than does my CM9 or my TCP. In fact, it is my favorite carry setup. I carry my 638 AIWB at 10:30 (lefty) in a Stays-Put Ultra Pocket Holster (http://www.concealmentspecialties.com/products.html), riding low with a backward cant which makes the grip lay down horizontally just above my belt and overshadowed by my middle-aged spread, making an untucked shirt drape with no printing. The cant also moves the muzzle to the right so it doesn't jamb against my leg when I sit down, and it also presents the gun at a better angle for drawing.

I agree with you that my 638 is my favorite carry right now. Easily the most comfortable. I carry at 12:30, it's right in the front. Took me a little while to become comfortable with something right there, but I feel most confident with it in this position and really don't have any issues with printing.

Thank you for the follow-up on the striker only being partially cocked. I also have a G19 and G23 that I enjoy taking to the range and would like to start carrying, but with both having a fully cocked striker, it's kept me from doing so... so far.

[muggsy]

At my age AIWB isn't as big of a concern as it was when I was younger. Just sayin' :)

[Path4]

Im not sure this is true, but have read before that a firearm has never gone off in a holster that properly encases the trigger. I have tried (with unloaded firearms) to pull the trigger with my CM9 in a crossbreed holster and J-frame revolver in a don hume holster (i hate that holster btw, YMMV), trying the most ridiculous things but cannot pull the trigger. Just be especially careful reholstering as your manhood may be in the line of fire! :eek:

BTW - The PJ holster seems like an excellent choice for AIWB. I believe Jfootin uses one for AIWB and has stuck with it after trying several other holsters. I am seriously considering ordering one so I can try AIWB carry, as I have only carried at 4 o'clock with my CM9.

[Path4]

The the 638 there is a long/heavy trigger pull that puts my mind at ease and with the LCP there is also that long/heavy trigger pull and only a "half cocked" hammer that "should not contain enough energy to set off a round should it fall without the trigger being pulled".


Don't quote me on this, but almost all modern semi-autos have striker block/firing pin safeties which should prevent that from occurring. I believe this would be a bigger factor than trigger pull weight.

[JERRY]

one of the reasons i dont subscribe to the serpa holsters is that it requires your trigger finger to do things other than press the trigger.

i train so that my trigger finger on either hand does nothing by itself other than press the trigger. muscle memory is key to training.

whatever holster you use which also covers the trigger guard area will work. i simply wont buy a gun that can fire without pressing the trigger.

[kerby9mm]

Which type of gun is made that will fire without pulling the trigger? I would think that a voice command system would be nice for target shooting. LOL.

[JERRY]

Which type of gun is made that will fire without pulling the trigger? I would think that a voice command system would be nice for target shooting. LOL.


all the guns that were used in "accidental" discharges or where the "gun went off".....

[PattayaPistol]

Which type of gun is made that will fire without pulling the trigger?

Yes, I would like to know that also, but with a little more info than simply those involved in accidental discharges.

Cheers
PP

[fitpro]

I carry my CM9 exclusively for pocket carry in a Robert Mika holster. I carry a Glock 19 AIWB witha Dale Fricke "Zach" holster and a "clipdraw." It is a very minimalist approach but also very safe. The Zach covers the trigger guard and is tied off on my first right hand belt loop. Through trial and error I have it at a length where the Zach pops off just as the muzzle clears my waist. The clipdraw keeps it in the same place all the time so when I reach down to grip the pistol it is exactly where I expect it to be..

This setup would work well with the CM9 and there is no way the gun could be fired with the Zach in place. My CM9 disappears in my pocket so I haven't bothered to use this set up with it but it would make the CM9 invisible AIWB.

[sharpenit]

Im not sure this is true, but have read before that a firearm has never gone off in a holster that properly encases the trigger. I have tried (with unloaded firearms) to pull the trigger with my CM9 in a crossbreed holster and J-frame revolver in a don hume holster (i hate that holster btw, YMMV), trying the most ridiculous things but cannot pull the trigger. Just be especially careful reholstering as your manhood may be in the line of fire! :eek:

BTW - The PJ holster seems like an excellent choice for AIWB. I believe Jfootin uses one for AIWB and has stuck with it after trying several other holsters. I am seriously considering ordering one so I can try AIWB carry, as I have only carried at 4 o'clock with my CM9.

After trying three or four different AIWB holsters, I finally got a PJ Holster. I love it. Light, thin, invisible, comfortable, safe and instantly accessible.

[fender1974]

After trying three or four different AIWB holsters, I finally got a PJ Holster. I love it. Light, thin, invisible, comfortable, safe and instantly accessible.

And carrying AIWB (I carry at about the 12:30 position), it doesn't dig into your leg or anything else? I've stayed away from kydex so far based on the lack of flexability and for fear that it may wear the finish on the gun prematurely. I'm willing to give it a try, but want to make sure that it's not going to be uncomfortable in my carry position.

Note: I've tried carrying at different positions (2:00, 3:00 and 4:00) and have found that I print this way and also find it quite a bit more uncomfortable.

[sharpenit]

And carrying AIWB (I carry at about the 12:30 position), it doesn't dig into your leg or anything else? I've stayed away from kydex so far based on the lack of flexability and for fear that it may wear the finish on the gun prematurely. I'm willing to give it a try, but want to make sure that it's not going to be uncomfortable in my carry position.

Note: I've tried carrying at different positions (2:00, 3:00 and 4:00) and have found that I print this way and also find it quite a bit more uncomfortable.

In the appendix-carry position, the gun and holster do not dig into me anywhere, standing or sitting. I think this is because the CM9 is so short. Of course, this may vary from individual to individual, given the many different body shapes. If my waist is longer than yours, then I won't have a problem and maybe you will. I suppose waist size will have an effect, too. I'm 5' 11", 190 pounds with a 35-inch waist.

I am hardly aware of the kydex. It doesn't cause me to sweat, doesn't rub or irritate my skin and I've noticed no wear on my gun after using the holster daily for four or five months.

I agree on 2:00, 3:00 and 4:00 carry, it just doesn't feel comfortable to me.