p380 update-more trouble

[socialwork911]

ok..here is the history...one day shooting, cracked frame, 3 weeks later kahr replaces it..it happens

shoots great-bring it home remove slide, and the flange on the recoil spring guide cracks off..call kahr, 2 days late a new one is in the mail..great

go to range to shoot....4 mags, every shot works..even the extened mag works....then I get a FTE...shoots and case stays in barrel....try another same thing....bring it out of range to inspect....the extractor is cracked off..spring and all.....

kahr is closed due to storm.....I don't know why this gun doesn't like me..all I want to do is shoot lead and CC it:40:

I haven't given up on it yet...but how much more????????????

anyone have this happen? I know Kahr will fix it..but, should I even ask, what more could happen/??:eek:

I hope kahr is open late in the week....and they should pay for shipping....

[Cokeman]

Wow! What are you shooting, exploding rounds?

[jocko]

ok..here is the history...one day shooting, cracked frame, 3 weeks later kahr replaces it..it happens

shoots great-bring it home remove slide, and the flange on the recoil spring guide cracks off..call kahr, 2 days late a new one is in the mail..great

go to range to shoot....4 mags, every shot works..even the extened mag works....then I get a FTE...shoots and case stays in barrel....try another same thing....bring it out of range to inspect....the extractor is cracked off..spring and all.....

kahr is closed due to storm.....I don't know why this gun doesn't like me..all I want to do is shoot lead and CC it:40:

I haven't given up on it yet...but how much more????????????

anyone have this happen? I know Kahr will fix it..but, should I even ask, what more could happen/??:eek:

I hope kahr is open late in the week....and they should pay for shipping....

can add to ur issues is that ur 3 issues are so so so rare that I just have not heard of that happening. The fact thatit hapapened to ur P380 wouldnot make me happy but. sh!t happens. At least u can see each and every issue, not like it is FTF or FTE and one can't figure out what is causing it.

Call kahr after this storm and they will send u a new extractor. .

Sorry to hear of ur issues..

[MW surveyor]

I keep telling you to send it to me and I will give it a good home and not abuse it! LOL

Seriously, sorry to hear of your troubles with that particular gun. In all I think you have been extremely level headed throughout the whole ordeal.

[socialwork911]

thanks everyone for the support...just shooting federal champ. 115 FMJ...when the gun is good, it shoot great....just don't understand it....glad I have my glock 17...it eats all and never fails..fun to shoot too

so what can go wrong next :) how many chances should I give it before its reliable...I'm just waiting for the next problem

not sure I can replace the extractor myself? how hard is it..is there a youtube video on it? anyone in SE florida-coral springs- that can help?

[socialwork911]

found a utube vid. on dis. of a 45? seems beyond my comfortability..guess I'll be sending kahr my slide.....although w/o the frame, how can they test that it works? will they put it on another frame?

[wyntrout]

I've even replaced my extractor at the range. There's a few posts under the Newcomer or Kahr-Tech forums about detail stripping the slide.

Some important tools... a jeweler's screwdriver set... I use the smallest to push the back plate retaining pin in, and the largest to pull the striker spring down, at which point I use the "C" clamp made from a coat hanger to keep the spring compressed to remove the rear plate. I use a straightened out paper clip to push all of the parts out of the extractor tunnel.

Remember to cover the rear plate area as you remove it to preclude the springs from flying out. The striker spring/guide and the extractor spring and rear pin can do this when the extractor is intact.

Take this opportunity to make sure the striker tunnel is clean.

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=197

My post and pix:

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=3295&highlight=strip+slide

Wynn:)

[socialwork911]

wynn...you are the man..great stuff....still with my 2 left hands, I need some hand holdin the first time strippin it

[socialwork911]

called kahr..spoke w/Ian(yuk) referred me to Jason(smith) got his voice mail, left message....we will see...I was very nice to Ian, even asked how he was holding up in the after the storm..he didn't even respond to my niceness...what's up with him..Kahr-if you read this..he needs some re-training in cust. service

[JERRY]

when life gives you lemons, make lemon-aid; when kahr gives you a lemon, send it back.

i hope you p380 woes come to pass. i almost put up for a trade to get one but decided to hold off......your story is one of the reasons why. i wish you luck bro.

[socialwork911]

just sent a pic and email to cust. service?

[socialwork911]

when life gives you lemons, make lemon-aid; when kahr gives you a lemon, send it back.

i hope you p380 woes come to pass. i almost put up for a trade to get one but decided to hold off......your story is one of the reasons why. i wish you luck bro.
while I'm havin prob...others here say my story is not the norm for this gun...i hope they get it right, I'll give it one one chance...if not next stop is the 380 TCP

[JERRY]

im frustrated with my kahr as well....if money wasnt an issue id have had no problem putting twice the ammo required for breaking in the gun down range...but as it is, i still have a gun that i can not count on....but i havent given up.

[jocko]

kinda like having cancer, . WHY ME???? when ur next door neighbor drinks like a fish, smokes like a chimney and is i perfect health. Ihate it when a owner has an issue with ANY gun, It ain't just kahrs, we all know that, doesn't make it right when it happens to you. But if u truly love the then work with the maker to get it right. If not, peddle the fokker and move on to what please u. If it comes back andit is OK and tests out OK, forget about the past. I personally don't buy the mental process of "can I trust it" now after all I .

have had with it. If its running right , accept it. A perfect gun can fokk up on the verty next trigger pull. U cannot control that part, and worrying about it won'ty make it worse or better either.

social work911 3 issues to my knowledge arejust first for this forum. Never seen a broken recoil flat end, on any kahr, Never heard of any extractor on a P380 breaking. I have seen maybe one or two from theother combined modelsof bigger kahrs. Cracked frame, not sure I have seen that either. I have read where some have beenb replaced and I attribute that to some of the early serial number 380 that indeed just gavbeissues, but never a cracked frame, just something not rght with the original frame, that onlyt kahr could trouble shoot.

Hell my G19 had to go backonce and I trust it 150% I really never think about it even, it has been about 2years ago, so I don'thold anything againbst my G19 either. Great gun, just sumpin was not perfect at that time.....

The decision to keep or peddle it always remains with thge owner, not us telngu one way or the utter either. Ur the one sticking it in ur pocket, not us,.

[JFootin]

Well said, jocko. :yo: What you said is so true, " A perfect gun can fokk up on the verty next trigger pull." That is why a NY Reload, a BUG is a good idea.

[socialwork911]

well said....hey if it shoots after they fix it...the past remains in the past...when it shot it was great..so when they fix it...and it runs for 200 rounds w/a problem it's good to go.

called them 10am, haven't gotten a call back????

[jocko]

someone posted tey are closed maybe today even due to the storm....

[jdavis]

thanks everyone for the support...just shooting federal champ. 115 FMJ...when the gun is good, it shoot great....just don't understand it....glad I have my glock 17...it eats all and never fails..fun to shoot too

Whoa!
Are you shooting Federal 115 gr FMJ Champion 9mm in your P380?:eek:
I'm not surprised that your G17 eats it all and never fails...That is what it is chambered for! Your P380 is chambered for the .380 AP or 9mm Kurtz (short) which generally uses 90-95 gr. bullets. To my knowledge Federal does not offer a 115 grain load in .380AP. No wonder you are having so many problems that are totally out of character for this weapon.

[RRP]

Are you shooting Federal 115 gr FMJ Champion 9mm in your P380?:eek:


Houston, we have a problem!

[socialwork911]

meant 95 gn. fed. chp for the 380...my 17 uses the 115...don't shoot me :)

[jocko]

Impossable!!

[jdavis]

Impossable!!
Agreed! But.....makes me wonder:confused:

[socialwork911]

the 115 gn doesn't fit anyway....what are you wondering?

[wyntrout]

Somewhere here in the last day or so, someone said something about 180-gr bullets in his 9mm... even tougher!

Wynn:)

[socialwork911]

Somewhere here in the last day or so, someone said something about 180-gr bullets in his 9mm... even tougher!

Wynn:)
missed that post..

I just made the error on 115grn vs 95 grn..in my posts

[jocko]

Somewhere here in the last day or so, someone said something about 180-gr bullets in his 9mm... even tougher!

Wynn:)

thatperson was referring to shooting a squib load. Two 90 grain power b alls makes 180 grains. Just sayin:der:

[DJK11]

The extractor on my P380 broke at approximately 2600 rounds while using Blazer Brass. Never used steel or aluminum cased ammo. Kahr replaced the parts but kept insisting I used steel case ammo.

[socialwork911]

The extractor on my P380 broke at approximately 2600 rounds while using Blazer Brass. Never used steel or aluminum cased ammo. Kahr replaced the parts but kept insisting I used steel case ammo.
if is steel caseing , why do they call it brass???:der:....sorry but at least i'm not the only one w/a broken extractor...makes me feel better....i was begining to think my 380 was going to have all the problems that have never happened before

[JFootin]

if is steel caseing , why do they call it brass???:der:....sorry but at least i'm not the only one w/a broken extractor...makes me feel better....i was begining to think my 380 was going to have all the problems that have never happened before

The Russian Tula ammo has steel cases instead of brass. It is also dirty ammo. I will never use it in my guns. Brass is softer than steel, so a gun can cycle them for a lifetime. Steel cased ammo, I don't know, might cause more wear on the gun.

[jocko]

if is steel caseing , why do they call it brass???:der:....sorry but at least i'm not the only one w/a broken extractor...makes me feel better....i was begining to think my 380 was going to have all the problems that have never happened before

broken extractors on the P380 that we know of. I don't think steel is the cause at all. Probalby not the best ammo to shoot in some american guns but it should not break an extractor. IMO, just two bad parts , nothing more. certainly not a design flaw, as kahrs extractors are some of the stoutest on the market, but bad parts do occur and there is no way to know it until it happens.

One can certainly make a mountain out of it when it is a molehill but it solves nadda in doing so, IMO. Chalk it up to the fact that u got a bad part, It does happen u know.

I had a defective slide lock lever in my G19. Once replaced all was well. My Para Carry 9 had 3 slide stop levers replaced before it worked as it should.. It happens ..:der: Just sayin

\I dont have great reliability out of steel cased ammo, never broken a part over it but just didn't produce the reliability that brass cased or aluminum ammo gave.

I would never fault a gun that had issues with steel cased ammo. russian ammo is russian ammo

A new extractor will take care of ur issue..

[socialwork911]

i have no problem..stuff happens..its..its judt the way its made..some better than others, when it is mass produced....hope to hear from Kahr soon...maybe tomorrow...if not I'll recall on friday....thanks for listening

[gasem]

you're not the only one. I bought a new p380 4 weeks ago and the slide fit was so sloppy I could rattle it by shaking the gun. when I pulled the trigger the sight would cant to the left making the gun shoot right. I have a TCP and a p3at and both of those cheap guns have far superior fit and shoot dead on. bought the gun shot it once sent in and haven't seen it since. the p380 experience is nothing like my pm9 experience. that gun shoots strait is tight and goes bang every time

[socialwork911]

no word from Kahr so I called them...the operator that ans. was Jay(he is nice)..I explained what happened, he gave me an RA # to return the gun, (Ian should have done this when I called 2 days ago, not sure why he didn't)...when I asked for a pre-paid label..he said it's not covered???? this gun is new and they have had for repairs longer than me, what's up w/that....after I said that, he said OK we'll send you one..like he was doing me a favor????....I can only go by faith that this will fix it for good....thanks for listening...keep you all updated...I can only hope it doesn't take 3+ weeks to get it back

[socialwork911]

you're not the only one. I bought a new p380 4 weeks ago and the slide fit was so sloppy I could rattle it by shaking the gun. when I pulled the trigger the sight would cant to the left making the gun shoot right. I have a TCP and a p3at and both of those cheap guns have far superior fit and shoot dead on. bought the gun shot it once sent in and haven't seen it since. the p380 experience is nothing like my pm9 experience. that gun shoots strait is tight and goes bang every time
sorry to hear it...join my club..let me know how it works out here on this thread

[JFootin]

The waiting period is a fact of life with about every gun maker, or any other manufacturer. It's just good business. Hey, they're not going to staff so many gunsmiths that they are sitting around playing cards, waiting for a gun to show up needing service. It's the same with CS calls, although if you have to wait exceesively long, it reflects on the company's attitude toward their customers.

I recently had to return my Taurus TCP for multiple feeding and trigger issues. The wait for a customer service person was brief, and the computer voice kept telling me my place in the queue - nice! The young lady that I talked to was very friendly and offered to email me a prepaid label without me asking. As per the instructions on their website, I included a repair request form detailing my contact info, gun particulars and describing the issues. On the day they received it, I got an email confirming their receipt of the gun and explaining that it will be approximately 6 weeks for the repair. So, I am cool. Hopefully, I will get a perfectly functioning gun back from them before Christmas! So far, they are cruising toward an A+ in CS! :)

[socialwork911]

The waiting period is a fact of life with about every gun maker, or any other manufacturer. It's just good business. Hey, they're not going to staff so many gunsmiths that they are sitting around playing cards, waiting for a gun to show up needing service. It's the same with CS calls, although if you have to wait exceesively long, it reflects on the company's attitude toward their customers.

I recently had to return my Taurus TCP for multiple feeding and trigger issues. The wait for a customer service person was brief, and the computer voice kept telling me my place in the queue - nice! The young lady that I talked to was very friendly and offered to email me a prepaid label without me asking. As per the instructions on their website, I included a repair request form detailing my contact info, gun particulars and describing the issues. On the day they received it, I got an email confirming their receipt of the gun and explaining that it will be approximately 6 weeks for the repair. So, I am cool. Hopefully, I will get a perfectly functioning gun back from them before Christmas! So far, they are cruising toward an A+ in CS! :)
sorry t ohear of your gun trouble...taurus CS, as you describe it, is A+...lots of infor so you know what's going on..Kahr...not so much tracking info....Jay did send the prepaid label..so if goes back to mother tomorrow morning...I will wait and see...hope it comes back good...soon....
I'm sure these gun co. have more than enough work for at least 3 more smiths...hey just think if the turn around time was 3-5 days..instead of 3-6 weeks...they must have lots of work

[socialwork911]

off to mother today..they will have it on Monday b/f 10:30am....then the waiting clock starts....I am optimistic this will be the last trip and the gun will shoot glock perfect