Godhelp us

[jocko]

“The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their President.”


Not my words but also very true.Just sayin

certainly soundslike the Jim Jones and Hail Bopp syndrome..:popcorn:



GOD HELP US.

[PYROhafe]

Huge +1 to that!

I knew. We kept you around for some reason ol wise one!

[downtownv]

I agree but this man has an agenda that even the most liberal would have an objection with... just wait and see the real extremist monster come out of him over the next four years!

[jim3597]

Jocko; I agree with you 100%. America has strayed from the principles that made this nation great.:mad:

[JohnR]

Rome fell due to corruption, permissiveness, and allowing foreign invaders to take over; so have we.

[Ikeo74]

Black people are still claiming whites are racist, but race is what got him where he is. All the blacks and hispanics voted for him because "he is black". Merrit had nothing to do with this election. edit (White women also voted for him for the same reason)

[johnh]

Very good post Jocko. That sums up the reason I feel we may have turned a corner Tuesday that cannot be undone. When a person willingly chooses welfare over liberty, I am not sure that they can revisit that decision. Governments given such power rarely relinquish it peacefully.

[itsthelaw]

This is all true, and the only way back to our roots is for a 3rd party to split the vote. If 37% of the people in exit polls said they were conservative, we need a truly conservative party. Leave the Republicans to their remaining 10% and pick up an extra 10% from the middle after the next 4 years of hell. A truly conservative party in a 3 party election would win.

[Ikeo74]

The problem is there is no way a 3rd party could become powerful enough to change the system. There is an unseen power force in out government with so much influence and control that they can start wars and assinate people without being identified. I think it is connected to the Military Indurstial Complex. And Jocko is right, we are screwed.

[itsthelaw]

The problem is there is no way a 3rd party could become powerful enough to change the system. There is an unseen power force in out government with so much influence and control that they can start wars and assinate people without being identified. I think it is connected to the Military Indurstial Complex. And Jocko is right, we are screwed.


Not so fast, Sir...

Although that "unseen power" is a dangerous and power hungry group, I would guess that most of them want many of the same things as we do for our country. I would also make a guess that they do not like BO in the Military Complex...especially after Benghazi. The coup can come from within the government. An overthrow of the governement from the outside is nearly impossible. Keep in mind that BO said that he could not change the government from within. I think it means that he is not an "insider" and has hit a wall of influence. As you said, they can assassinate people as needed.

[les strat]

In conspiracy theory terms, what you guys are talking about would be the "illuminati".

[JohnR]

George Soros isn't an unseen force.

[mr surveyor]

George Soros isn't an unseen force.

exactly

[GROTMAN]

Rome fell due to corruption, permissiveness, and allowing foreign invaders to take over; so have we.
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[GROTMAN]

Burnin' America and hating Christians. Yep. If we forget about the past, we are doomed to repeat it.

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[jocko]

ur OK Grotman. keep it up..

[muggsy]

I received a call from the local High School today asking me to donate to the sports program. I told them that since the teachers union supported Obama that they should go to the government for the money, because the government would be taking what little I had to donate. There was a long silent pause before they hung up the phone.

[Tinman507]

LOL!! Excellent Muggsy

[muggsy]

We lost this election because 3 million republicans didn't vote. Romney didn't succeed in turning out the base. He won the first debate and went into a prevent defense allowing Obama to win the other two. Voting for a third party insures a democrat win. What we need to do is weed out the weak sisters in the republican party.

[jocko]

andsomehow they really need to work in the people running in the primaries. Hellobummerjust set back and watched for months the republican party annilate each other with anything they cold dig up on each other, and the fire was then light for the GREAT ONE and he didn't have to do anything to get the firewood.

I don't have an answer to how they do that either, but certainly the next election willhave both partes in the primaries digging up dirt on each other candidate. Hell look what obummer did to Hillary in the primaries and yet that b!tch still becamehis surrogate after the election and ol Smokin Joe Billy Boy campainged like hell for him and I have no doubt he hates obummer for what he did to but they are true democratsandthey willdo anything for the party and Smokin Joe Billy did him a good job to.

U know what irritates and pisses me off the mostis that George Bush setonhis fokking\ ass all through the election process and never once defended his administration from al the Obummer b.s spread by them, let alone turn a page to help Romney in any way either. Bush has loyal followers just like Smokin Joe Billy does, so to sit on his ass and do nuttin, realy did not set wellwith me. Jeb didn't bust ass either..

[jocko]

This came from a friend who wants help in understanding what is happening to him and to his country. I can't help him, can you?

Subject: Americas Death knell.

Something in me died tonight . Americans decided what kind of country they wanted today and it's not my kind of place. The choice had never been so clear. What little faith I had left in the wisdom of the American people to do what
is right...vanished with this vote.

I've felt it slipping away for some time and now it's finally over the
edge. Legal marijuana won in two states and gay marriage in three.
Obama care will now go into full effect, taxes will rise, fuel and Utilities
will sky rocket, businesses will close, the military will be weakened,
the debt will grow, the value of the dollar will fall,
socialist radicals will rule for another four years, and the solid
Christian values of the past will be scorned both in government and the
liberal media. Common sense is dead, touchy-feely will become the rule,
and personal responsibility will cease to exist. The takers will soon
outnumber the givers and the whole house of cards will collapse. This is
the path, we as a nation have chosen. I am too sad for words.

To think of all the others that served in uniform, especially the
ones that are maimed and dead, to protect the very freedoms that the
majority willingly gave away tonight sickens me down to my soul. These
are things that can't be recovered once they are lost. But they are so
lightly regarded by today's citizens that they were relinquished without
a fight. All it took were government handouts, dishonest smooth talk,
and a hip, cool guy that's never earned a real paycheck.

I'm not sure what moves to make to protect me and mine from
this nightmare but I'm sleepless tonight thinking about my options.



God help us all.

[JohnR]

Sheet, Jocko; you're right about Bush sitting on the sidelines.. I never caught that.

We're so screwed.

[jocko]

Sheet, Jocko; you're right about Bush sitting on the sidelines.. I never caught that.

We're so screwed.

I bet Romney's people"caught" it. Just sayin

[jocko]

ol jocko was in Starbuck`s recently when I suddenly realized I desperately needed to fart.
The music was really loud so I timed my fart with the beat of the music.
After a couple of songs I started to feel better.
I finished my coffee and noticed that everyone was staring at me…
And suddenly I remembered I was listening to my iPod
…and how was your day?
That's what happens when old people start using technology

Just sayin

[jocko]

____________________________________ Object : Great Story>> Young King Arthur was ambushed and imprisoned by the monarch of a neighboring kingdom. The monarch could have killed him but was moved by Arthur's youth and ideals. So, the monarch offered him his freedom, as long as he could answer a very difficult question. Arthur would have a year to figure out the answer and, if after a year, he still had no answer, he would be put to death.>>>>>>>> The question?....What do women really want? Such a question would perplex even the most knowledgeable man, and to young Arthur, it seemed an impossible query. But, since it was better than death, he accepted the monarch's proposition to have an answer by year's end.>>>>>> He returned to his kingdom and began to poll everyone: the princess, the priests, the wise men and even the court jester. He spoke with everyone, but no one could give him a satisfactory answer.>>>>>> Many people advised him to consult the old witch, for only she would have the answer..>>>> But the price would be high; as the witch was famous throughout the kingdom for the exorbitant prices she charged.>>>>>>>> The last day of the year arrived and Arthur had no choice but to talk to the witch. She agreed to answer the question, but he would have to agree to her price first>>>>>> The old witch wanted to marry Sir Lancelot, the most noble of the Knights of the Round Table and Arthur's closest friend!>>>> Young Arthur was horrified. She was hunchbacked and hideous, had only one tooth, smelled like sewage, made obscene noises, etc. He had never encountered such a repugnant creature in all his life.>>>>>>>> He refused to force his friend to marry her and endure such a terrible burden; but Lancelot, learning of the proposal, spoke with Arthur.>>>>>> He said nothing was too big of a sacrifice compared to Arthur's life and the preservation of the Round Table.>>>>>> Hence, a wedding was proclaimed and the witch answered Arthur's question thus:>>>> What a woman really wants, she answered....is to be in charge of her own life.>>>> Everyone in the kingdom instantly knew that the witch had uttered a great truth and that Arthur's life would be spared.>>>>>>>> And so it was, the neighboring monarch granted Arthur his freedom and Lancelot and the witch had a wonderful wedding.>>>>>> The honeymoon hour approached and Lancelot, steeling himself for a horrific experience, entered the bedroom. But, what a sight awaited him... The most beautiful woman he had ever seen lay before him on the bed. The astounded Lancelot asked what had happened.>>>>>> The beauty replied that since he had been so kind to her when she appeared as a witch, she would henceforth, be her horrible deformed self only half the time and the beautiful maiden the other h alf.>>>> Which would he prefer? Beautiful during the day....or night?>>>> Lancelot pondered the predicament. During the day, a beautiful woman to show off to his friends, but at night, in the privacy of his castle, an old witch ? Or, would he prefer having a hideous witch during the day, but by night, a beautiful woman for him to enjoy wondrous intimate moments?>>>>>> What would YOU do?>>>> What Lancelot chose is below. BUT.....make YOUR choice before you scroll down below. OKAY?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Noble Lancelot said that he would allow HER to make the choice herself.>>>>>>>> Upon hearing this, she announced that she would be beautiful all the time because he had respected her enough to let her be in charge of her own life.>>>>>>>> Now....what is the moral to this story?>>>> Scroll down>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The moral is....> If you don't let a woman have her own way....> Things are going to get ugly

[JFootin]

LOL! Some funny stuff Jocko!

But to get back on subject, here is a brief, insightful article by Judge Andrew Napolitano regarding the present state of politics in America:

Four more years--what is going on here? (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/08/four-more-years-what-is-going-on-here/)

[jocko]

aw come on JFootin that stuff is bull sh1t. Just ask Crabby ass!!! Just sayin

[JFootin]

Did you read it? About the same stuff you've been saying.

[jocko]

yesI sure did. I like the judge by the way. My point as u know was not directed towards u either

[JohnR]

A-Nap is a great patriot and very eloquent.

I just wish Obama would once and for all come out and tell us what his core values are and what his goals are for America. He has never once communicated that. Most think it's because his goal is so nefarious he would never be elected, but it's still possible that he has no core values and no goal, and he's truly a dolt stabbing in the dark, surrounded by equally incompetent advisors.

If the GOP is that inept, who's to say the Dems aren't, too?

[muggsy]

Not Bush's style to comment on Obummers lies. He was following the unwritten rule that former presidents don't comment on the current president's policies. Unlike you and I, Jocko, the man has class.

[Cokeman]

Black people are still claiming whites are racist, but race is what got him where he is. All the blacks and hispanics voted for him because "he is black". Merrit had nothing to do with this election. edit (White women also voted for him for the same reason)

Anyone that voted for Obama is a racist. They didn't vote for him because he did an awesome job the first term.

Next time we will be accused of hating women when we don't vote for Hillary. You watch. She will be the next Obama that gets voted in because she is a woman, not because she can do good things for us. We got our first black president. Now we need our first woman president. That's all that matters to many voters. That's my prediction.

[JFootin]

yesI sure did. I like the judge by the way. My point as u know was not directed towards u either

I know.

[yqtszhj]

A-Nap is a great patriot and very eloquent.

I just wish Obama would once and for all come out and tell us what his core values are and what his goals are for America. He has never once communicated that. Most think it's because his goal is so nefarious he would never be elected, but it's still possible that he has no core values and no goal, and he's truly a dolt stabbing in the dark, surrounded by equally incompetent advisors.

If the GOP is that inept, who's to say the Dems aren't, too?

He won't tell us his goal because its a socialist agenda. That's all I'll say about that. He played on the fears of the simple using class envy to win to forward his agenda.

[CrabbyAzz]

Anyone that voted for Obama is a racist. They didn't vote for him because he did an awesome job the first term.

Next time we will be accused of hating women when we don't vote for Hillary. You watch. She will be the next Obama that gets voted in because she is a woman, not because she can do good things for us. We got our first black president. Now we need our first woman president. That's all that matters to many voters. That's my prediction.


Actually Romney lost because of the republican/tea party platform. We (the majority of American's) rejected the republicans social, immigration, religious and anti women's rights agenda. When the moderate Romney turned into ultra religious social conservative Romney, we couldn't trust him any more. Some think he would have swung back to the center, but we couldn't be sure. And even if he did swing back to moderate, his party would have hung him out to dry like the Democrats did to Carter when he tried to buck the system. We looked at the long game. A Romney win would have been interpreted by the house as a mandate for their 50's agenda. Also it's likely that this president will fill at least one supreme court seat if not two. We couldn't let the current republican party have control of this.

All in all, Romney losing was a good thing. I'm sure the republican party is going to do some soul searching and change it's platform to get out of peoples bedrooms and be more inclusive of minorities. This should also clip the wings of the evangelical christian strangle hold on the republican party.

Writer David Simon, a former journalist and well-known TV producer, didn't mince words.

"The country is changing," he wrote on his blog.

"America will soon belong to the men and women ... who can comfortably walk into a room and accept with real comfort the sensation that ... there are no real majorities, only pluralities and coalitions.

"Those who relied on entitlement and division to command power will either be obliged to accept the changes, or retreat to the gated communities from which they wish to wax nostalgic and brood on political irrelevance."

[jocko]

Not Bush's style to comment on Obummers lies. He was following the unwritten rule that former presidents don't comment on the current president's policies. Unlike you and I, Jocko, the man has class.

I don';t buy into that. for sure Smokin Billy Clinton didn't buy into it . He campagned hard for the obummer.

Unwritten rules tells me that is b. s. then. Of u don't stand up for your party and especially the 8 years u were president, and I like Bush, so don't get me wrong but IMO he showed very low class for helping his party... I was certainly dissappointed..:mad:

[jocko]

Actually Romney lost because of the republican/tea party platform. We (the majority of American's) rejected the republicans social, immigration, religious and anti women's rights agenda. When the moderate Romney turned into ultra religious social conservative Romney, we couldn't trust him any more. Some think he would have swung back to the center, but we couldn't be sure. And even if he did swing back to moderate, his party would have hung him out to dry like the Democrats did to Carter when he tried to buck the system. We looked at the long game. A Romney win would have been interpreted by the house as a mandate for their 50's agenda. Also it's likely that this president will fill at least one supreme court seat if not two. We couldn't let the current republican party have control of this.

All in all, Romney losing was a good thing. I'm sure the republican party is going to do some soul searching and change it's platform to get out of peoples bedrooms and be more inclusive of minorities. This should also clip the wings of the evangelical christian strangle hold on the republican party.

Writer David Simon, a former journalist and well-known TV producer, didn't mince words.

"The country is changing," he wrote on his blog.

"America will soon belong to the men and women ... who can comfortably walk into a room and accept with real comfort the sensation that ... there are no real majorities, only pluralities and coalitions.

"Those who relied on entitlement and division to command power will either be obliged to accept the changes, or retreat to the gated communities from which they wish to wax nostalgic and brood on political irrelevance."

be right but it is a sad day that a party has to change its views of queers marrying. open door policy for abortions, letting illegals cross our borders at will and then letting them vote with no proff of jack sh!t. JUST TO GET ELECTED

A sad day. I really hate to reply to your post even, as IMO u are the epitome of what this forum is totally not supporting.

My thoughts on this also is maybe we just outta forget the top dog office and let you guys have your ***** loving leader. The republicans seem to do extremley well in their home states. Indiana for examble has the super majority in both houses. Wehave over 30 rep govenors now in the country. The states people seem to know theor home town politicians far better than the know about their top leaders. Maybe they just don't care either.

I would not want to be a repoublican president with a demo house or senate or pray tell both. The gridlock ur gonna see now would be no different.

When the ol pres had control of both the house and senate, what did he pass. OBUMMER CARE, wy dindt he shove his tax increase down our throats then??? He didn't have the support,he knew it. He didn't want to be a one term president either. Now that he knows he is gone in 4 years he is gonna try this sh!t. IMO the house just ain't gonna buy it and if we have gridlock, IMO so be it. Fiscal cliff, what does that mean. Humm maybe some of those 47% percenters will have to start looking for a job. Humm maybe some of those middle class people who want to only soak the rich will maybe have to cough up some addition money, along with us rich bastards..

Take the bird feeder away from the lazy ass birds and see them riot. We rich people will just fly over to europe for the winter months and enjoy their recession.
ur probbly saying, WRONG ATTITUDE JOCKO. probalby right. The middle class and the people who won't work will not be happy if the fiscal cliff happens. Now us rich people (thats what the demos callus who make over 200K a year u know) we will just sit back and laugh at it, For they expect us rich people to continue to carry the 90%of this country who are standing in

line at the bird feeder..

When the soup kitchens start to close because us rich bastards are getting tired of supporting those who will not work or look for work but yet still voice their demands on us rich bastards, maybe things will change.

[JFootin]

It is starting to look likely that, within the next 4 years, they will be commanding us to turn in our guns upon threat of imprisonment, and we will be seeing repeats of Ruby Ridge playing out all over the place. Homeland Security and Obama's Red Shirts will be comitting murder and mayhem and justifying it in the name of the almighty State, and of course the NWO.

CrabbyAzz, you said "We looked at the long game." Well, you need your eyes checked. :nerd: I don't think you are seeing things too clearly.

[chrish]

Actually Romney lost because of the republican/tea party platform. We (the majority of American's) rejected the republicans social, immigration, religious and anti women's rights agenda. When the moderate Romney turned into ultra religious social conservative Romney, we couldn't trust him any more. Some think he would have swung back to the center, but we couldn't be sure. And even if he did swing back to moderate, his party would have hung him out to dry like the Democrats did to Carter when he tried to buck the system. We looked at the long game. A Romney win would have been interpreted by the house as a mandate for their 50's agenda. Also it's likely that this president will fill at least one supreme court seat if not two. We couldn't let the current republican party have control of this.

All in all, Romney losing was a good thing. I'm sure the republican party is going to do some soul searching and change it's platform to get out of peoples bedrooms and be more inclusive of minorities. This should also clip the wings of the evangelical christian strangle hold on the republican party.

Writer David Simon, a former journalist and well-known TV producer, didn't mince words.

"The country is changing," he wrote on his blog.

"America will soon belong to the men and women ... who can comfortably walk into a room and accept with real comfort the sensation that ... there are no real majorities, only pluralities and coalitions.

"Those who relied on entitlement and division to command power will either be obliged to accept the changes, or retreat to the gated communities from which they wish to wax nostalgic and brood on political irrelevance."

Crabby, in case you missed my other reply in the election day thread, making the offer again. A little different here, in the other thread you wanted to claim that the GOP wasn't willing to compromise. Or that now compromise might be possible because the people had spoken. I asked you to clarify what you think compromise should be, so we could discuss.

Similarly here, I'm going to ask you to clarify. Nothing you wrote above came from your own thought process. I can take what you said and probably tie it back, every word of it, to post-election talking heads on the news. So I'd like to ask you to defend those statements with some real information.

Social. What do you mean, what specific issues? Gay rights? Legalized drugs? Which of those are you for or against and why?

Immigration. What is your position? Open borders? Amnesty? Which way should the country go w/ this issue.

Religious. Other than abortion (below) or gay rights and drugs (above), what do you mean? Can you clearly identify which religious positions in the GOP you do not agree with and what the alternative is?

Women's rights. Again, other than abortion, please clarify what you see the GOP agenda to be here and what the difference should be.
Where I'm going with this is to have an actual conversation about 'compromise' and where the GOP should go w/ these positions. You want the other side (not necessarily me, I'm constitutional/libertarian) to go with these positions or where you think they should go in order to win back the moderates and hold the base.

Let's take a hot topic, abortion, and not consider my or your position and get all bent up about it. What 'compromise' would be acceptable here. Seems the left is not willing to compromise (if compromise is TRULY the right way to go on issues as you alluded to in your other post). Compromise would mean the left should give in, and provide some understanding to the right's way of thinking. So, my best solution there would be that, let's assume there are 1 million abortions performed per year (cuz I'm to lazy to go look it up). Compromise could ONLY be that we set a limit. 500,000 and no more can occur in a calendar year. So, would you say the left should accept that? That's the price of compromise. I would argue that the GOP has compromised out the ying-yang on abortion. In the face of loosing the overall fight 40 years ago, they have tried successfully and unsuccessfully to put limits and constraints on abortion, which should/would be areas that the left could compromise on this issue. They have attempted to pass laws banning late term abortion, and have in many cases to the screaming rants of the left. They have attempted to pass and have in many cases requiring counseling and/or watching a sonogram or listening to a heartbeat before aborting, to the screaming and ranting of the left. How is that compromise?

How does compromise accomplish anything?

And don't get caught up in the issue, I just picked a hot button issue. Let's change it if that's too volatile. Guns...to keep w/ the air of the forum

High capacity mags and assault weapons. Left wants a total ban. Right want's no ban, no restrictions. Let's compromise. Let's find out how many 'average' assault weapons (by definition, AR/AK like weapons) the average assault weapon owner has, and half that number. That's the new compromise, if that numbers is 3, then anyone can from this point forward own 1.5 assault rifles and the left needs to back down. Agreed?

[jocko]

nice post but will make no senseto those who have no sense!!Just sayin

was not a compromise offered by the Jananese nation a few weeks before the little boy becamse abig boy. wasn't it along the lines of, we will surrender if you leave Herihito as our surpeme leader yadda yadda yadda. It was there compromise certainly not ours, nuttin was in it for us and it would have been a serious slap in the face to the hundredsof thousandsof our americans who gave all in that war

Sure was alot of compromise in the obummer care act wasn't it. course even the demo's had to pass it in order TO READ IT.. COMPROMISE IS NORMALLY Sumpin that goes like this: If u do exactly as I say and I approve it, then we have a compromise.

Chrish, I seriously doubt if he missed ur election day thread,he just doesn't have an answer for u..

[JohnR]

With the alleged "electoral mandate" there's no reason Obummer has to hide his Socialist side. He's more flexible now.

I think he's going to wait till allegations of electoral fraud blow over.

[jocko]

oh my god, u mean their could have been ELECTORAL FRAUD? Oh my what next?? Pelosie is a man and Hillary thinks a hummer is a A GMC vehicle so she told Smokin billy to go out and get one.. Just sayin

ur ruined my day John R

[wyntrout]

Not Bush's style to comment on Obummers lies. He was following the unwritten rule that former presidents don't comment on the current president's policies. Unlike you and I, Jocko, the man has class.

Amen to that Muggsy. I voted for GW twice for governor and twice for president. Our country should have appreciated him more. I know that veterans do. He was a real Commander in Chief and HAD worn the uniform of our country. What howls of fury arose from the Left when he was aboard that S2 that trapped on the carrier that day! He was a pilot in the Air National Guard and flying high-performance jets is a demanding and dangerous job on a good day!



Wynn:)

[Bawanna]

Exactly. I'd serve the secret service with pride guarding Bush (either one) but with this one I'd rather go back to sucking out septic tanks with a straw.

[jocko]

nice photos wyn.when I wa sin Progresso , Mexico, I could have sworn I seen some autogrphed Macnado's by Monica. Could I be dreamin or what. Upon inspecting them though, I found that they were just half the size of a true Macnado, so I guess she was just trying to be more authentic. They did not have her signature on the wrapper, just a big lipstick print around the cigar.. Who knows.

Nice photo. My guess over whelming the demos would pick the right photo.

[les strat]

Crabby, wrong. The other half of the country voted to get rid of him. There was no "We (the majority of American's)". As far as I am concerned, all the idiots liberals can start their own country and edit and delete the Constitution as they see fit. Bring your own chains.

There is no defending his cover-up of F&F, his letting our ambassdor and crew be slaughtered while the DC monkeys ate popcorn while watching, and his approval of the UN gun treaty within 24 hrs of re-election, I remember you said it it was all Republican tin foil hat stuff as it was surfacing. Wrong. There's no defending it.

Social issues aside, if he racks up ANY more debt, he has failed.

There's no blaming Bush cop-outs this go-around.

He will be held to the fire.

America is watching.

[wyntrout]

Time and time again, we have seen Republicans do the Honorable thing... resign for the good of the country. The Left closes ranks and high-fives the dishonored Dems for conduct "becoming" of DemocRATS.

The Left IS really perplexed by General Petraeus' resignation over a LITTLE affair... an AFFAIR... no dead bodies involved! They have no concept of HONOR!

Wynn:(

[Tinman507]

Crabby, wrong. The other half of the country voted to get rid of him. There was no "We (the majority of American's)". As far as I am concerned, all the idiots liberals can start their own country and edit and delete the Constitution as they see fit. Bring your own chains.

There is no defending his cover-up of F&F, his letting our ambassdor and crew be slaughtered while the DC monkeys ate popcorn while watching, and his approval of the UN gun treaty within 24 hrs of re-election, I remember you said it it was all Republican tin foil hat stuff as it was surfacing. Wrong. There's no defending it.

Social issues aside, if he racks up ANY more debt, he has failed.

There's no blaming Bush cop-outs this go-around.

He will be held to the fire.

America is watching.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/603900_10151192803772740_568658697_n.jpg

[JFootin]

Sumpin that goes like this: If u do exactly as I say and I approve it, then we have a compromise.

You got it, jocko! That is the Dems' definition and the only way O knows how to operate.

[chrish]

nice post but will make no senseto those who have no sense!!Just sayin

was not a compromise offered by the Jananese nation a few weeks before the little boy becamse abig boy. wasn't it along the lines of, we will surrender if you leave Herihito as our surpeme leader yadda yadda yadda. It was there compromise certainly not ours, nuttin was in it for us and it would have been a serious slap in the face to the hundredsof thousandsof our americans who gave all in that war

Sure was alot of compromise in the obummer care act wasn't it. course even the demo's had to pass it in order TO READ IT.. COMPROMISE IS NORMALLY Sumpin that goes like this: If u do exactly as I say and I approve it, then we have a compromise.

Chrish, I seriously doubt if he missed ur election day thread,he just doesn't have an answer for u..

Yea, I agree completely. My point is not that I think we should compromise and that any of my suggestions are REAL compromise suggestions. It's to point out the sheer silliness of compromise is MOST cases. When you reduce down to core beliefs, compromise becomes silly and dangerous to one side or the other. Two parties want a road built, they agree on that, but they might have to compromise on how to achieve it. It requires some level of agreement up front, then work to find the solution. We are talking here about a disagreement at a core belief level, there is NOWHERE to go in a compromise, it is impossible.

I'm hopeful that Crabby will choose to discuss. But if not, again, I understand.

[CrabbyAzz]

Yea, I agree completely. My point is not that I think we should compromise and that any of my suggestions are REAL compromise suggestions. It's to point out the sheer silliness of compromise is MOST cases. When you reduce down to core beliefs, compromise becomes silly and dangerous to one side or the other. Two parties want a road built, they agree on that, but they might have to compromise on how to achieve it. It requires some level of agreement up front, then work to find the solution. We are talking here about a disagreement at a core belief level, there is NOWHERE to go in a compromise, it is impossible.

I'm hopeful that Crabby will choose to discuss. But if not, again, I understand.


Don't see the point in arguing Chrish, nothing either of us say will ever change either of our positions.

[jocko]

Time and time again, we have seen Republicans do the Honorable thing... resign for the good of the country. The Left closes ranks and high-fives the dishonored Dems for conduct "becoming" of DemocRATS.

The Left IS really perplexed by General Petraeus' resignation over a LITTLE affair... an AFFAIR... no dead bodies involved! They have no concept of HONOR!

Wynn:(

know there is more to Petraues that this affair.. It will surface. Once u tell anutter person a secret, it is no longer a secret, but now an unnamed source.

[jocko]

Oh I could change one position here real fast, but the mods won't let me. Just sayin

We had a compromise: They said NO WAY and I said OK. compromise at its best.

[Tinman507]

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o542/tinman507/Tin-Foil-Hat.jpg
I've been reading about Petraeus. Now, I am not one of the Tin Foil Hat crowd, but there's some scuttlebutt floating around connecting Petraeus and Rear Adm. Charles Gaouette who was fired Nov 4 and General Carter Ham who was relieved in late October.

There's also a story floating around on the whackburger blogosphere about a coup plot involving some military folks.

Curiouser and curiouser.

[jocko]

normally if it smells like crap it is crap.

[Popeye]

Just goes to show just how stupid Americans really are. God have mercy on us all.

[JohnR]

Wow, Tinman. That's beyond what I imagined. Fascinating...

[chrish]

Don't see the point in arguing Chrish, nothing either of us say will ever change either of our positions.

I suppose, fair enough. I have a number of friends, acquaintances that historically took many of the positions you seem to hold. As a result of reasonable discussions, based on logic, I've convinced them they are wrong, or at a minimum logically flawed in their argument. But I understand, and I don't mean this to sound snotty, but it's gonna come across that way. If you can't logically defend your position then you really don't have one. If it's rooted in emotion and not fact, you can't really win or even participate in debate. If you can't back it up, well...and that's not trying to drag you into a debate, it's clear where it'd go at this point. Just something for you to chew on and if you care to take it offline (promised civil discussion on my end), just PM me.

I'm convinced the only way forward is for one person at a time, convince other people to change their position. It can happen, one-on-one, but never in mass. A person is smart, people are stupid. Discussions in a group never end well.

[OlympicFox]

Amen to Jocko's post.

As for those that choose welfare over liberty . . .

I'll explain my sister's political preferences by simply noting that she's a Berkeley artist. While not one of those that needs to choose welfare for herself, she certainly uses the system to her advantage when she can.

But, the really scary part is that she just doesn't see the loss of insidious loss of liberty, mostly because she hasn't felt it. It's simply another case of NIMBY. If the loss isn't her loss, then she doesn't see it as a loss. As a result, she is unable to recognize the light in the tunnel as a freight train.

Then, there is the disconnect between what she says and what she does. It's called denial.

For example, she talks about how safe her neighborhood is. Yet, when we walked to a nearby restaurant for dinner, she was anxious to get home before dark. Close the door, set the double locks and alarm.


Very good post Jocko. That sums up the reason I feel we may have turned a corner Tuesday that cannot be undone. When a person willingly chooses welfare over liberty, I am not sure that they can revisit that decision. Governments given such power rarely relinquish it peacefully.

[mr surveyor]

Amen to Jocko's post.

As for those that choose welfare over liberty . . .

I'll explain my sister's political preferences by simply noting that she's a Berkeley artist. While not one of those that needs to choose welfare for herself, she certainly uses the system to her advantage when she can.

But, the really scary part is that she just doesn't see the loss of insidious loss of liberty, mostly because she hasn't felt it. It's simply another case of NIMBY. If the loss isn't her loss, then she doesn't see it as a loss. As a result, she is unable to recognize the light in the tunnel as a freight train.

Then, there is the disconnect between what she says and what she does. It's called denial.

For example, she talks about how safe her neighborhood is. Yet, when we walked to a nearby restaurant for dinner, she was anxious to get home before dark. Close the door, set the double locks and alarm.

hhmmm.... I just wonder..... who buys sister's artwork, the makers or the takers?