States Threatening Secession / Warning Picture of Pelosi on page 2. Your warned!

[MO_Soldier]

Way say you wise folks?
I expected something like this.
I'm gonna do whatever it takes to buy an AR15 and some ammo on the jiffy.

On another note, I will soon be in Texas, and a Missouri native.
I offer a young, capable body, a steady aim, a quick trigger finger and my wits about me. I dont have tons of guns, or ammo, but am willing to band together with others to offer my skills.

[chrish]

I appreciate the effort those states are making, but at this point its not the state, just some citizens starting a petition for their state. Good for them though!!!

The White House will eventually respond to those that DO pass the 25k mark and will say 'sorry, it is not possible to do that'. While the DoI has language to that effect, the Constitution and precedent are the law of the land. We tried it in the 1860s, similar action on both sides would be required.

Do I agree w/ it, nope, if Texas (likely to be the only one to really try this) is ever successful, I will make my way there...if I'm not already there at some point in the next 4 years.

[JimC]

I received two e-mails yesterday on this.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/now-many-states-want-to-secede-from-u-s/

My response to bot was...good luck with that. :rolleyes:

[MO_Soldier]

I think we can all agree l, that while it may not be feasible to accomplish, it's probable that it may be attempted. . .again.

[Bawanna]

I appreciate the effort those states are making, but at this point its not the state, just some citizens starting a petition for their state. Good for them though!!!

The White House will eventually respond to those that DO pass the 25k mark and will say 'sorry, it is not possible to do that'. While the DoI has language to that effect, the Constitution and precedent are the law of the land. We tried it in the 1860s, similar action on both sides would be required.

Do I agree w/ it, nope, if Texas (likely to be the only one to really try this) is ever successful, I will make my way there...if I'm not already there at some point in the next 4 years.


I kind of figure they aren't abiding to the constitution, why should we?

I keep telling myself I'll stay out of these political threads but I'm not doing very good at it.

[MO_Soldier]

No, Bawanna, you're not at all! Lmao

[jocko]

but we all know it AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Nice to dream though--maybe. not sure myself.

[O'Dell]

Texas was an independent republic before becoming a state, the only state to be so, and was brought into the United States under a treaty. I seem to remember that there was a provision in that treaty that allowed Texas to secede under certain circumstances. Am I remembering it wrong?

[skychief12]

You are correct about Texas.

[les strat]

It does let the feds know they have a hell of a battle on their hands. Some states are not going to bend over and take such political incompetence.

[Bawanna]

They've been bending over and taking it for 4 years.........what's gonna change.

I've got a horse, a lantern and a boat. I say we cross the Delaware and attack the black shirts with their pants down.

I remember to ride the horse and shout the Muslims are coming, the Muslims are coming, the lantern is 1 if by land and 2 if by sea but I only got 1 lanterns so the bastards better come by land, which makes sense since they are already here (duh). An the boats only 16 ft so might have to make a few trips.

It's aluminum so it should hold up against the raw sewage flowing in the Delaware.

[Barth]

They've been bending over and taking it for 4 years.........what's gonna change.

I've got a horse, a lantern and a boat. I say we cross the Delaware and attack the black shirts with their pants down.

I remember to ride the horse and shout the Muslims are coming, the Muslims are coming, the lantern is 1 if by land and 2 if by sea but I only got 1 lanterns so the bastards better come by land, which makes sense since they are already here (duh). An the boats only 16 ft so might have to make a few trips.

It's aluminum so it should hold up against the raw sewage flowing in the Delaware.

Seems like we once again face - Taxation Without Representation.
I propose you need to pay taxes to have a vote in how those tax dollars are spent.

[Bawanna]

What the heck is wrong with you Barth. Trying to mix common sense and politics, are you out of your mind?

Heck next you'll want proof of citizenship, a valid drivers license and voter registration card to vote. Like that's gonna happen....................

Heck you no longer need those things to be president.....................

[Tinman507]

Just for the record..
there's no raw sewage in the Delaware.
At least not at Washington Crossing, PA.

[Barth]

What the heck is wrong with you Barth. Trying to mix common sense and politics, are you out of your mind?

Heck next you'll want proof of citizenship, a valid drivers license and voter registration card to vote. Like that's gonna happen....................

Heck you no longer need those things to be president.....................

I want a 1040 with a paid balance to be allowed to vote.
No more illegals, no more dead people, no more )(*&(*_+_.

[Bawanna]

Maybe they can make an Alice in Wonderland sequel and put all that stuff in there just for you.

I want all those things too very bad but I've recently been struck directly in the face with reality.
I sort of look like Pelosi now, no surgery can fix this.

[Tinman507]

http://wtpotus.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/nancy-pelosi-on-botox.jpg

[Bawanna]

I just threw up a lot in my mouth.

Guess we'll have to vote her in to see if there's anything inside.




Nope, nothing but BS again. Maybe next time.

[Bawanna]

Pass that cheese grater, I'm desperately trying to get that image out of my head.

[getsome]

AAAAAHHHHHHHH AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH MY EYES MY EYES!!!!!!!....

Warn somebody next time Tinman for God's sake!!!!!....:eek:

[CrabbyAzz]

You are correct about Texas.

Nope. I've read that Texas will be a blue state in several years.

[getsome]

If Texas goes over to the "dark side" I'm packing up and moving to South America!!!

[MW surveyor]

Bawanna, here you go

[O'Dell]

Nope. I've read that Texas will be a blue state in several years.



And you read that on...................moveon.org?

[yqtszhj]

Nope. I've read that Texas will be a blue state in several years.

Now that's funny. You've been dabbling into some of that newly legalized weed.

I lived in Texas for a bit and I can tell you they won't be going blue. They won't be red either if things don't turn around. I mean this as a compliment when I say they are the kings of F___ you. :53:

[rjt123]

Nope. I've read that Texas will be a blue state in several years.

Not to be impolite or anything...

But you, sir, are full of sh!t. Don't speak of things you know nothing about. I'm a lifelong Texan, and you're something else.

[rjt123]

Rules for life:

1. Always cut the cards.
2. Never eat at a place called "Mom's".
3. Never talk bad about Texas to a Texan.

[Tinman507]

Rules for life:

1. Always cut the cards.
2. Never eat at a place called "Mom's".
3. Never talk bad about Texas to a Texan.
4. Don't eat the yellow snow

Fixed it for ya

[rjt123]

Thanks for the assist, Tinman. No picture? :D

[Bawanna]

I think he's waiting for snow to get one.

[Tinman507]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2704/4251444662_6227fe7e41.jpg

[Bawanna]

Wow that was quick. Drink more water Tinman, a lot more.

[rjt123]

LMAO

Knew I could count on you, man!

[Tinman507]

I don't have the control anymore to dot the "i"

[7shot]

Texas was an independent republic before becoming a state, the only state to be so, and was brought into the United States under a treaty. I seem to remember that there was a provision in that treaty that allowed Texas to secede under certain circumstances. Am I remembering it wrong?

Not anymore...so says they news this morning.

[OldLincoln]

http://wtpotus.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/nancy-pelosi-on-botox.jpg
Claire Osterman - President for Life

[Bawanna]

Bawanna, here you go

Cheese grater time again.

[O'Dell]

Not anymore...so says they news this morning.

I don't understand "Not anymore". If it was in the treaty originally, it's still in the treaty. Did Texas relinquish their rights?

[rjt123]

I don't understand "Not anymore". If it was in the treaty originally, it's still in the treaty. Did Texas relinquish their rights?


Not so much "relinquished". Just backed the wrong side in "The War of Northern Agression".

Seriously, when I was in high school, I was on a school trip to Austin, and we took a tour of the Texas capitol building. In the rotunda, there were several documents on display. One of them was an old document, and the script was kind of funny, but if I read it correctly....this was the resolution, or whatever, that Texas passed when it withdrew from the Union (seceeded) when the Civil War began. Still on display. So while Texas might have once had the technical right to seceed, that horse has left the barn, so to speak. :mad:

[O'Dell]

Not so much "relinquished". Just backed the wrong side in "The War of Northern Agression".

Seriously, when I was in high school, I was on a school trip to Austin, and we took a tour of the Texas capitol building. In the rotunda, there were several documents on display. One of them was an old document, and the script was kind of funny, but if I read it correctly....this was the resolution, or whatever, that Texas passed when it withdrew from the Union (seceeded) when the Civil War began. Still on display. So while Texas might have once had the technical right to seceed, that horse has left the barn, so to speak. :mad:

You know, I totally forgot that the North-South unpleasantness took place after Texas joined the Union. Hummm, that throws a big monkey wrench in the whole secession thing. I guess it would take a better lawyer than me, or at least one with a different focus to figure that one out. Point taken.

BTW, the term "Civil War" is a misnomer since the South had no intention of usurping the government of the United States. They wanted to form a separate entity.

[downtownv]

If nothing else it let's the people make a statement!
WE the people don't like the way your running things! Sadly we didn't load up the seats of the old Yankee Stadium with all politicians, prior to imploding the building!
I signed the NJ succession petition. Hell Id sign one to secede from NJ too if they had one, given their anti 2nd amendment rights attitude!

[JohnR]

All 57 states, one to go. The million man petition is bumping Sex from the headlines.

[OldLincoln]

"They're coming to take guns away ha ha, they're coming to take guns away he he." Damn thing just popped in my head.

[MO_Soldier]

What are you talking about JohnH?

I'm anxious to see where all of this goes for sure.

[O'Dell]

What are you talking about JohnH?

I'm anxious to see where all of this goes for sure.


If you're referring to the states comment, while he was campaigning in 2008, Obama said that he had been to 57 states with one more to go. Personally, since he was educated in Indonesia and Hawaii, I doubt that he knew the number of states. Private schools in Hawaii teach Hawaiian history, not American.

[Scoundrel]

Something else for secessionists to keep in mind:
http://gizmodo.com/5960290/this-is-the-real-political-map-of-america-hint-we-are-not-that-divided

"This is the real political map of the United States of America after the presidential election. A fascinating view, much different from the maps you saw that night, which showed an artificial, binary divide. But these maps demonstrate that there is not such a huge gap between rural and urban America."

"The third map of the column is much more accurate. Created by Mark Newman—from the Department of Physics and Center for the Study of Complex Systems, University of Michigan—it mixes blue and red based on popular vote percentage instead of showing a binary representation."

"There's no huge area of red. There is a gradient. A lot of purple. That's the accurate map that reflects the actual result of the election. It also shows that the divide between the cities and the countryside is not that huge. There are differences of opinion everywhere."

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/1857r5yihj9c7jpg/original.jpg

[CrabbyAzz]

All 57 states, one to go. The million man petition is bumping Sex from the headlines.

Wow, we democrats only recognize 50 states.

[Bawanna]

Well seems simple enough to me. Lets draw a line straight north and south from the east boundary of Missouri or whatever it takes to include all of Texas.
I'd like to include Tennessee but it can't be helped. We'll transfer country music to another better location, hopefully close to where ever I end up. Can't hear it good anymore but I still like it.

Everything East is the loser libs, and everything West is ours. Makes me sick to my stomach that where I live is so Blue.

We'll declare California as a free fire zone. (Old Lincoln, get out now).

Maybe western Washington needs to be a free fire zone too, guess I'll have to move too.

[Barth]

http://www.reformation.org/dis-united-states.gif

[Tinman507]

I guess I'm gonna have to go guerrilla being behind enemy lines and all.

Not sure I like the idea of no underwear in our winters but oh well. Ce LaVie

[Barth]

http://media.cnbc.com/i/CNBC/Sections/News_And_Analysis/_Specials/2012_Apocalypse/Slideshow/BadPredictions/SS_13_Spectacularly_Wrong_Predictions_Panarin.jpg

[melissa5]

If you're referring to the states comment, while he was campaigning in 2008, Obama said that he had been to 57 states with one more to go. Personally, since he was educated in Indonesia and Hawaii, I doubt that he knew the number of states. Private schools in Hawaii teach Hawaiian history, not American.

There are 57 Muslim states. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_Organisation_of_Islamic_Coope ration

[Barth]

There are 57 Muslim states. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_Organisation_of_Islamic_Coope ration

I still think he's an alien...
http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/74500/Alien-Obama--74938.jpghttp://www.amnation.com/vfr/Obama%20as%20Brother%20from%20Another%20Planet.jpg

[Bawanna]

I guess I'm gonna have to go guerrilla being behind enemy lines and all.

Not sure I like the idea of no underwear in our winters but oh well. Ce LaVie

Pack up now Tinman, get out now while you still can.

[Bawanna]

Please no more monkey pictures. Things are bad enough without visual reinforcement.

[Tinman507]

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://cachicha.com/wp-content/uploads/gorila1.jpg&sa=X&ei=gS6lULf0J4nJ0QH-64HYAQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFSLMc6GftZPTGua2F5UjS1LNPmAQ

[Barth]

http://www.eurthisnthat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/confed-states-to-now-smlr.jpg

[Barth]

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://cachicha.com/wp-content/uploads/gorila1.jpg&sa=X&ei=gS6lULf0J4nJ0QH-64HYAQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFSLMc6GftZPTGua2F5UjS1LNPmAQ

http://www.collativelearning.com/PICS%20FOR%20WEBSITE/posters/planet-of-the-apes.jpg

[Bawanna]

Jocko I have a shipping request to PA. Expedite overnight shipping. Put it on my account.

Thanks.

[downtownv]

Wow, we democrats only recognize 50 states.

Not according to your beloved Obama when campaigning in 2007!:ohmy:

[melissa5]

He's the beast

http://www.bahamasb2b.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/obama-devil.jpg

[Bawanna]

Jocko, I'll need another shipment to Costa Rica (where the hell is Costa Rica anyhow?) Have to look it up. Imagine there's an extra charge for that one but go ahead.

[MLESa7990]

http://www.eurthisnthat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/confed-states-to-now-smlr.jpg

What is this showing?

[les strat]

Not according to your beloved Obama when campaigning in 2007!:ohmy:

Yep. This, he did.

It's not like it surprised me. Non-citizens of the US are not up on things like that.

[Armybrat]

Texas was an independent republic before becoming a state, the only state to be so, and was brought into the United States under a treaty. I seem to remember that there was a provision in that treaty that allowed Texas to secede under certain circumstances. Am I remembering it wrong?

No, that's a myth.

However, Texas can legally divide itself up into FIVE separate states and send a total of TEN senators to Washington.

Now that certainly would annoy those DC sumbiches, wouldn't it? :D

[Bawanna]

Ok, I vote we do that! Wait I don't live in Texas but I do have a hat, can I vote? I mean if I'm alive and a legal US resident?

[Armybrat]

Now that's funny. You've been dabbling into some of that newly legalized weed.

I lived in Texas for a bit and I can tell you they won't be going blue. They won't be red either if things don't turn around. I mean this as a compliment when I say they are the kings of F___ you. :53:

You got that right. :)

http://www.ericsiegmund.com/images/fireant/iraq/cometakeit.jpg

My Colt Texas Sesquicentennial 45:

http://i522.photobucket.com/albums/w349/ScoPro/EasterTable027.jpg

[Armybrat]

Ok, I vote we do that! Wait I don't live in Texas but I do have a hat, can I vote? I mean if I'm alive and a legal US resident?

Sure, we'll let ya vote here - half of Mexico does anyway. ;)

[jocko]

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://cachicha.com/wp-content/uploads/gorila1.jpg&sa=X&ei=gS6lULf0J4nJ0QH-64HYAQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFSLMc6GftZPTGua2F5UjS1LNPmAQ

Igotta say I love this one, outstanding. I wish I could forward it to my coffee friends,but I don't knowhow to do that.

outstanding Tinman, ur now back doing what u seem to do best..

:third::third::third::third::third::third:

[O'Dell]

No, that's a myth.

However, Texas can legally divide itself up into FIVE separate states and send a total of TEN senators to Washington.

Now that certainly would annoy those DC sumbiches, wouldn't it? :D

Yeah, I knew about the five states thing but this thread was about secession. I still think the secession issue was in the original treaty, but I haven't looked it up. Also as someone else brought up, Texas has already seceded once.

[Scoundrel]

Yeah, I knew about the five states thing but this thread was about secession. I still think the secession issue was in the original treaty, but I haven't looked it up. Also as someone else brought up, Texas has already seceded once.

I wonder if anyone who votes for secession can still legally answer "No" on question 11j of Form 4473 Part I?

You know, the question that asks "Have you ever renounced your United States citizenship?" on the paper thingy you sign your name on (and therefore give your honor-bound word to the accuracy of) when buying a gun?

[Bawanna]

Never gave that much thought, its the sanity question that always trips me up, I always have to ask for a definition of same.

[Scoundrel]

Every time I check "No" on that question, I think about the folks in Freedom County, WA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_County,_Washington), and about how they lie on their applications when they buy guns.

[Tinman507]

Since the US Government is not likely to recognize the secession, they won't look at it as renouncement. So since they're calling the shots, you're not answering untruthfully.

[Scoundrel]

Heck, even the rest of Snohomish County doesn't recognize the secession.

But the question is not asking whether you've legally seceeded from the US or not.
It is asking whether you've renounced your citizenship. And, since these folks have declared themselves separate, whether the government recognizes this or not, they have renounced their citizenship.

I don't really know, I'm not a lawyer, but that's how I see it.

[Bawanna]

Heck, even the rest of Snohomish County doesn't recognize the secession.

But the question is not asking whether you've legally seceeded from the US or not.
It is asking whether you've renounced your citizenship. And, since these folks have declared themselves separate, whether the government recognizes this or not, they have renounced their citizenship.

I don't really know, I'm not a lawyer, but that's how I see it.

Every day when you wake up Scoundrel I want you to thank the Lord your not a lawyer. I do this myself. A good way to start the day.

Sorry J Noble Dagget.

[Scoundrel]

I just did a bit of searching on this, out of curiosity. I don't have the time/patience to verify the authenticity of this information, but it sounds reasonable.

From a thread on the AR-15 forum (http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1341376):

"To renounce your citizenship you must go to another country, and then go to the US Embassy there. At the Embassy you will tell them you want to renounce your citizenship, you have to give a statement stating this, and some paperwork. After that you are escorted out the Embassy gates and on to the soil of whatever country you are in.

Learned this at a SHOT Show seminar given by a retired ATF agent. The 4473 question about renouncing your citizenship was put in because of Oswald. Oswald had at one time left the US and lived in Russia, then came back to the US."

I don't know IF or HOW this is relevant to secession, but I guess if that's the way the government sees it, and you've never done it, then you're not lying on the app.

I have to wonder if the government has a list of people who have signed that secession application, and whether they get denied when they attempt to purchase guns.

I've skimmed the first page of this article in the Everett Herald (http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20001029/NEWS01/10290717) (Everett is in Snohomish County, but is South of the "contested" area. I will go back and read it more carefully later because I am genuinely interested in what this is all about, but from what I have seen thus far, it's a relatively small group of people, led by a nut case.

[downtownv]

http://wtpotus.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/nancy-pelosi-on-botox.jpg
Oooohh I'm gonna puke!

[Bawanna]

The next person that post that picture or even quotes that picture or a picture of the monkey will be on my very bad side

[Scoundrel]

You mean this one?

[Bawanna]

Wow, I actually find that appealing in a twisted sort of way.

[Scoundrel]

What if I cut it up with scissors first?

[Tinman507]

very Piccaso-esque

[Scoundrel]

How about a zombie version?

[Bawanna]

Nope, your going backwards, you can still see the original product which naturally wants to reverse the flow of my normal digestive tract.

[melissa5]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gcA0ZuKGkI8/Sg4dNzN4zgI/AAAAAAAAA7w/ZlIzXGceh_M/s400/Pelosi_Monkeys.jpg

[mr surveyor]

y'all are really making me sick with these disgusting images.... I think I'm gonna go outside, pull the clean out plug on the septic tank and stick my hand down there and see what I can fish out. Even that probably wouldn't get those disgusting pelosi images out of my head.

[johnh]

Wow, and I thought Hillary was ..... homely. Maybe we are getting an idea why Dems hate Sarah Palin so much. They are jealous the other side has all the hotties. :)

[JFootin]

I've always had a thing for Ann Coulter. Slender, gorgeous blonde hair, plus that sharp mind and wit! :p

[OldLincoln]

John, I see her as attractive but sure wouldn't want to drive with her on a cross country trip. She wears me down just being on O'Riley. A tad too crisp for me. Sarah is a women libber's dream and that's why they hate her. Just like Condie Rice is a black women libber's dream yet they claimed she wasn't really black and trashed her. Of course all those arguments that they used on Condie (she was ONLY half black) disappeared when half black Obama came on the scene.

We live in a strange world, we do. I'm kinda looking forward to Dec 23, 2012. Maybe the folks can get it right the next time around.

[Longitude Zero]

I have invented a new term , "A Pelosi".

A Pelosi refers to a person who is an abortion that lived. May that whore slutbag burn in hell!!!

[Tinman507]

LZ, don't sugar coat it, we're big girls and can handle the truth.

[Bawanna]

Obama Angry with Texas ! Says he will never come back here and will do all he can to convince us to secede! Here's why... THEY SAY THIS HAPPENED IN San Antonio last week!!! Obama will be making no more public speeches in Texas ...... He claims every time he gets up on stage to make a speech, some South Texas cotton farmers start bidding on him. God Bless San Antonio God Bless Texas ! Ya' GOTTA' Love Texas !!

[Tinman507]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7nQCnPaagKA/TQq7DmT1K3I/AAAAAAAAAII/93gZTx5BYxI/s1600/blazing-saddles-355.jpg

[O'Dell]

I've always had a thing for Ann Coulter. Slender, gorgeous blonde hair, plus that sharp mind and wit! :p

Me too - I still have a picture from one of her books where she's sitting on the steps of a cabin firing a rifle into the woods. However, she's becoming more and more 'off the wall' lately. I think I'll switch to Michelle Malkin.

[O'Dell]

Every day when you wake up Scoundrel I want you to thank the Lord your not a lawyer. I do this myself. A good way to start the day.

Sorry J Noble Dagget.

Hey, Bawanna - I am a lawyer even if I no longer work at it. I think I'm offended. ;)

[Bawanna]

I'm sorry both that your a lawyer and that I offended you.

The fact that you don't work at it may be a sign of healing.

You know I love you (not in any mano mano way ya understand) despite your past.

My distaste for lawyers, judges, and authority are not good for me in my position, that is for sure.

[JFootin]

Me too - I still have a picture from one of her books where she's sitting on the steps of a cabin firing a rifle into the woods. However, she's becoming more and more 'off the wall' lately. I think I'll switch to Michelle Malkin.

Yeah, Michelle is a cutie, too! :p