I have a new Walther PPQ!

[JFootin]

PPQ = Police Pistol Quick-action (http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10002&catalogId=13102&content=11001)

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/Walther/upload/images/cat_page_ppq_tech_lg.jpg

This pistol takes ergonomics to a whole new level. Everyone raves about the trigger, the feel, the balance. Professionals and experienced gun owners who have HKs, Sigs, S&W M&Ps, Glocks and other fine and even much more expensive firearms are saying this is the best gun they have ever owned! Hickok45 on YouTube loved shooting it so much that his range test and review spans 2 videos and over 300 rounds of ammo. He just couldn't get enough of shooting the PPQ, hitting every single target on his range, even the most distant ones, multiple times.

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/PPQandFrankensteinSmaller.jpg

There was a delay in shipping at Grabagun, so I don't know whether I will have this beauty in my hands before or after Thanksgiving. Sigh. :(

[mluikey]

looks like a great gun, I look forward to your review.

[wyntrout]

Anticipation<music>... SUCKS! I've been there many times. My FFL is closed Mondays and his hours are 11-7PM, which causes conflicts with MAIL delivery... late hours and all, plus he takes off early or closes unannounced some days!

I guess this will be YOUR "battle pistol"! :D

Good luck! I hope you get it soonest and you love it!

Wynn:)

[Barth]

Pictures and a Range Report are new gun posting requirements you know.

We all wait and watch...


Anticipation is the worst.
I grabbed my HK45C right out of the display case (last one).
But had to order the DA/SA to LEM conversion kit from Vegas.
And then my gunsmith had problems doing the conversion.
Fortunately I have him do so much work for me that he came in on his day off just to finish the gun before my vacation.

In the end everything worked out fine.

Timing is everything.
The LGS HK case is nearly empty now.
With no ETA on when any new guns will arrive.
LEM conversion kits are out of stock with no ETA either.

[JFootin]

I look forward to having it in my possession. I had to put it on layaway in order to secure the gun while it was available, and then wait 3 agonizingly slow weeks until I could pay if off Wednesday morning. The gun was already pulled from inventory, packed and labeled, sitting on the layaway shelf. So I asked them to be sure and get it on the truck Wednesday. Grabagun.com ships guns by USPS Priority Mail, so no overnight delivery like from Bud's. I checked the tracking this morning and it didn't look like USPS had the package yet. So I called, they checked, and the package had fallen on the floor between two crates in the warehouse and was missed! :nerd: They apologized and assured me it will go out today. But it has to travel from Podunk, TX to Podunk, NC by USPS that are overtaxed with holiday business this time of year. My FFL said he doesn't think it will get here before Thanksgiving. Grabagun are more optomistic. But my FFL isn't in the office on Wednesdays and Thursday is thanksgiving. So I don't know when I will get it. :32:

I wish I could have got it from Bud's. It would have been more money, but I would have my gun today (unless Bud's shipping is backed up, which happens during gun rushes like ... now!). But I would still probably have got it quicker than the Grabagun snail mail.

I will have more pics, range reports and holster reviews to post in coming days.

[Barth]

I look forward to having it in my possession. I had to put it on layaway in order to secure the gun while it was available, and then wait 3 agonizingly slow weeks until I could pay if off Wednesday morning. The gun was already pulled from inventory, packed and labeled, sitting on the layaway shelf. So I asked them to be sure and get it on the truck Wednesday. Grabagun.com ships guns by USPS Priority Mail, so no overnight delivery like from Bud's. I checked the tracking this morning and it didn't look like USPS had the package yet. So I called, they checked, and the package had fallen on the floor between two crates in the warehouse and was missed! :nerd: They apologized and assured me it will go out today. But it has to travel from Podunk, TX to Podunk, NC by USPS that are overtaxed with holiday business this time of year. My FFL said he doesn't think it will get here before Thanksgiving. Grabagun are more optomistic. But my FFL isn't in the office on Wednesdays and Thursday is thanksgiving. So I don't know when I will get it. :32:

I wish I could have got it from Bud's. It would have been more money, but I would have my gun today (unless Bud's shipping is backed up, which happens during gun rushes like ... now!). But I would still probably have got it quicker than the Grabagun snail mail.

I will have more pics, range reports and holster reviews to post in coming days.

I've always gotten my guns in two business days.
Even coast to coast.
I think you may still get it before Thanksgiving.

[JFootin]

I've always gotten my guns in two business days.
Even coast to coast.
I think you may still get it before Thanksgiving.

I sure hope so, but this is USPS Priority Mail, not UPS Overnight Air or Two Day. We'll see. I've waited this long, so I can wait it out. I keep on reading the glowing reviews from everyone who has gotten their hands on one, so I am really pleased with my decision! :D

[ripley16]

I've only been able to fondle a PPQ, but it felt ever bit as nice as the HK P30. I do have a P99c QA, which is a very nice pistol. I'm sure you're going to like the Walther. The trigger sounds much like the QA, which is very fast to shoot on the P99c. I really like the paddle mag release the Walther and HK brands now use. Enjoy your new Walther, I'm sure you'll love it.

[Barth]

I really like the paddle mag release the Walther and HK brands now use.

I never dreamed I'd say this.
But actually think I favor the HK P30/HK45C style mag release.

[les strat]

JF, USPS might not be as busy as you think.

[Scoundrel]

I sure hope so, but this is USPS Priority Mail, not UPS Overnight Air or Two Day. We'll see. I've waited this long, so I can wait it out. I keep on reading the glowing reviews from everyone who has gotten their hands on one, so I am really pleased with my decision! :D

I've always had good results with USPS Priority Mail. It's usually faster than I expect.

Mine arrived last week. Ordered it at "Discount Gun Sales" (chain store) and they transferred one from another location, had it in a couple of days. Been out shooting once, and it was fantastic. I used S&B, PMC, and even abused it with some Wolf. It ran fine, no failures.

Great gun!

[Alfonse]

Nice pistol. Can't wait to hear more about it.

[QuercusMax]

Might seem hard to believe now, but I still think that anticipation is part of the enjoyment.

Once it arrives, a new form of enjoyment will begin.

And then you can share it with us.

[chrish]

Supposedly the best stock trigger in existence. Handled one at the LGS back right after they hit, its one sweet sweet pistol. Gonna be hard not to like it me thinks.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

[Scoundrel]

Not trying to hijack JFootin's thread, but since he doesn't have his yet:

(This is a re-post from another thread on this forum. Hope that doesn't break any forum rules I'm not aware of.)

I recently went to the range and tried out a Springfield XDM, S&W M&P 9, Ruger SR9, and Walther PPQ. All 9mm. Didn't get to play with different backstraps on any of them, of course.

The Springfield felt OK. This one had been worn in so the stipples were a little rounded, not all sharp like the one in the gun shop, but still a bit rough. That one shot OK but seemed a bit awkward to me.

The S&W felt better in my hand, but the fit and finish was just not there. I have a couple other M&Ps (rifles) which I really like, so I expected to like the M&P 9, but I was not impressed with their implementation of the 9mm.

The Ruger seemed like it was assembled out of spare parts in a Harley factory. That's pretty much par for the course for Ruger guns, but usually they have redeeming qualities. I didn't find any in the SR9.

The Walther was like a breath of fresh air after being in a full meeting room on a warm day. Even for an abused range gun, it was holding together well. The fit and finish was good. It fit my hand well. I could reach the controls. It felt "natural" to me.

I fired best with the Walther. With the Springfield, I could shoot pretty good 5" groups at 15 feet if I concentrated and took my time between shots. With the Walther, I was shooting those same groups while shooting about twice as fast, concentrating less. When I took my time and placed my shots carefully, I was shooting 2" groups at 15 feet.

[JFootin]

Thanks Scoundrel. That is typical of everything I have been reading for a long time about the PPQ!

[chrish]

Thanks Scoundrel. That is typical of everything I have been reading for a long time about the PPQ!

I read a comment or something somewhere, review maybe...anyway, comment was that the PPQ in every way out-Glocks a Glock, just to piss off the Glock folks here. But I wouldn't know, I'm in love with my mile-long-pull Sig P250. :D

[Scoundrel]

Well, there are a couple of areas they don't out-Glock the Glocks.
1. Nobody makes a 30-round magazine for them.
2. Threaded barrels are rare and expensive.

Walther made a threaded barrel for the first edition PPQ, but nobody knows where to buy them. People who have them, and are selling them, want $350-$400 for them.

Jarvis Custom makes drop-in threaded barrels for them for $277. A little spendy, but there you are. I ordered one, and I'll let you know how it fits when it arrives and I take it to the range. But, it's gonna be a LONG time before I can tell you how the 9mm suppressor works out.

[chrish]

Well, there are a couple of areas they don't out-Glock the Glocks.
1. Nobody makes a 30-round magazine for them.
2. Threaded barrels are rare and expensive.

Walther made a threaded barrel for the first edition PPQ, but nobody knows where to buy them. People who have them, and are selling them, want $350-$400 for them.

Jarvis Custom makes drop-in threaded barrels for them for $277. A little spendy, but there you are. I ordered one, and I'll let you know how it fits when it arrives and I take it to the range. But, it's gonna be a LONG time before I can tell you how the 9mm suppressor works out.

Yea, the super hi capacity mag is one, the price of the mags are another, they are not cheap. Spare parts are another. I ended up bypassing the PPQ for 3 reasons mag price/availability, trigger just too short reset for my taste, parts/service. But it was definitely a sweet trigger and if I had unlimited funds, I'd have one in the collection.

I hope the Glock folks KNOW I was just ribbing you...

[PattayaPistol]

JFootin, I am sure you will love that gun. It is the only gun I am waiting on at the moment. I was really looking forward to the HK P40 but that gun just did not make it into production. The closest thing to the P40 with most likely a far better trigger is the PPQ. Unfortunately I search all the gun shops here in Thailand, and they just aren't here yet. As German guns come to Thailand via USA (due to some legal requirements) and as the PPQ is so in demand in USA, I don't expect to find one any time soon.

So JFootin, I expect a range report, pictures and a thread with your thoughts on the gun and I will be able to experience the PPQ vicariously.

Enjoy, I am so jealous. And a :D

PP

[Popeye]

Those Walthers are sweet. That one has alot of nice features on it. Combine that with Walther quality and it's hard to beat. Congradulations. I also can't wait for the range report . Only Walther I ever fired was my Buddies PPS9 and I have to say I really liked that pistol and would take it in a minute over the Shield. As far as small 9mm go I'm still pretty darned happy with my PM9 but if I wasn't I'm pretty sure the PPS9 would be taking it's place. As I shot it very well for a pistol I never touched before.

[Barth]

Those Walthers are sweet. That one has alot of nice features on it. Combine that with Walther quality and it's hard to beat. Congradulations. I also can't wait for the range report . Only Walther I ever fired was my Buddies PPS9 and I have to say I really liked that pistol and would take it in a minute over the Shield. As far as small 9mm go I'm still pretty darned happy with my PM9 but if I wasn't I'm pretty sure the PPS9 would be taking it's place. As I shot it very well for a pistol I never touched before.

Came very close to getting a Walther PPQ.
Ended up with a H&K P30 40 Light LEM.
I love that gun, but am not sure I can justify the $900 price tag.

I keep looking at a Walther PPS 9mm.
It looks sweet.
When I get to close to buying one - I take my Kahr MK40 Elite to the range.

For the price,
the Walther PPQ may well be one of the very best high capacity compacts available.

As for my HK45C at $999?
That one is worth every penny.

[JFootin]

I checked the tracking on my gun and it says:
Expected Delivery By:
November 17, 2012

Signature Confirmation™




I talked with my FFL and he said they usually show up about 2:30 and he likes to leave at 3:00. I live just 1/4 mile away, so I told him to call me and I'd be there in a flash! :D:D:D

Here is what I am hoping to see tomorrow afternoon!
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/SW/PPQ_Box.jpg

[JFootin]

Well, there are a couple of areas they don't out-Glock the Glocks.
1. Nobody makes a 30-round magazine for them.
2. Threaded barrels are rare and expensive.

Walther made a threaded barrel for the first edition PPQ, but nobody knows where to buy them. People who have them, and are selling them, want $350-$400 for them.

Jarvis Custom makes drop-in threaded barrels for them for $277. A little spendy, but there you are. I ordered one, and I'll let you know how it fits when it arrives and I take it to the range. But, it's gonna be a LONG time before I can tell you how the 9mm suppressor works out.

I am not interested in a threaded barrel, or night sights. The only thing I am considering is what a guy on the Walther Forum did...


PPQ....and butter?
Buttery smooth that is http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Well,...long story short - my PPQ trigger was not as "smooth" as I thought it could be. I think the whole discussion on the gritty triggers has merit, but the trigger is so good regardless...it's almost to a point of splitting hairs. I mean, my "gritty" trigger - was better and smoother than all of the poly triggers I shot or dry fired prior.

That said...oil worked in smoothing it out a bit...placed on the points in the manual and per the recommendations posted on this forum - but temporarily. As the oil dried out - the pull would gradually get grittier. I wanted,... well...a fix. So I sent that bad boy of a FPB "safety plunger" off to get nickel Teflon coated!!

I dropped it in today...and it is BUTTER! No bending of any trigger bars, or over greasing of the FPB - this thing is smooth. So...for those looking for a solution...this worked for me. http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gifhttp://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx10/fifthward_p2000/PPQFPB.jpg

The Firing Pin Block, or Striker Block, or Safety Plunger is the light colored piece. It just cost him $14.95 including return shipping to get it done.

Magnum Research has 15 round mags for the Baby Desert Eagle that are made by the same manufacturer and sell for a little under $30. The only difference is the branding on the bottom of the mag base and a shinier black finish. If you are a perfectionist, pay twice as much for one with a duller finish and PPQ on the base. I'd rather have 2 of the MR mags.

[Scoundrel]

Maybe I'm heavy on the trigger finger or something, but I've never really been able to tell what people are talking about with that. I mean, I've felt gritty triggers when I had a really dirty gun, but when clean, I've never really identified a problem.

I've noticed and felt the difference when installing different hammers for lighter pulls and shorter travel, but as for the smoothness, it's just never been an issue for me with a clean gun.

Good info about the magazines though. Too bad I've already ordered all of the additional ones I'll need. Though, now, I am tempted to get a couple more. Do you have a link for that?

[JFootin]

Here is a link on the Magum Research mags. There are two kinds of mags for these guns, but only the Fast Action mags work for the PPQ.

https://desertvalleyfirearms.com/product_info.php?cPath=70_536&products_id=8312

[QuercusMax]

To Mr. Footin,

I think it's very cool that you are so excited about your soon-to-arrive new toy. Clearly you have done a lot of research on it and surely will be very excited by its arrival. I hope it meets or exceeds your expectations.

From time to time I read things from people who have a lot of this or that, including lots of guns, but I rarely hear how happy or excited they are. More is not always better.

In our society today many of us seem to be trapped between the rich who have everything but don't appreciate it, and the so-called "poor" who don't seem to appreciate things either but for very different reasons.

I truly mean this, but it is fun to see someone so happy and excited as you are. Good shooting!

[JFootin]

Maybe I'm heavy on the trigger finger or something, but I've never really been able to tell what people are talking about with that. I mean, I've felt gritty triggers when I had a really dirty gun, but when clean, I've never really identified a problem.

I've noticed and felt the difference when installing different hammers for lighter pulls and shorter travel, but as for the smoothness, it's just never been an issue for me with a clean gun.

When I experience this is when a gun is getting hot from a lot of rounds thru it at the range. The trigger seems to develop some noticeable resistance. I have noticed it in my CM9, my TCP and in my shooting buddy's Caracal C which has a trigger very similar to the PPQ. I am going to clean it up and get to the range a.s.a.p. to put some ammo thru it. If I discern any of that resistance, then I will send my FPB to that place and get it coated. For just $15, why not?

[JFootin]

To Mr. Footin,

I think it's very cool that you are so excited about your soon-to-arrive new toy. Clearly you have done a lot of research on it and surely will be very excited by its arrival. I hope it meets or exceeds your expectations.

From time to time I read things from people who have a lot of this or that, including lots of guns, but I rarely hear how happy or excited they are. More is not always better.

In our society today many of us seem to be trapped between the rich who have everything but don't appreciate it, and the so-called "poor" who don't seem to appreciate things either but for very different reasons.

I truly mean this, but it is fun to see someone so happy and excited as you are. Good shooting!

Thanks QM. I live on meager funds. I am on permanent disability because of a slowly progressive hereditary paralysis. So every gun purchase is a really big deal for me that doesn't happen very often. And, yes, I am very happy and excited! Unless I get disappointed by the USPS, I should have the gun in my possession by mid-afternoon tomorrow. Whoopee! :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

[JFootin]

Some comments from PPQ owners:


My friend with a highly modified Glock 17 said "?uck you" after a full day of shooting his Glock to his best groups and trying my PPQ for a few rounds. Of course he meant it in the best way possible.
I went to the range a couple months ago to qualify, and the deputy saw what I had and said "I should be blind folded because that gun will shoot it's self" and that "it is the Cadilac of guns."

[Scoundrel]

So if they're thought of so highly, and the price isn't crazy (I hear Glocks are spendy too), they why aren't more people buying them instead of Glocks? Marketing fail?

[JFootin]

Walther's presense and marketing in the US is very weak. So much so that hardly any gun magazines have even reviewed the PPQ. Walther allied with S&W to support and distribute the product, and S&W have been very ho-hum about it. Next year, the partnership ends and Walther will be establishing their own service, support, distribution and marketing in the US. Therefore, the visibility of their products will be improving. So, yes, marketing fail.

[JFootin]

:mad::40::32::( The Post Office lied! My gun arrived locally in the early morning well before dawn, but they were too lazy to load it on the truck! Next delivery at my FFL is about 5:00pm Monday. So at least 2 more days of waiting. Geez!!! I'm pulling my hair out! :w00t:

[Scoundrel]

Bummer!

[QuercusMax]

Glock, schmock. Your PPQ will run rings around it.

Question: Would James Bond choose a PPQ if he were just starting out today?

[JFootin]

James has superb taste, so he probably would!

Larry Vickers has been using/testing a PPQ 9mm for a while now. Here is a post/update from yesterday on the PPQ on another forum.

http://m4carbine.net/image.php?u=3157&dateline=1207537389 (http://m4carbine.net/member.php?u=3157) Larry Vickers (http://m4carbine.net/member.php?u=3157) Offline
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I'm still very impressed with the PPQ - I only teach with it on occasion as I sell Glock parts and Glocks are the most common pistol I see in classes so unless something develops in the sponsored shooter area with the PPQ ( which is possible ) I will continue to only use it part time

I think it is the best new polymer frame striker fired handgun to come on the market in quite awhile; I really like the HK P30 and the PPQ addressed the only real issue with that pistol - the trigger

Honestly my only complaint is a lack of aftermarket sights - the gun is a winner

[JFootin]

Just passing the time, reading posts on the Walther Forum. People that really did some research and tried a lot of guns before deciding on the PPQ....


I got mine after taking a training class with Larry Vickers. He used a PPQ during the class. I said, if Larry Vickers uses a PPQ I should at least look at it. I'm glad I did. I also purchased a PPQ 40SW.


This purchase was to be my first "real" firearm, .22lr pistols don't count.http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif

So, I started researching and asking friends that have decent gun collections to take me shooting. I got to shoot a lot of Glocks and a few S&W models I can't remember. After a few trips out to the range I was pretty convinced I wanted a .45 based mostly on shooting my buddies competition prepped Kimber.

After going to my LGS and talking with the gunsmith who is a retired sniper he changed my mind. He asked what I wanted and why, when I told him it would be my first gun and I'd like my wife to also be able to shoot it he took his 1911 off his hip dropped the magazine , checked the chamber, emptied the magazine, put the magazine back in it and handed it to me and said "Look at this gun, it's a nice gun, probably my favorite but, do you think you or your wife would have the knowledge or presence of mind to make this gun ready to fire after being woken from sound sleep and faced with an intruder somewhere in your home? I'm going with no. Maybe someday but, not today. Hell, I'd probably have a hard time doing it. This is why I don't recommend a 1911 as a first gun."

He then went on to recommend the M&P 9mm. I asked why not a Glock and he said "Nothing wrong with Glock, they are reliable and a good gun... I just don't think you need to buy an ugly gun for it to be reliable."http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I asked "Why not a .45?" and he said "The best thing you can do is go out and shoot... a lot. There is no better way to get familiar with your weapon."

After that I started researching the M&P and stumbled across the PPQ thanks to the S&W connection. I instantly liked this gun. I'm left handed, the wife is right handed, PPQ has ambidextrous slide and mag release, that's a plus. It also looks pretty sweet which didn't hurt. Then I started reading all the reviews and thought "I need to go shoot one of these."

I found a local gun shop that had one for rent. We shot the PPQ, Glock 19 Compensated, P226 Combat, HK P30. I was the most accurate with the P30 but, the PPQ felt best in my hand. The PPQ was very close to the P30 though and when factoring in that the PPQ was quite a bit less money than the Sig and HK it was a pretty easy decision. I ended up finding one at the local pawn shop and got it for a good price.

Since then I've put about 750 rounds through it with no issues and love it.


I picked up my PPQ back in April after researching a little bit via lurking these forums, reading up on the Walther sight, and checking video reviews by Hickok45 and NutnFancy. About five years ago I picked up a Springfield XD 45, but was not a very active range shooter; I had initially wanted to pick up a P99 but couldn't locate one, so I "settled" for the XD. Anyway, I sold the XD and picked up a PPQ 40. It probably has well over 2000 rounds through it now without a hiccup.

In October I finally located a PPQ 9 locally that wasn't overpriced, I decided on it after going through a laundry list of pistols: FNX-9, M&P 9 (already own a M&P9C), CZ-75 (couldn't find a full-sized one at a decent price), Browning HiPower (older model), a Beretta 92, and a Sig Pro 2022. I knew I could handle the M&P, and the price tags on most of these pistols was well below the price on the others, however nothing could beat the PPQ's trigger and ease of use. After three weeks of shopping around I walked in and picked up the PPQ 9 without hesitation and haven't looked back.

[JFootin]

This is insane! Why do any gun lovers still live in the Soviet Socialist State? This is what a guy had to do to legally purchase a Walther PPQ, which is not on the approved list and is, therefore, automatically considered to be an unsafe gun.


I was a recreational shooter from the mid-80's thorough early 90's, then got a succession of jobs that required a lot of traveling for months on end. Ended up selling of everything because of lack of use and concern about theft. And suddenly, almost 15 years had gone by.

My girlfriend and her dad started shooting semi-regularly which got me thinking of getting something of my own since I live almost an hour from them and wanted to go mid-week. Thought about getting another 1911 since that was my mainstay over the years, but wanted to try something new, too, like a polymer.

I have to admit that YouTube reviews(Hickcock45) and internet blog reports helped me get up to speed on what I'd missed in the last decade and a half. Shot some friends HK's and Sigs, liked them all, but didn't feel like dropping $1k+ on my first gun back. Glocks weren't an option for me because of the (lack of) ergonomics. Springfield was just releasing the XDm and that really caught my fancy since I loved my SA 1911 back in the day. Shot a few of my friend's XDs, liked them, and convinced myself the XDm was even better. I spent a few months obsessing about the XDm when I stumbled across someone's review of the PPQ.

I don't know what it was, but that ended my obsession with the XDm. The more I read owner testimonials, the more I liked the design. Since I live in California, there was no way to see or shoot it before buying (same for XDm), it would have to be a blind faith gamble. On top of that, the only way to get it in-state was through the Single Shot Exemption(SSE) which requires converting the gun to single shot operation and temporary replacement of the stock barrel with 10.5" one for the duration of the mandatory 10-day hold. [I know, it sounds insane, but this is CA - we do everything differently] On top of that, it adds $100 to the price. Anyway, by the time I got around to buying one in April, PPQ's were disappearing in the blink of an eye. My dealer only had one left, and it was a 40S&W. I'd never shot that round, but it was a "take it or wait a long time" situation.

Well, the gamble obviously paid off! The ergonomics are the best I have ever felt in a pistol. My smallish hands can easily work the slide release and mag release without shifting my grip (always a problem). Grip contour is up there with the best I've held. Trigger needs no praise. And the thing points naturally. In the 7 months since I bought it, my PPQ 40 has been shot side by side with a lot of the competition at and above it's price - I prefer it to all.





Please tell me you have pics of it with the 10.5" barrel installed. That just sounds ridiculous.It is, but you know lawmakers! And now that you mention it, I really wish I had taken some pictures.

There are only three real criterion to this whole thing:
1) that the pistol overall length exceeds 10.5"
2) that the pistol has to be manually feed 1 round at a time similar to a blot action rifle.
3) the gun must be fully functional and capable of firing in this configuration. It cannot be "faux" SSE

So, any participating FFL has 10"+ barrels made for the most popular off-list models of pistol and "rents" those to the person buying a pistol via the SSE exemption. So, when the FFL receives the pistol, he field strips it, inserts the long barrel, inserts a temporary magazine block, and lets it sit for 10 days. As soon as the buyer signs his DROS papers, the gun is field stripped again with the stock barrel replaced and mag block removed. The gun is now fully legal in the state of California(except 10+ round mags,which are legal to own as long as they stay disassembled in "kit" form). Any time after that, the gun can be legally sold or transferred without ever having to go through the SSE procedure again.


California Firearms Laws 2007 (http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/firearms/forms/Cfl2007.pdf) (end of pg 35)

Handgun Safety, Functionality, and Testing Requirements
No handgun may be manufactured or sold to the public in California unless it is of a make and model that has passed required safety and functionality tests and is approved for publication in the Department of Justice’s official list of handguns certified as safe for sale in California. Any person who manufactures, imports into the state for sale, sells, gives, or lends an unsafe handgun is guilty of a misdemeanor. (Penal Code § 12125.)

The current list of handguns certified as safe for sale in California is available on the Bureau of Firearms website (http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/certlist.htm).

Exceptions

* Single-shot pistols with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that have an overall length of at least 10 ½ inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled. (Penal Code § 12133.)

NOTE: The exemption for single-shot pistols from handgun safety testing only applies to the sales of complete firearms that meet the barrel length / overall length criteria outlined above. The sale of frames or stripped receivers by themselves is not affected by the exemption. Therefore, dealers may not sell any single-shot pistols that do not meet the aforementioned criteria. Additionally, firearms dealers should be cautious regarding the sale of “after market” barrel conversion kits available for some of the more popular single-shot pistols. The sale of an interchangeable barrel of less than 16 inches to a purchaser of such a firearm could expose the firearms dealer to criminal liability for aiding and abetting the manufacture of a short-barrel rifle. Who knows how long this loophole will stay in effect.

Here is the definitive source on CA's Single Shot Exemption (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=383692)

Even this guy has no regrets and describes his PPQ as better than all others! I have never been able to see, handle or shoot a PPQ, but it is stories like this that convince me I have chosen the absolute cream of the crop of compact double stack semiautos, regardless of price.

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Glock, schmock. Your PPQ will run rings around it.

Question: Would James Bond choose a PPQ if he were just starting out today?

Another satisfied customer...


Was lucky to choose this gun and to find one...
I'll admit I was drawn to the Walther brand initially purely from my passion for James Bond films. After doing a lot of research I found that Walther had a great reputation. Factor in the fact that I like German engineered products in general and it seemed like a no brainer. I decided on the PPQ after doing some more research into the various Walther models available. That's when things got tough. I started calling around the Atlanta area - no one had a PPQ. I started checking surrounding states - still no luck! Finally, after calling 20+ stores, I went back to my original list of GA gun shops and decided to try one more (at random). Not only did they have one but it was at list of $509.99 (scheduled to go up in price the next day). Wow! I raced there on my lunch hour and bought it immediately. Got in the car to go back to work and the first song on the radio is... "View to a Kill". That night, went to see "Skyfall" to complete the day! I guess it was destiny.

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after a couple of tries at the (as close as possible) perfect handgun to me, i ended up with a Sig P250 9mm (still love it/have it/wont get rid of it)but the long trigger pull left me "wanting"...but i dont know if that "wanting" ever goes away, or if it was just the trigger pull...anyway...I decided to start over from square 1 and just research with no bias, except for my eventual new purchase to be 9mm...after a long time of on-line research, many gun stores and friends range sessions I had concluded that it didnt get better than the HK P30 LEM...trigger was an exception, wasnt the best but life is about compromise....while at the store handling one (HK) for one last time before pulling the cash out, I looked down through the case and saw and odd looking gun (odd because i hadnt seen a Walther like this before) in the Walther section...asked the salesman about it and he said they just came out with the PPQ...so I asked to see it and held/dry fired/ and compared side by side with the HK...felt the Walther build was a little better, but grip customization on P30 was better....now i was stuck, the Walther was $200 cheaper....so back to research on the PPQ...after a few months, I was satisfied, but still hadnt fired one....went and bought it anyway, and have been nothing but amazed and suprised, and the "want" (for that purpose of gun) has vanished....and the funny thing is I ended up with another Walther, because I went through the same process for my concealed carry purchase and ended up with a 9mm PPS (no more "want" there either) ...and couldn't be happier....now, if Walther only made an AR or Bullpup......http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Interesting punctuation, isn't it? :)

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I finally got my PPQ this afternoon. A stupid thing happened at Grabagun or I would have had it Friday. It had fallen on the floor between two bins or carts in the shipping department Wednesday after I had paid it off, and didn't get shipped. They discovered it Thursday after I called them asking why I wasn't seeing any tracking input for it! :mad:



The gun is every bit as good as I expected it to be! The target that came with it has a 1" five shot group dead center that was shot at 15 meters. The slide racks easily. The ergos, the balance, the light weight and the perfect grip texture make it a great handling gun. And, man, what a trigger!!! It has .4" travel, .1" reset and awesome smoothness with zero creep or sloppiness. And it is designed so you can take up the foretravel which is light and stage it at a point where about 5.4 pounds will make it go bang. I have been dry firing it and it is so easy to let that trigger off with no movement of the sights at all. People talk about how the PPQ seems to make them better shooters, and I believe it!

BTW, this gun didn't come in cardboard. It came in a real nice, roomy plastic case with thick foam rubber lining and two lockable slide latches on either side of the carry handle.


The weather looks pretty nice, so I am hoping to get out and shoot it soon. :D

I'll try to get some pics tomorrow.

[APSKahr]

Glad you finally got it, that would have driven me crazy. I got mine weekend before last. It was only the second that I had seen in the last year. Overall I still prefer my G17 but the PPQ sure is nice. I'm going to order the Dawson sights as they have a tighter rear notch.

[Scoundrel]

Having done computer work for logistics companies that ship items for vendors, and thinking about the overall shipping process, I am sometimes amazed that shipping is as reliable as it is.

Silly mistakes like that can happen to anyone, and I'm glad that all you lost was your patience.

Have fun with it!

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Glad you finally got it, that would have driven me crazy. I got mine weekend before last. It was only the second that I had seen in the last year. Overall I still prefer my G17 but the PPQ sure is nice. I'm going to order the Dawson sights as they have a tighter rear notch.

I am not in a big rush, but I would like to replace that awkwardly shaped rear sight with the steel one that they use in Europe because it is more streamlined and shaped to match the shape of the slide. It's hard to find parts right now and S&W don't care, but things should improve next year when Walther dumps S&W and establishes a full sales, distribution, support and parts operation here in the U.S.

The reason they put those cheap adjustable plastic sights on them is to pass the U.S. laws regarding imported guns having lots of features and not being Saturday night specials.

[APSKahr]

I think my main issue with the sights is the size/shape of the notch/post dimensions (I've never really cared about looks) . It was exactly the same as the P22 I had. The rear notch is too shallow and too wide. I think this is why I can shoot my G17 more accurately b/c the sight picture is "tighter" with it's Trijicons. From the pics I've seen, the Dawson and Trijicon sights remedy this. The meprolight sights seem to be the same dimensions as stock.
Hard to find extra mags too! Magnum Research mags are sold out everywhere I've looked.

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I know what you are saying. But there is a reason it is that way. It is much quicker to line up the sights for a self defense situation with the rear sight the way it is. The pistol is designed for use by police, not a target pistol. For us private gun owners who only shoot our guns at the range and most likely will never in our lifetimes use them any other way, better sights are in order.

What kind of sights are you looking at from Dawson Pricision? Night sights? Fiber optic?

[APSKahr]

Yes, I understand the quick versus accurate sight picture but I think you can get a better combination of both than the stock sights. The sight picture like you can get with the Dawson or Trijicon sights gives you the fast enough sight picture while still being able to make accurate hits. Similar sight picture that is on my defensive and competition Glocks which I have classified as Expert in IDPA with. So they are more than "fast" enough for flash sight pictures.
The Dawson sights I am going to get are the 0.145 notch rear and the tritium 0.125 front sight. On the PPQ forum users have reported a slightly tighter than stock sight picture. The Dawson 0.125 rear sight is too tight. The stock Walther rear has a 0.17 rear notch and 0.14 front.

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Sounds good. I read a post that said a lot of instructors are using black rear, FO front and a white tactical light which not only lights up the scene but also the front sight at night. Cool idea! My PPQ is my nightstand gun now, so having a light on it is something I probably want to do. So I may go that way. WTH, having the light on there and maybe a SS or titanium guide rod would add some weight up front and help reduce the muzzle flip, which I am hearing the PPQ does a little more than most compacts.

I put a Dawson FO front sight on my CM9 after the stock one flew off and got lost while I was shooting to qualify for my CC permit. Hard to tell by eye and I don't have a micrometer, but my shooting buddy said he thinks it is taller than the stock sight. My POI was a few inches low until I adjusted my sight picture. The rear FO sight is another $50 plus installation, and I don't want to do that. I may try to get a plain sight that is the right height.

[APSKahr]

Nice. I replaced my stock CM9 sight with the dawson tritium and poi is fine for me though honestly I don't remember if it's different than stock. But Dawson is good with sights and I'm fairly certain dimensions are the same as the stock sight. I kept the rear sight stock.
Not a big fan of fiber optics on self defense guns as I've seen too many rods fall out and they don't help in very low light. Great on competition guns though I suppose.
My PPQ does have more muzzle flip than my G17, I really have to get a good hard grip on it to be able to shoot it as fast. Still not sure if it's going to replace the G17/G21/G26 defensive guns though as I have years on the Glock and button magazine releases. Still though really love my PPQ.
Hey, I was up in Boone, NC at the end of Sept. Man that place is beautiful. Great driving roads!

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Yeah, WNC has some of the most beautiful roads! Great for having fun with a sports car! I was born and raised here, so I have worn out many sets of tires on a variety of cars driving these roads with gusto.

Whenever there is some light, the FO sight glows bright red and is so easy to pick up. I like the idea of using a white tactical light to light things up at night, including the front sight. I use night lights and never like to be in pitch black conditions, so night sights are not of interest to me.

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I finally got time and clearance for a brief range trip to my niece and nephew-in-law's country property along the Cane River a few miles outside of Burnsville, NC. My intentions were to test out the repairs Taurus made to my 738 TCP and to put some rounds through my new Walther PPQ.

The TCP is fixed! I shot the 7 rounds of 90 gr Hornady Critical Defense rounds that were in the gun, 6 rounds of 95 gr Federal Champion FMJs and 6 rounds of 90 gr PMC Bronze FMJs. As always, the CD rounds feed flawlessly and recoil mildly. The Fed bullets are a little large and it is all the gun can do to handle them. I limp wristed one round and the next bullet stuck against the feed ramp. A little push on the back or the slide got it chambered. That was happening more often than not before it went back to the mothership, so I won't buy any more of that ammo. A lot of recoil with the Fed rounds, too. The PMC has much less recoil, but it seems to have just barely enough umph to cycle the slide. On one round, the slide paused in its forward travel and then finished feeding the round about a second later. I will continue my search for some inexpensive range ammo for the TCP. But its perfect performance with every CD round I have fed it since new gives me confidence to carry it as my BUG. I think, too, that more break in rounds will make it more tolerant of ammo choices and me having less than a killer death grip on it when shooting.

I was using my new Caldwell's Plink 'N Swing reactive target at about 7 yards. Very quick and convenient target to use. Made of cast iron and indestructible. One of the target paddles is 3" diameter and the other one is 4 1/2". The TCP is surprizingly easy to shoot accurately, probably because of the smooth, light trigger and its natural pointability. Good thing because I could not see the tiny integral ramp front sight in the shade where I was. I intend to paint it orange along with the ramp front sight on my J-frame.

I shot 31 rounds of USAammo 124 gr FMJs through my PPQ. As expected, not a hint of any issues. The gun does have a fair amount of muzzle flip, as some have reported, but it is a tack driver. At 7 yards, I can use the Plink 'N Swing for quick shooting. I will need to move it further out for it to be a challenge. The USA bullets produce a snappy recoil. I have noticed that also in my CM9. The shooting hand sits up close under the slide, and I felt some discomfort on the inside of my thumb during recoil after a few rounds. Sitting here, I am noticing a small red spot about the size of a pen point at that location. Aha! It is caused by the little hole where the upper frame pin goes. I think if I swap in the smaller grip insert, it will alter my grip enough to eliminate the problem. If not, I may put some tape over the hole or something. When I am done with the USAammo, I will get some WWB 115 gr or something easier shooting. I may also try the CD rounds for carry in the PPQ because of their mild recoil.

The trigger on the PPQ is quite good, with a light take up and then a staging spot where it takes a definite 5+ lb pull to make it fire. So staging the trigger is easily doable for carefully aimed shots, though a quick, continuous .4" pull gets the job done for quicker fire. I didn't experiment with the .1" reset. I am so used to letting the trigger return all the way forward with my CM9 and my J-frame. But I guess I could learn to stay at the staging spot and eliminate the .3" take up. The trigger is almost identical to the Caracal C that I helped a guy break in a while back. The Caracal is a little lighter on let off (4.4 lb I think). Also, the muzzle flip and felt recoil is dramatically less with the Caracal, which has an incredibly low bore axis. The weight, balance and ergonomics of both pistols is superb. I give the nod to the Caracal, though, because it didn't bite me like the PPQ did.

The gun stays on target well. The sights are 3 dot and easy to see. The rear notch is kind of wide for precise longer range work, but is intended for quicker acquisition of the front sight in a life or death situation. The bullets sure seem to go where intended, though, easily and consistently.

I am very pleased with the PPQ. It is from a highly regarded maker who are planning to establish themselves in the USA in a bigger way next year. Caracal are still a kind of unknown quantity with limited presense here.

Sorry, no pics. I was alone and had limited time. I will, of course, get out to the country place and put many more rounds through all of my guns. Here is a link to the website for the country property, which is available for vacation rental: http://www.nuwrayinn.com/farmhouse/farmhouse.html. It is an idyllic location and I am so privileged to have it as my private shooting spot. They also run the historic New Wray Inn (http://www.nuwrayinn.com/#) (Established 1833) as a charming B&B during warmer months.

[ripley16]

Nice report, thanks. It's always fun to test out a new pistol. The PPQ sounds like a good one. It has a similar trigger to the P99QA I have. IMHO, a very nice trigger on a great gun.

After a very stressful year, my wife and I spent a week decompressing at a cozy cabin near Charlottesville, Va, just of the Skyline Drive. We did an area tour of the many wineries and some antiquing. I also did some shooting off the deck and in the driveway to our cabin. A beautiful way to relax and enjoy doing nothing. This is where we stayed.
http://www.lydiamountainlodge.com/

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I have been talking with Rhome Desbiens at Desbiens Gun Leather (http://www.desbiensgunleather.com/) about a reverse canted IWB holster for AIWB carry. He doesn't list the PPQ, but he said he would check for availability of a blue gun. He just got back to me and said he will make a holster for me. The model I am looking at is the AIWB #4 Hardcore Reverse Cant (R/C) on the IWB Holster (http://www.desbiensgunleather.com/iwb-holster/) page.

A very impressive holster, IMO. If you click to enlarge the picture, you'll see how a G19 rides in one. I have become really sold on the advantages of AIWB carry, and this holster looks like it will make that possible with the PPQ.

His lead time is several months, so he doesn't require payment up front. You order the holster and then they contact you shortly before they can start on your holster and secure payment at that time. The price is reasonable.

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He went on a factory tour and has some very impressive things to share about how these pistols are made using the finest CNC machinery, but also hand fitting barrels and slides and doing very thorough quality control inspections. He is blown away by the quality of the button rifled barrels.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/new-wave-walther-walther-ppq-review/

I am very impressed with this pistol. It is so well engineered and of such high quality. I was fortunate to have jumped at the opportunity to purchase it because that entire production run of 9mm PPQs sold out very quickly with only a few still available at exhorbitant prices. I got mine at a real good price. There probably won't be any more available until after the new year when Walther completes their divorce from S&W and gets up and running in their new facility in Fort Smith, Arkansas.

[ken_in_austin]

I am very impressed with this pistol. It is so well engineered and of such high quality. I was fortunate to have jumped at the opportunity to purchase it because that entire production run of 9mm PPQs sold out very quickly with only a few still available at exhorbitant prices. I got mine at a real good price. There probably won't be any more available until after the new year when Walther completes their divorce from S&W and gets up and running in their new facility in Fort Smith, Arkansas.
JF,

I don't recall you talking about your impression of "slide racking effort". How difficult is it for those with weak arthritic hands?

Thanks,
Ken

[TheTman]

Congrats on your purchase J, looks like you found a real winner. I would love to compare triggers with my M&P Pro. Sounds like they are very similiar. On the M&P you take up the slack until you feel reisitance, then its a very crisp 4-5lb break. Closest thing to a single action trigger I've ever shot.

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JF,

I don't recall you talking about your impression of "slide racking effort". How difficult is it for those with weak arthritic hands?

Thanks,
Ken

The slide racking effort is not too bad. Certainly better than my CM9. I'm sure it will get easier with more rounds fired, too. All those huge cocking serrations really help.

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Congrats on your purchase J, looks like you found a real winner. I would love to compare triggers with my M&P Pro. Sounds like they are very similiar. On the M&P you take up the slack until you feel reisitance, then its a very crisp 4-5lb break. Closest thing to a single action trigger I've ever shot.

Sounds very similar. People have to spend lots of money to try and get a Glock trigger this good.

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Here is the facebook page:http://www.facebook.com/WaltherArms. Looks like they are going to giveaway a PPQ soon.

They are coming up to speed and will have the new website up at www.waltherarms.com (http://www.waltherarms.com) as of January 1, 2013 when the partnership arrangement with S&W ends.

Here is an introductory post from one of their representatives on the Walther Forum:

Hello Everyone,
As many of you know, Walther is now seperate from Smith & Wesson and called Walther Arms, Inc located in Fort Smith, Arkansas. We are slowly up and running. Just wanted you to know we are now active on Facebook at Walther Arms, Inc and on Twitter @WaltherFirearms. Appreciate your feedback and support of our products.

We will launch a new website at www.waltherarms.com (http://www.waltherarms.com) beginning January 1, 2013 when the strategic partnership agreement ends with Smith & Wesson.


Mark Thomas

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Here is a post from Larry Vickers from the M4 Carbine forum:


Just got a bit of trigger time with the PPQ and here is my initial thoughts;

1) very accurate
2) had a bit more snap than a Glock or M&P which I attribute to slide velocity; slide cycles very fast- still manageable
3) trigger is superb for a striker fired pistol and is already getting even better
4) magazine release is very easy to use
5) seating a fully loaded mag is no problem
6) muzzle flip is not an issue

I have no aftermarket sights yet for it- I like the gun and I am going to run it as my primary for awhile to really shake it out- limited ammo so far but zero malfunctions

Be safe
LAV

I believe this fellow is a mod on the M4 Carbine forum:


Mr. Vickers is definitely qualified to speak to the subject matter, and while I was initially surprised that it took him quite this long to shake out the PPQ, I was not at all surprised by his early conclusions. It is the only polymer handgun that has ever earned a place alongside the 1911s in my kit, and one that may well supplant them in time. It's that good.

AC

Needless to say, this is the way I am feeling about my newest acquisition:
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A NIB PPQ 9mm just sold on Gunbroker.com for $1105 + 25 shipping!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=325719047

Now, we are hearing that Walther has decided to no longer import the original version (M1) with the twin paddle mag releases like HKs have. Those paddles are one of the main reasons that I decided to purchase the PPQ! The revised M2 version that is being introduced at Shot Show has a standard reversible push button mag release with huge bulges molded into the frame on both sides immediately below it to try and prevent accidental mag releases that can never happen with the paddles. :mad: The reason for this change is to make the PPQ appeal to the large majority of folks who favor the standard push button, or who have just never used or considered anything else. ("All my Glocks have push buttons and I don't want to get confused." :001_huh:) Here's a pic -

http://www.waltherarms.com/resources/images/slider/products/ppqm2/overview.jpg?9d7bd4

The P99 will continue to be imported with paddles, and the paddle version of the PPQ will most probably still be made and sold in Europe. So, it would be no problem at all for them to continue to import them for folks who want that HK feature (advantage) without the HK price and make everybody happy. But they have decided to alienate a good portion of their present and potential customers instead of embracing them. Very bad business decision, IMO. :yell:

Now, once their decision is made clear to all, my "Classic" PPQ will soar in value far beyond that $1105 price! This puts me in a quandry. Bawanna, I know you can understand. If one of your pistols (not the Cbob) became a highly prized rarity worth $1000s, wouldn't you be tempted to put it on Gunbroker? I could sure use the money. I really love my "Classic" PPQ, but... What should I do?

[ripley16]

Keep it. If Walther really drops the model, then yours will do nothing but go up in value. Besides, anything you'd buy now would have the Obama madness inflated price as well. Makes me wish I'd bought one a year ago when I first saw one at a gun show.

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Oh, I'm in no rush. That one sold at that price on Gunbroker because:


The PPQs, especially the 9mms, have been in short supply for months and there are lots of people who have been jonesing bad to get one,
The fear of new gun laws and mag capacity limits (there has also been a run on magazines),
The dislike of the change to a push button mag release,
Rumors that the classic version with the mag release paddles will no longer be imported.

Now, I am hearing Walther reps at the Shot Show saying that only the M2 will be available. So, the rumor is turning out to be fact. The M.S.R.P. on the M2 version is about $100 higher, so they are going to be more expensive to buy, but that might be the case with the M1 versions, too, if they make them available. My thinking is that the Europeans will not accept or even be offered the M2, so the M1 will still be produced. If it turns out that only the M2 will be produced from now on, I am most definitely sitting on a gold mine. If they continue to make the M1 but don't import it, there is a fellow named Earl that might try to import them himself. But his prices are extremely high, so I will still be looking good to resell mine. Only if they relent and continue to import them, and enough of them to meet the demand, will the resale price drop back down to where I will just keep my gun.

I will enjoy my PPQ for awhile, put some more rounds through it, and see how things develop. I am sure glad I got in on that last shipment of PPQ9s early on and at a good price! Now we'll see what happens. :D

[JustinN]

I love ARs, went without one for years for various reasons, then finally got up enough cash to build one up here this past November. I spent a little over $700 making it the way I wanted (I can get frugal and wait out the best deals)....I sold it earlier this week for $1850. I may never have another AR now based on what they do with the laws, but I'd rather have the extra money in my wallet for other things. I love the AR platform, but I can find other options to fill the void it leaves.

[Bawanna]

Money means nothing to me which is great because I rarely have enough. I'd much prefer a sack full of guns than a sack full of cash.

I've never sold or purchased guns on speculation. I bought an SKS before the Clinton ban for 99 bucks, Russian, all machined, very nice. Wasn't looking for one, didn't care about them one way or the other but they said I couldn't have one. Never tell bawanna he can't have something, or that something is mandatory, it flips a switch, probably a mental issue.

It was kind of like the trinkets at the checkout stand at the grocery store trying to sell you one or two more items on the way out.
I could easily triple my money or better anytime but never gave it a thought.

[Barth]

Money means nothing to me which is great because I rarely have enough. I'd much prefer a sack full of guns than a sack full of cash.

I've never sold or purchased guns on speculation. I bought an SKS before the Clinton ban for 99 bucks, Russian, all machined, very nice. Wasn't looking for one, didn't care about them one way or the other but they said I couldn't have one. Never tell bawanna he can't have something, or that something is mandatory, it flips a switch, probably a mental issue.

It was kind of like the trinkets at the checkout stand at the grocery store trying to sell you one or two more items on the way out.
I could easily triple my money or better anytime but never gave it a thought.

I've only sold one gun in my life. And still regret that sale.
Never wanted an AR/AK either. I'm really a Pistolero at heart.
But like you Bawanna, don't tell me I can't have something...

Commemorative FU Obummer AK74 pistol and mags;
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Bawanna, somehow I knew your response would sound like that! :)

And, Barth, you are still a young man. If you keep buying guns at the rate you have exhibited, you are going to have to lease a closed down bank building and use it to store your arsenal. Probably have to hire security guards to keep watch day and night. LOL! You are an addict! :2eek:

The thing is, if I can get $1000s for my "Classic" PPQ, I can turn around and buy an M2. WTH? I can live with the push button. Or I might wait until Caracal gets their act together and get a Caracal C - the only compact pistol I tried that I liked better than the PPQ. It has great ergonomics, it has at least as good a trigger and the felt recoil is about like a 22 - incredible, really. A tack driver at the range. And priced quite a bit less than a PPQ or a G19. So, I have some interesting options! :D

[JustinN]

I've sold many many many guns in my life, some I regret, others I don't.....I figure I can always try to get them back someday...or look back on fond memories.

My fear is like things from my child hood, certain foods, video games, movies, etc. I remember them being so so great, and then I re-experience them and wish I had just kept the fond memories....I'd hate to have a gun that I recall fondly, go shoot it one day and realize it is not at all what I remember.

I have a few "staples" I'll never sell. Heirloom guns from my grandfather (1890's guns), my first gun (ruger 10/22), first hunting rifle (Sportsman 78), my first shotgun (870), and my first pistol (1957 S&W Revolver in .22). Other than that, it's fair game. I sold my Springfield XD .45 not too long ago because I took it to the range and shot it. Did OK, until I picked up my dad's Glock 17 I'd taken and shot circles around myself....I like the design and feel of the XD WAY more than a Glock, but I just can't handle it the same, so bye bye XD.

I agree I'd rather have guns than cash, but I need cash for more guns....and when I can make over $1000 profit on a gun I gotta take that money and buy up other guns I otherwise wouldn't have. I'm finally getting to a point I've started "collecting" guns a bit more. Instead of buying what looks fun at the time (see my Uzi, AKs, FALs, etc etc etc) I've started buying guns I have a "use" for and will never get rid of. Hence my thread about a nice hunting rifle. I've been lucky...A lot of the guns I've had that I liked and sold to buy something else, my Dad bought from me. He doesn't sell guns...I can always borrow them to go shoot them, and eventually they will be mine again :D

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Justin, that's a great deal with your daddy! :)

I am on permanent disability and so my guns have to be practical for my self defense needs. My J-frame isn't going anywhere. Neither is my CM9 (although I might could get a pretty penny for it on Gunbroker). The TCP is doing good service as my BUG. My PPQ is a bit big and heavy for CC work. My intention for it was for home defense and as an apocalypse gun. The M2, or a G19, or a G26 or Caracal C would do just as well. Or, I can just stick with my 3 CC guns. The G26 would be the best of both worlds: small enough to CC and with parts availability and 32 round mags, it could serve for apocalypse duty. It's nice to have choices! :D

[Barth]

I have to admit the only thing that gave me pause buying a HK P30 was the euro ambi safety.
I quickly adapted and now prefer that design.
Have to wonder if a lot of the negative thoughts about it are unfounded.
http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2012/04/HK-P30_001.jpg

[JustinN]

I always loved it on my HK. I have small hands/short fingers and could always work that paddle way quicker/easier than the buttons. For fear of sounding unAmerican, I wish more guns had them.

[Scoundrel]

My threaded barrel just arrived for my PPQ!

It looks good for the most part.
There are some machining marks visible on some non-critical surfaces, but the feed ramp is mirror smooth, the threads are good (tested with another silencer), and it seems to fit in the PPQ snugly and move properly.

It adds about 3/4" to the rifled length, so that ought to increase accuracy as well.

I'll head on over to the range soon to put some rounds through it, and next week I'll go to the LGS where the AAC Ti-RANT 9mm is waiting for NFA paperwork, and try it on.

[JFootin]

I have to admit the only thing that gave me pause buying a HK P30 was the euro ambi safety.
I quickly adapted and now prefer that design.
Have to wonder if a lot of the negative thoughts about it are unfounded.


It is a better design. I don't know about you, but I have had magazines come loose on several semi-autos over the years while holstering and carrying, because that side mounted button gets pressed accidentally.


I always loved it on my HK. I have small hands/short fingers and could always work that paddle way quicker/easier than the buttons. For fear of sounding unAmerican, I wish more guns had them.

Well, I have small hands/short fingers and a great deal of paralysis, and on top of that I am left handed. So I definitely find the ambidextrous paddles far superior to a push button on one side. I tried to reverse the button on a Stoeger (Beretta) Cougar one time. Not an experience I want to repeat! :mad: I don't know what Walther are thinking. The only reason they haven't been selling more pistols in America is because the supply has been agonizingly slow. Demand for the Classic PPQ has been off the scale ever since it was introduced. But I'll bet a lot more people have settled for something else after lasting frustration trying to obtain one, than have actually been lucky enough to get one. The paddles are not the problem. The problem has been Walther's slow, stingy and half hearted marketing in the U.S.

[JFootin]

Another thing that is angering a whole lot of folks about the M2 is that the magazines are incompatible between it and the M1 and P99. Lots of loyal owners would like to get the new 5" M2, but they own 15 of the old style mags and want a gun that can use them. What idiots to piss off so many loyal customers! :7:

[CW9owner]

Hmmm $1000 - I paid $579 plus $15 for FFL transfer in mid December just a month ago .Haven't even put a round down the tube yet - looks like I've got options here.

[Jason4x4]

My neighbor has this in a .40, and he hates it, he was trying to sell it up until he realized it will be hard to find a replacement right now.

[Barth]

My neighbor has this in a .40, and he hates it, he was trying to sell it up until he realized it will be hard to find a replacement right now.

The PPQs have a reputation, founded or not, for excessive recoil and muzzle flip.
The 40 would be pronounced in that respect over a 9mm.

If recoil is the reason for dissatisfaction?
I would recommend sub sonic 180 gr.
Federal makes a low recoil sub sonic 165 gr,
and Winchester produced a 135 gr 1200 fps round,
that are reported to be low recoil as well.

[Scoundrel]

The PPQs have a reputation, founded or not, for excessive recoil and muzzle flip.
The 40 would be pronounced in that respect over a 9mm.


Dunno about the .40, but I do not find that to be the case with my 9mm PPQ.

[JFootin]

I have found the recoil to be a bit surprising with my PPQ 9mm. I think my CM9 is easier, maybe because the much smaller, thinner gun is easier to grip and control. So far, I have only had time to shoot 31 rounds through mine, but I had a painful little red mark on my thumb where it was scratched by the edge of the hole where the upper frame pin goes during recoil. I smoothed the sharpness of the edge of that hole, so I'll see if it helps when I get back to the range. Still a very shootable gun, and easy to be accurate with. Just a lot to try and wrap my tiny, crippled hands around. It will be fine if I can keep my thumb comfortable.

Interestingly, the Caracal C that I had an opportunity to shoot at the range, though an almost identical size and weight gun, surprised me in the opposite way, demonstrating amazingly mild felt recoil. If they ever get their act together with distribution, parts availability and stability of those operations over time, I might like to own one.

As I understand it, the G19 is pretty mild on felt recoil, also. But that chunky grip is even harder for me to get my hands around.

Oh well. I'll see what the market does over the next few months.

[JFootin]

I decided to order one of these holsters from Tim Thurner at TT Gunleather, the Slim IWB EC Mike's Special (http://www.ttgunleather.com/catalog/i116.html). Just $75. Tim says it is the most comfortable holster that he makes. The extra cant is what really interested me because I believe it will make this large pistol easier to conceal and draw. Tim's products are highly praised, so I am pleased to add this fine holster to my gun wardrobe! :D (Turnaround is 90-120 days, but if you call or email your order he will wait until near time to do your holster to arrange payment. So I emailed him. It looks like it will be late June or early July.)

(I canceled the order for the Desbiens AIWB holster because I don't think it would be comfortable for me when seated.)

http://www.ttgunleather.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/DSC06094.JPG

[ripley16]

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Interestingly, the Caracal C that I had an opportunity to shoot at the range, though an almost identical size and weight gun, surprised me in the opposite way, demonstrating amazingly mild felt recoil. If they ever get their act together with distribution, parts availability and stability of those operations over time, I might like to own one.



* Caracal has two recalls out on their three models. One for unintended firing when dropped and the other for slide failure problems. I'd wath what happens on this front before trying to buy one.

* It seems Walther has discontinued the PPQ and is now only dealing the newer PPX. A mistake a move backwards IMHO.

* That's a nice looking holster.;) I'll have to google the maker to see what all he carries.

[JFootin]

* Caracal has two recalls out on their three models. One for unintended firing when dropped and the other for slide failure problems. I'd wath what happens on this front before trying to buy one.

Definitely. I hope they do get their act together, though, because it is the softest shooting compact 9 on the market.


* It seems Walther has discontinued the PPQ and is now only dealing the newer PPX. A mistake a move backwards IMHO.

The PPQ hasn't been discontinued. They are rolling out the M2 version now, the only change being a reversible push button mag release in place of the (better, IMO) ambidextrous levers below the trigger. They will still be making the "Classic" version for Europe and the M2 is only for the U.S. market. So far, the decision makers in Germany have stubbornly held to a decision to no longer import and market the Classic in the U.S., making a lot of loyal customers who prefer the levers (or paddles) very angry. You see, many people here prefer the paddle (including me), and there are owners of multiple Walther guns who are insensed because the M2 magazines will not work in the Classic or any of the P99 models that they own. It would be no problem at all for them to continue marketing the Classic here. Just German arrogance and stubbornness. :mad:

Doesn't Glock continue to market the Gen 3 guns beside the Gen 4 guns? I think the Walther leaders need to go to customer relations classes.

The PPX is brand new. Like the Kahr C guns, it is aimed at a lower price market. It has a similar trigger to the PPQ. But it does not have as robust frame construction as the PPQ and P99. It has a non reversible push button mag release.


* That's a nice looking holster.;) I'll have to google the maker to see what all he carries.

Just click the holster title. It is a hot link to his website.

[Popeye]

Don't know how I missed this post? JF that is sweet . I shot a friend of mines PPS9 a while back and I was more than impressed with it.Good luck.

[JFootin]

Popeye, I am liking the gun a lot! It's a compact, about the same size as a G19. I got it as my bedside gun, but I am finding it is very carriable and concealable in the right holster. So far, I am very pleased with the Aholster Belt Holster (http://www.lefthandholster.com/Belt_Holster_CB81.php). The gun rides sort of medium high and close to the body, so a loose enough coat, jacket or thick shirt will hide it. Very stable, all day comfortable, click out to draw, click in for good retention. The thick rubber snap loops make it extra classy! :D Some of you guys with G19s ought to look at this holster for serious carry. :59: (Why do ALL of the gun shooting smilies look so angry?)

[JFootin]

Hey Barth,

I just ordered a ported barrel for this surprisingly snappy PPQ! :D

http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server3800/unu16ip/products/139/images/302/EFK_PPQ_Ported_barrel__26310.1354566918.220.220.jp g

Guess I caught the Barrel Fever from you! :86:

[JFootin]

Yesterday, I ordered one of the FoxX Hybrid Holsters (http://foxxholsters.onlybusiness.com/OnlineCatalog/Walther_Models-list.aspx) for my PPQ after having read many positive reports about the quality. Just $39 shipped! I got it all black like the one pictured below. This morning, I snagged a pair of leather snap loops from the Marketplace to use with it. I'll probably get it in about 10 days, so I'll report on it then.

http://foxxholsters.onlybusiness.com/Member/FoxxHolsters/Images/ShoppingCartUploads/Products/Large/P99-F.jpg

[Barth]

Hey Barth,

I just ordered a ported barrel for this surprisingly snappy PPQ! :D

http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server3800/unu16ip/products/139/images/302/EFK_PPQ_Ported_barrel__26310.1354566918.220.220.jp g

Guess I caught the Barrel Fever from you! :86:

LOL,
I hope it works out for you.
My Glock G27 with a ported 357 Sig barrel is magical.
It feels like a 9mm.
The difference between that and the OEM G33 357 barrel is night and day.
Feels like a different gun.
I really think porting is more effective with high velocity super sonic rounds.
My ported 45 ACP is much less impressive.

[JFootin]

LOL,
I hope it works out for you.
My Glock G27 with a ported 357 Sig barrel is magical.
It feels like a 9mm.
The difference between that and the OEM G33 357 barrel is night and day.
Feels like a different gun.
I really think porting is more effective with high velocity super sonic rounds.
My ported 45 ACP is much less impressive.

Well, 9mm is a faster round than 45. We'll have to see when I can put some rounds thru it. Winter doesn't seem to want to end here, yet, but hopefully Spring will bring more pleasant weather soon.

It is a good looking SS barrel with a target crown and 5.1" length, so it should help with accuracy, too. The fit and lockup seem perfect. I don't mind the extra barrel length for carrying like some do. I have two holsters on order that will accommodate it, no problem. The one I have, the Aholster Belt Holster has an open bottom, but I am going to have to modify it to make it open wider. I don't have a heat gun, but hopefully a hair dryer will soften it up enough. If not. I'll try (carefully) holding it over a burner on the electric stove. I am going to use a tapered cane shaft to push through from inside, creating a rounded place in the open bottom where the barrel can stick out.

ITMT, I added to my defensive knife collection. A modest investment of just $7.24 on eBay. A Meyerco Double Edge Necklace (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130843332951&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:1120). Thin, light, a pretty handy tool. This would work superbly for ladies because they can hide it so well! :rolleyes: It wants to print on my middle aged spread under just a T-shirt.

http://nagornysknives.com/images/292%20%5B640x480%5D.jpg

http://www.idealoutdoors.com/images/MC53371.jpg

[JFootin]

I ordered that FoxX Hybrid Holster late Friday night and I got an email today saying it has been shipped! His estimate at the time of the order said 4-5 days, not counting weekends. I bet he worked this weekend! Excellent! :D

[Salty]

Mag releases on most pistols are just not smooth like the CZ 52 and Markarov. lol I am still stuck on my 1911's and xd's in plastic - I am glad to see someone else is branching out.

[JFootin]

Here are a couple of close up pics of the ported barrel installed in a PPQ (courtesy of imaoldfart on the Walther Forum).

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/2013-03-25_3390croppedLarge_zps8b81_zps0a90cc79.jpg

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/2013-03-25_3395croppedLarge_zps39d6_zpsf53582c6.jpg

I also have one of those PPQ gun mats! :D

[JFootin]

Yesterday, I ordered one of the FoxX Hybrid Holsters (http://foxxholsters.onlybusiness.com/OnlineCatalog/Walther_Models-list.aspx) for my PPQ after having read many positive reports about the quality. Just $39 shipped! I got it all black like the one pictured below. This morning, I snagged a pair of leather snap loops from the Marketplace to use with it. I'll probably get it in about 10 days, so I'll report on it then.

http://foxxholsters.onlybusiness.com/Member/FoxxHolsters/Images/ShoppingCartUploads/Products/Large/P99-F.jpg

I was supposed to get this holster Saturday, but a dyslexic mail sorter in Charlotte sent it to 28741 instead of 28714! :nerd: So I got it today.

I have been trying it out and I am perplexed. I have tried it with my best gun belt, then a lighter, more flexible belt, then with the belt looser than I like. But I cannot get the gun in the holster! The curve of my hip pushes the leather backing outward into the space made by the kydex shell, not leaving enough room to insert the gun. Even pushing in like crazy, I can only get the barrel and the right side of the slide in, but the left side of the slide sits on the top edge of the kydex (remember, I'm a lefty) and it won't go in. The only way I can get the gun in it is to take my pants down, insert the gun, pull it all back up and try to get my pants and belt fastened without sagging! Yuck!!!

I thought that, with the kydex shell that doesn't collapse, it would be easy to holster the gun. Boy, was I wrong! Now I see why the Garretts warn that their Silent Thunder Fusion (http://garrettindustries.mybigcommerce.com/silent-thunder-fusion/) may not be as easy holstering as the IWB with the rigid back. Also, they have the top of the kydex shell flared outward to help getting the gun in there. The FoxX is not flared at all.

Those of you who have this kind of holster, please help! :( Especially those of you who have them for a wider double stack gun such as a Glock 19. Do any of you have this problem holstering the gun? How do you do it?

[JFootin]

Anybody? ^^^

[JFootin]

Trying to find mags for these guns has been impossible. Like about all brands, they have been sold out. Mec-gar is working to catch up, but it will be a while.

But someone posted a find on the Walther Forum about CDNN having them listed under the S&W section (the only reason they still have them in stock because they were hidden there), and I picked up two! :D Not a bad price, either. $39.99. :wof: They usually go for much more. It says they are for the SW99/P99 and also fit the PPQ. So I'll have to see what model name is molded on the bottom of the mag base. It won't be PPQ, but I don't care. They will feed my Q; that's all I care about! :cool: I scored! :cheer2:

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[dkmatthews]

Congrats on finding magazines! Let me know how those work. I'm more than happy to let you be the guinea pig! :D

[JFootin]

Congrats on finding magazines! Let me know how those work. I'm more than happy to let you be the guinea pig! :D

No guinea pig. These are the same mags, made by the same mfgr. Item# MAGFA915. Also the same mag made for the MR Baby Eagle. If you want mags, you better grab some!

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/smwesw9mm15b.html

[DeeDubya]

Die Deutsch bauen einige feinen Gewehre.

[Bawanna]

Die Deutsch bauen einige feinen Gewehre.

Can he say that?

I'm multi lingual, let me see if I can sound it out.........


The Dutch barn indeed full of Gewehre. Hmmm, I'm thinking that's not quite right, my Ethiopian Bayou slang is a little rusty.

[JFootin]

Die Deutsch bauen einige feinen Gewehre.

My guess: The Germans make several guns.

[Dino]

Here are a couple of close up pics of the ported barrel installed in a PPQ (courtesy of imaoldfart on the Walther Forum).


Why would you put a ported barrel on a 9mm? I shoot nothing but .40 for CCW, maybe on a .40... but a 9mm. I would of put the money towards a new pistol. I have never shot a 9 that was snappy to the point of needing a ported barrel, maybe if it was a match grade gun, and you were shooting in competition.http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/2013-03-25_3390croppedLarge_zps8b81_zps0a90cc79.jpg

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Miscellanious%20Guns%20and%20Holsters/2013-03-25_3395croppedLarge_zps39d6_zpsf53582c6.jpg

I also have one of those PPQ gun mats! :D
Why would you put a ported barrel on a 9mm? I shoot nothing but .40 for CCW, maybe on a .40... but a 9mm. I would of put the money towards a new pistol. I have never shot a 9 that was snappy to the point of needing a ported barrel, maybe if it was a match grade gun, and you were shooting in competition.

[JFootin]

Each to his own, Dino. If you knew me, you'd know that I have very crippled, partially paralyzed hands and wrists. If you knew more about the PPQ, you would know it has a reputation for being surprizingly snappy, especially for a gun about the size and weight of a Glock 19. 17 posts here and you're criticizing a senior member. Let me suggest something for you to read: "How To Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie.

[DeeDubya]

My guess: The Germans make several guns.

Die Deutsch bauen einige feinen Gewehre
"The Germans construct some fine weapons"

I've owned a few myself but sadly never a Walther. :o

[JFootin]

Trying to find mags for these guns has been impossible. Like about all brands, they have been sold out. Mec-gar is working to catch up, but it will be a while.

But someone posted a find on the Walther Forum about CDNN having them listed under the S&W section (the only reason they still have them in stock because they were hidden there), and I picked up two! :D Not a bad price, either. $39.99. :wof: They usually go for much more. It says they are for the SW99/P99 and also fit the PPQ. So I'll have to see what model name is molded on the bottom of the mag base. It won't be PPQ, but I don't care. They will feed my Q; that's all I care about! :cool: I scored! :cheer2:

Got them. Surprize! They are Magnum Research Baby Eagle mags. They'll work fine. Funny, they were listed in the S&W section for P99, SW99, also fit PPQ 9mm 15rd. No mention that they were Baby Eagle mags. I had cancelled my backorder at Magnum Research after I read where someone was sent the wrong mags. I could have probably gotten them awhile back and saved a couple of bucks. But I'm cool. Got my mags. http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[JFootin]

Update on Post 80 (http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?p=229040#post229040):

Well, I got the Slim EC Mike's Special holster today. It is gorgeous! Perfectly molded and finished. Great fit and retention. And that aggressive cant works perfectly with the PPQ, making the draw extra nice and helping to minimize printing. The gun rides very close and tight to my body, so much so that the texture near the top of the grip rubs against my spare tire through the thin T shirt I am wearing. I may have to sand that texture a bit or put a Talon rubber grip applique on the gun. No fault to the holster, but rather to my flabbiness.

Overall, the holster is very comfortable, stable and holds the gun tightly. Yet I can draw it in a snap, aided by that high degree of cant. The gun carries light in this holster, not tending to weigh my belt down quite as much as the Aholster OWB Belt Holster does. I attribute that to the IWB carry and the shape of the holster, including the stabilizing rounded skirt at the back. The leather snap loops with one way snaps hold very securely and make the holster more comfortable than stiff metal clips would, IMO, because they can bend and lay flat where they're put.

This holster is amazingly slim. And with the way it holds the gun so tight to my body it makes for easy concealment. I had debated about getting a Crossbreed style hybrid holster. But this holster is much thinner and lighter, so I am very pleased with my decision!

I will try to get some pictures this weekend and post them.

[dkmatthews]

Jfootin - let's see the photos or it never happened!

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