CM9 or PM9 is the PM worht theextra Dough

[Aeromat209]

I have a couple Sigs and a Glock I shoot alot but this one will be my EDC that I will shoot to get comfortable with . Is the PM worht the extra dough or is the CM plenty for a EDC?

[PYROhafe]

Welcome to the forum! Lots of great info on both guns here.
Im more than happy with my cm9, I will say I ended up coating the slide,(gun kote black) and adding sights,(wanted the xs big dots, not the factory night sights) and bought some extra mags. So im close to the cost of a pm now, buts its exactly what I want in a EDC. Ide say the only thing that would be worth the extra money up front for the pm, is if you want the night sights, or the dlc coating. Other than that, go with the cm, pick up an extra mag or 2, and spend the rest on ammo! (or making it exactly what you want.... like i did)

[les strat]

Close to the same thing, but there are differences.

PM has polygonal rifling, which has more accuracy in longer barrels. Negligible here and you need to keep it clean from lead like Glocks. Also has nice roll marks on the slide, forged slide stop and trigger, bevelled slide, choice of black slide and optional factory night sights.

The CM9 has MIM trigger and slide stop, simple engraving on a more squared slide, traditional rifling, and comes in SS slide only. Everything else internally is the same.

Both great pistols. I personally have the CM9 and added a front night sight and CT lasergrip. It's been a sweet rig.

Welcome to the forum.

[wagon]

NOPE -- IMHO. Have both, sold the PM9, still have a CM9 and a CW9 in rotatation with the Glocks. CM is just as good. Who needs polygonal rifled barrel just for shooting within 7-15 yds? Just save the $$$$ on ammo.

Happy shopping.

[yqtszhj]

CM9 is a keeper. Take your extra money and get lots of ammo.

[CJB]

no, not worth the extra dough

neither one is more accurate or dependable or smaller.....

Just sayin... the major change is the front sight attachment... that only matters if you're wanting a weird front sight.

[APSKahr]

Not to me it isn't I have had both. Buy the CM9, take the difference in price and buy ammo so that you can master the pistol. It's a little harder to shoot than a full sized gun.

[Aeromat209]

Thanks for the info ! I bought a CM9 with 2 mags and ordered an additional 7 round mag and some pearce mag extensions. Will post pics when it gets in!

[kb2wji]

If the CM9 was available when I bought the PM9, I would have picked up the CM9. This isnt a bulls-eye-shooting gun. It's a self defense pistol. The fancy pants barrel in the PM9 is cool, but I doubt you will see an accuracy difference in the real world. One magazine would have been fine with me. In my opinion, save your $$ for ammo.

[JFootin]

Welcome to the forum! :) There is a wealth of valuable information in the New Member Area (http://kahrtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=56) and the Kahr-Tech (http://kahrtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=27) sections of the forum.

And welcome to the CM9 Owners Club! :D Our official symbol is the wide grin smily because we are so happy with our purchase that we can't wipe the smiles off our faces!

Here is your club badge.
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[jocko]

If the CM9 was available when I bought the PM9, I would have picked up the CM9. This isnt a bulls-eye-shooting gun. It's a self defense pistol. The fancy pants barrel in the PM9 is cool, but I doubt you will see an accuracy difference in the real world. One magazine would have been fine with me. In my opinion, save your $$ for ammo.

ditto:

[sas PM9]

Close to the same thing, but there are differences.

PM has polygonal rifling, which has more accuracy in longer barrels. Negligible here and you need to keep it clean from lead like Glocks. Also has nice roll marks on the slide, forged slide stop and trigger, bevelled slide, choice of black slide and optional factory night sights.

The CM9 has MIM trigger and slide stop, simple engraving on a more squared slide, traditional rifling, and comes in SS slide only. Everything else internally is the same.

Both great pistols. I personally have the CM9 and added a front night sight and CT lasergrip. It's been a sweet rig.

Welcome to the forum.

+1 on everything les has posted. Just depends upon your personal preferences; are you a chevrolet or a cadillac guy?

-steve

[Ikeo74]

I liked my CM9 so well that I bought an MK9 as a companion for it. One big advantage to having both, I have 4 mags I can use in either gun. (got a free mag with the CM9), 2 with the MK9. Now I have a perfect holster gun and very good pocket carry gun.

[LorenzoB]

CM9 is not an option in CA. :(

PM9 is approved.

[JFootin]

CM9 is not an option in CA. :(

PM9 is approved.

And, of course, because it has not been "approved" yet, the CM9 is an unsafe gun. :blushing:

[drewski115]

Guess I'm in the minority here but it was worth it to me. I like having the factory DLC and the way I shoot I need all the help with accuracy. LOL I am just at the point in my life I enjoy the finer things and can afford them without worry. Just lucky.

[JimC]

Guess I'm in the minority here but it was worth it to me. I like having the factory DLC and the way I shoot I need all the help with accuracy. LOL I am just at the point in my life I enjoy the finer things and can afford them without worry. Just lucky.

+1

I feel the same way about my PM9.

[mser]

Guess I'm in the minority here but it was worth it to me. I like having the factory DLC and the way I shoot I need all the help with accuracy. LOL I am just at the point in my life I enjoy the finer things and can afford them without worry. Just lucky.


+1

I feel the same way about my PM9.

+2

Absolutely nothing wrong with the econo CM version, which wasn't even a thought on the horizon for Kahr when I got my PM in November of 2002. But I can honestly say that even if purchased today, I'd choose the PM over the CM.

[steveschu]

Do not discredit the polygonal rifling of the PM version....helps accuracy, easy to clean and doesnt leave those nasty, traceable rifling marks on fired bullets.
I did not like the cheap, press-fit nylon front sight of the CM and even saw one that looked like it had melted from heat on this forum.....I like things tough and capable of surviving the war, not just a battle.

[harrydog]

Do not discredit the polygonal rifling of the PM version....helps accuracy, easy to clean and doesnt leave those nasty, traceable rifling marks on fired bullets.
I did not like the cheap, press-fit nylon front sight of the CM and even saw one that looked like it had melted from heat on this forum.....I like things tough and capable of surviving the war, not just a battle.
I agree with all of the previous four posts. The PM9 features are worth it to me.

[JimC]

+2

Absolutely nothing wrong with the econo CM version, which wasn't even a thought on the horizon for Kahr when I got my PM in November of 2002. But I can honestly say that even if purchased today, I'd choose the PM over the CM.

Exactly the way I feel. :D

I finally had a chance to see and hold a CM9 awhile ago.
Honestly, it ain't no PM9!!!

[JFootin]

If money were less of an issue, I would want the DLC finish and night sights. +1 to those who go that way. The PM9 equipped that way is perfection. IMO, to choose a SS PM9 with plain sights just to get the barrel and the slide appearance is not a good use of the extra money. But I want to state emphatically that the CM9 is not a cheapened product, is not any less carefully machined or manufactured, and performs identically to the PM9. The changes are a barrel that is like the large majority of pistol barrels from every manufacturer, the outside of the slide has less cosmetic machining and roll marking done to it, it has a MIM slide stop instead of forged, and it uses plastic sights just like Glocks, Walthers and many other quality guns. It is a superb value in a high quality, thin, concealable subcompact hand gun.

[jocko]

is the back sight plastic or just the front one. I did not know either was plastic..

[wagon]

IMO, as far as 2-tone & non-nite-sight version is concern (i.e. comparing apple to apple), between PM9 and CM9, unless you have silver spoon or easy-earn $$$$$$ to burn, PM9 does not worth the price.

DLC+nite-sight is a different story.

[jocko]

agree. my first PMJ9 had the DLC fnish and factory night sights. then after Ihad some slide melting done to it, naturally I had to then refinish it, and while I was at it, I took the factory nite sights off and instlled xs big dots. Yup sure pis$ed away some dlc finish and sights money. Course one never knows. j ust sayin

[WildCotton]

OP,

You can do what I did and go the "used" route. From the get-go, I was not interested in the CM9. As soon as I saw the PM9 (model: 9094), I knew that if I was going to buy a Kahr, the PM9 was what I was going to buy. I wanted the black finish with night sights (model: 9 094NS). Few LGS's in my area have a good selection of Kahrs, so what I wanted would have to be ordered.

I lucked out and found a shop that had two "used" PM9's, one 9094 $489 and the other a 9094NS (night sights) for $579. It was a no brainer, yI went with the older one w/o night sights. 2 reasons: 1) It was a blunt-nose model and 2) The stock tritium sights will be replaced by XS or Trijicon sights. As a bonus, my Kahr came with 4 magazines, two additional six-round magazines from the previous owner and I was able to haggle down to $469 and I had them throw in a box of HydraShok's.

Buying a "used" or in my case, a "slightly used" gun has many advantages. You can pick up a used PM9 for just a little more than a new CM9. Akin to car dealerships, there is a larger margin of profit in used guns than new so you have more room to haggle on price or have a few extras thrown in to seal the deal. In addition to absorbing the depreciation, considering the price of ammunition these days, it was also nice to have the previous owner do some of the "breaking-in" for me.

I'm thankful that the guys on this forum talked me into buying a Kahr, specifically, my "used" Kahr. I love the PM9's fit, finish, feel, and quality. I now have a high-end EDC pistol that didn't break the bank to obtain.

Buy used and be happy!

Re,
~WC~

[JimC]

~WC~

Most of what you say is true as long as one can find what one is looking for in a timely fashion and at a good deal locally.

You apparently got a good deal on yours.

There are times when making mods to a used gun to bring it to a level that you want, will push the price past the good deal.

Plus, a new Kahr has a 5 year warranty. ;)

I've had to cash in on my warranty a few times in the past year and a half.

This has been mostly parts but, Kahr has been very good to me in regard to this.

The one time that my PM9 had to go back to Kahr, they paid the shipping both ways. :)

[WildCotton]

JimC,

The shop where I purchased my PM9 had the 9094NS on the shelf for several weeks. I had already looked over it, test fired it, ect numerous times. The afternoon I went in to purchase it, they had received the blunt-nose 9094 on a trade and had just put it on the shelf. It was perfect timing and I was extremely lucky that I had been delayed on my way to the store. I'm sure I would have been happy w/ the 9094NS but would have eventually spent the money on aftermarket night sights.

Buy used can be a gamble as you never know how the previous owner treated, cared for, and maintained the fire arm. In my case, the PM9 I bought had very few blemishes on it and showed no real signs or wear or even use. However, once I got it home and opened it up, WOW! It was filthy on the inside. I doubt it had ever been cleaned. (That particular gun shop does not take the time or manpower to strip and clean used firearms. They just wipe them off and put them out.)

You never know why someone trades or sells a firearm. They may need the money. They may have buyers remorse. They may not like the feel of it. They may want the same model but in a different caliber. Their wife may demand a reduction of their collection. In the case of Kahr they may not be aware that it requires a break-in period and we're frustrated with it. Or it may be a POS. Hopefully, I didn't get someone else's lemon. But so far, so good.

You are also correct about the warranty. Which raises the question, is the Kahr factory warranty only aplicable to the original owner or does it automatically transfer? I'm not sure how old mine is, so I don't know if it is still under the 5 year warranty. All of the warranty paperwork was in the box so I assume the original purchaser did not file for the warranty.

I'm not sure if I would recommend buying a used firearm off the Internet, especially from a private citizen. I like having a "brick and mortar" dealer that I can go to if I experience problems. You loose that advantage by buying on-line.

I'm a happy customer and fortunate I was able to find the model I wanted and a blunt-nose version at boot!

Re,
~WC~

[jocko]

normally warranty with kahr is not trasferale. but " DON'T ASK DON'T TELL GOES A LONG WAY HERE TO. Probably a phone call to kahr will get u te exacdt birth date of the gun, so u can proceed from there. Proably ur \blunt nose is out of warranty but again if the gun is doing OK, just don't worry about it.

[WildCotton]

That's the plan!

[deputy tom]

I like the CM9. The reason I bought it was that I was so happy with my CW9. If my daughter hadn't claimed the CW9 as her's I'd be carrying it today. The only thing I might change is the sights. I'd like to get the front dovetailed for a night sight but following another thread re: front sight installation. tom.:cool:

[Ricky59]

I have the Kahr PM9 ..In black ..with night sights ..
and I wouldn't have it any other way ..

As a auto tech ..I've alway have bought Snap-on tools..
Best tools for the job .. yes, The craftsmen would do , but on a professional level I choose Snap-on..
Same with firearms ..get the good stuff ..

[Double3]

I figured if I'm going to trust it with my life I'm going to spend the extra.

[JimC]

OK, the 800 lb. elephant in the room is...many who buy a CM9 can't afford the PM9 so they try to run the PM9 down. :eek:

And I'd be willing to bet many that bought the CM9 had to put it on a CC.

:behindsofa:

[fitpro]

OK, the 800 lb. elephant in the room is...many who buy a CM9 can't afford the PM9 so they try to run the PM9 down. :eek:

And I'd be willing to bet many that bought the CM9 had to put it on a CC.

:behindsofa:

^^^That is a possibility but both are great weapons. I wouldn't bash one or the other, they are both high-quality. One of the reasons I bought my CW9 was so that I could have a dedicated "car gun" at a reasonable price ($350.) After I get nite sights and a trigger modification on one of my Glock 19s the money invested is close to $700, which I don't want to leave in the car here in Houston. When I can't carry my G19 IAWB, I have my CM9 in one pocket and a KT32 in the other pocket plus several blades...I have the KT32 and blades when I carry the G19 too.

Bottom line, IMHO, you can't go wrong with either the PM or CM series. Both are very reliable pistols.

[Popeye]

Both are great pistols. Which is the one you should buy. Well
I bought the PM9 first because the CM9 was not around at the time. If it was though I probably woud have bought the PM9 anyway because I'm not a bnig fan of two tone pistols and prefer all black pistols for CC. That and the night sights for these old eyes is a major plus,that and the Walther polygonal barrel appeals to me. I have no regrets buying the PM9. I have a friend who bought a CM9 and loves it. So I guess it all depends on what your wants are and how deep are your pockets.:D The pistol in the pic is my EDC for two years now,even if it doesn't look like it possibly could be. The finish on the slide is simply amazing.
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[skiflydive]

I looked long and hard at both. I could afford to pay cash for either one so that wasn't an issue. All the extra features the PM has are nice and the lower price of the CM is attractive, but when it came down to it there was one feature that was the most important to me. Does it go bang when it needs to? On that critical point both guns are equal and the extras the PM offers do nothing to improve the bang. I bought the CM, an extra 6 round mag, and a deSantis holster. YMMV but I have no regrets.

[cloud]

OK, the 800 lb. elephant in the room is...many who buy a CM9 can't afford the PM9 so they try to run the PM9 down. :eek:

And I'd be willing to bet many that bought the CM9 had to put it on a CC.

:behindsofa:

I don't know about that .I am always impressed about the wad of cash I see people with at the gun shop or gun shows.( a lot of the lgs give you a better price if you pay cash)I bought the cm9 while waiting on the 9mm s&w shield .Wanted a 9mm to shoot and the lgs had the cm in stock no wait .Also bought the shield .Liked the cm9 so much I bought a black p380.Only problem now is the shield and the cm9 spend most of their time in the safe . The p380 travels with me most of the time.

[JFootin]

Both are great pistols. Which is the one you should buy. Well
I bought the PM9 first because the CM9 was not around at the time. If it was though I probably woud have bought the PM9 anyway because I'm not a bnig fan of two tone pistols and prefer all black pistols for CC. That and the night sights for these old eyes is a major plus,that and the Walther polygonal barrel appeals to me. I have no regrets buying the PM9. I have a friend who bought a CM9 and loves it. So I guess it all depends on what your wants are and how deep are your pockets.:D The pistol in the pic is my EDC for two years now,even if it doesn't look like it possibly could be. The finish on the slide is simply amazing.
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Now that's a beauty!

[Popeye]

Now that's a beauty!

Thanks JFootin. I try to keep her nice,she was a pretty good chunk of change, but I was tired of waiting for Springfield to come out with a single stack XD 9mm pistol. Once I saw the PM9 and how the ergo's (basic shape)where so much like the XD line of pistols but with the walther barrel and night sights I jumped all over it. That and I loved the butter smooth trigger. It's one of the few guns I've ever put on layaway. She has somewhere between 2500 and 3000 trouble free rounds through her. She's not brand picky and it doesn't seem to matter if it's FMJ's, HP's or even reloads. I know they say you should change the springs out every so often but it still has every original spring in it to this day and I don't plan on messin with anything just yet.. Like all my pistols she's 100% stock. Straight out of the case PM9. She is what I call a great pistol.

[JimC]

Both are great pistols. Which is the one you should buy. Well
I bought the PM9 first because the CM9 was not around at the time. If it was though I probably woud have bought the PM9 anyway because I'm not a bnig fan of two tone pistols and prefer all black pistols for CC. That and the night sights for these old eyes is a major plus,that and the Walther polygonal barrel appeals to me. I have no regrets buying the PM9. I have a friend who bought a CM9 and loves it. So I guess it all depends on what your wants are and how deep are your pockets.:D The pistol in the pic is my EDC for two years now,even if it doesn't look like it possibly could be. The finish on the slide is simply amazing.
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Basically all the reasons why I bought my PM9. ;)
When I bought mine the CM9 wasn't out yet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/KobraCarry/Kahr%20PM9/IMG_0731.jpg

[Popeye]

Basically all the reasons why I bought my PM9. ;)
When I bought mine the CM9 wasn't out yet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/KobraCarry/Kahr%20PM9/IMG_0731.jpg

Very nice. Your's a little newer than mine.

[wagon]

OK, the 800 lb. elephant in the room is...many who buy a CM9 can't afford the PM9 so they try to run the PM9 down. :eek:

And I'd be willing to bet many that bought the CM9 had to put it on a CC.

:behindsofa:

Interesting "observation"... :rolleyes: .. as in some posts... amusing.

But also possible that nthere are people, I, for one, sold a PM and bought a CM. And also likely that some people who do use CC but always pay in full ... ya know... for "points", "cash back", "mileage", etc...

I also believe that they are people, I, for another "one".. may be you too, do pay cash in car buying? (but I have never tried to ask dealership if they accept cc.. may be I should ask next time.. will get lot of miles / cash back.. LOL)

After all been said .. does it all mean that me/you/we are better than other folks who cannot afford PM, or who make purchase only with CC ... .. NOOOOOOOOO, not at all.

[Bawanna]

We bought my sons car with a credit card.
I used to use the card and pay every month but then came marriage and children so that put an end to pay every month as is brutally evident on my outstanding credit card and gas card outstanding balance.

I'm still trying to figure out how to use a debit card which is a wonderful invention, takes me back to my days of saving up to buy what I want, that was long long ago in a far away place it seems.

Can't even imagine paying cash for a car, never owned a new one, did have one that was less than 10 years old once, close enough?

To meander back on track, some folks just won't pay more than a certain amount regardless, probably why they have bank accounts and money.
Take a rifle scope for example, a good Leupold has a life time warranty but just ain't now way I'm gonna shell out 500 or a 1000 bucks for a really good probably worthwhile scope.

The safari guides always know American hunters, 3000 dollar rifle with a 50 dollar scope.

I'm like that with most things except guns of course. I'm a sucker for guns.

[jocko]

I have one credit card, and I use it all the time. I get air mles for every dollars. I pay my bill every month, nevermissed a payment in full since Ihave had thiscard either, well over 25 years. Using a credit card is not a sign of indebtness or what ever one wants tomake out of it. Try renting a car without a credit card. I use it tomy advantage. Course many abuse their credit card and then blame the cc cmpanies for high interest rates..

[Bawanna]

I have one credit card, and I use it all the time. I get air mles for every dollars. I pay my bill every month, nevermissed a payment in full since Ihave had thiscard either, well over 25 years. Using a credit card is not a sign of indebtness or what ever one wants tomake out of it. Try renting a car without a credit card. I use it tomy advantage. Course many abuse their credit card and then blame the cc cmpanies for high interest rates..

That would be me.

My wife used to be a bank manager and for the life of me I can't make her understand interest rates. She worries and wants to save money in a nothing savings account while the CC companies have relations with us with their high interest rates.

I told he it would be far better to pay as much as possible to get the balances down, then pay for our sins every month or do without.

I have to pay cash for gas, card is maxed out. I was never told they went revolving years ago, I thought we paid it every month.
I could get two Wilsons with my gas card debt.

Maybe I'm heading for a financial cliff?

[skiflydive]

I have one credit card, and I use it all the time. I get air mles for every dollars. I pay my bill every month, nevermissed a payment in full since Ihave had thiscard either, well over 25 years. Using a credit card is not a sign of indebtness or what ever one wants tomake out of it. Try renting a car without a credit card. I use it tomy advantage. Course many abuse their credit card and then blame the cc cmpanies for high interest rates..

Ditto Jocko.

I just bought tickets for our vacation trip in March with CC points. A few years ago my ex and I flew round trip to Rome on points from paying our youngest daughters college expenses every semester with a credit card and then paying it off at the end of the month.

[harrydog]

We bought my sons car with a credit card.
I used to use the card and pay every month but then came marriage and children so that put an end to pay every month as is brutally evident on my outstanding credit card and gas card outstanding balance.

I'm still trying to figure out how to use a debit card which is a wonderful invention, takes me back to my days of saving up to buy what I want, that was long long ago in a far away place it seems.

Can't even imagine paying cash for a car, never owned a new one, did have one that was less than 10 years old once, close enough?

To meander back on track, some folks just won't pay more than a certain amount regardless, probably why they have bank accounts and money.
Take a rifle scope for example, a good Leupold has a life time warranty but just ain't now way I'm gonna shell out 500 or a 1000 bucks for a really good probably worthwhile scope.

The safari guides always know American hunters, 3000 dollar rifle with a 50 dollar scope.

I'm like that with most things except guns of course. I'm a sucker for guns.
Good glass on a rifle makes a big difference. It's painful to spend as much or maybe even more for the scope as you paid for the rifle but with scopes, you generally do get what you pay for.

[harrydog]

I have one credit card, and I use it all the time. I get air mles for every dollars. I pay my bill every month, nevermissed a payment in full since Ihave had thiscard either, well over 25 years. Using a credit card is not a sign of indebtness or what ever one wants tomake out of it. Try renting a car without a credit card. I use it tomy advantage. Course many abuse their credit card and then blame the cc cmpanies for high interest rates..
I buy almost everything with a credit card, but I also pay it off in full every month. It's a convenience thing. And I only use cards that offer rewards. For example, I've accumulated $1800 in Subaru bucks that can be used for maintenance, repairs, parts or used towards a new Subaru.

[Ikeo74]

I buy almost everything with a credit card, but I also pay it off in full every month. It's a convenience thing. And I only use cards that offer rewards. For example, I've accumulated $1800 in Subaru bucks that can be used for maintenance, repairs, parts or used towards a new Subaru.
I have a GM card that does the same thing but you have ti watch them because credits start dropping of after a couple years and you loose them if you don't use them.