View Full Version : I HATE my PM9
Well....not really. But it seems to have ruined me from being satisfied with any other pistol as an edc. My elusive search took me through a few different Glocks, Smiths, a Kimber, a Springfield and even a Shield 9. But, like a bad habit, I keep returning to the PM9.
What is wrong with me?
jocko
11-29-2012, 01:00 PM
never hate a gun, now u can hate obummer and what he has done to this cuntry, but never a gun. enough said. I hate all 4 of my kahrs. Just sayin.
pistolero_loco
11-29-2012, 05:46 PM
I bought a PM9 used that was never fired. When I seat the magazine in it and cycle the slide the first round gets stuck on the slide ramp. I tap the bottom of the slide and the round chambers and the slide slams shut. Any thoughts? Is it a mazazine issue or a pistol issue?
PS - my first shot with this pistol was from around 7 yards and was a bullseye.
MilesDavis
11-29-2012, 06:03 PM
Try chambering the first round with the slide release instead of "slingshotting" this is what the manual recommends. You can slingshot the first round into the chamber with practice, just make sure you get the slide all the way back and release it cleanly without "riding" the slide forward and slowing it down
MilesDavis
11-29-2012, 06:05 PM
also, this thread is EXTREMELY helpful
http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1521
Bawanna
11-29-2012, 06:05 PM
Lock the slide back, insert the magazine, release the slide with the slide stop lever.
After a couple hundred rounds it should sling shot fine with proper tecnique. They are pretty tight at first and not much tolerance in the sling shot dept unless you do it perfectly with no ride the slide.
Bawanna
11-29-2012, 06:06 PM
Or you could just do what quick draw Mcgraw Milesdavis said, that would work too.
deputy tom
11-29-2012, 06:06 PM
computer error. Never mind. tom.
Those @#$@# PM9's.
Love mine! Mines the blunt end one, the Jocko model PM9J, and folks... it just runs like a Singer sewin' machine... tat-tat-tat-tat-tat.... has not failed once on me, with either six or seven round mags. Been shooting WWB in it, and the odd box of Blazer aluminum case, and I think I shot a box of Federal... whatevers... thru it, because thats the cheapest stuff the range had. It was full power. Works with everything.
Similarly... those two PM45's don't skip a beat neither!
MilesDavis
11-29-2012, 06:11 PM
haha, sorry bawanna, beat ya to it. As a college student (and professional procrastinator, as I probably should be writing a paper right about now) I find myself browsing the internet entirely too much, and I can type pretty fast too.
Refer to page 16 of the owners manual.
http://www.kahr.com/PDF/kahrmanual.pdf
jocko
11-29-2012, 06:16 PM
I bought a PM9 used that was never fired. When I seat the magazine in it and cycle the slide the first round gets stuck on the slide ramp. I tap the bottom of the slide and the round chambers and the slide slams shut. Any thoughts? Is it a mazazine issue or a pistol issue?
PS - my first shot with this pistol was from around 7 yards and was a bullseye.
its a shooter issue..
7shot
11-29-2012, 08:17 PM
I had to go through assorted S&W pistols and wheel guns, three Kimbers, a Ruger, and a Springfield before I found my ultimate CC gun. I don't have the "keep coming back" issue, I had the took a long time to find issue. At least you know a good thing when you find it...
Bawanna
11-29-2012, 09:04 PM
haha, sorry bawanna, beat ya to it. As a college student (and professional procrastinator, as I probably should be writing a paper right about now) I find myself browsing the internet entirely too much, and I can type pretty fast too.
I never even cleared leather before you smoked me.
You get back to your studying now, ya hear.
And don't let em drain all the common sense out of ya, that's the toughest part.
Popeye
11-30-2012, 06:48 AM
Agree 100%. I've looked at every new product of the month small 9mm pistol that has come out over the last few years. Some I have shot, while others I've had no interest in at all. There is not one that I would even consider giving up my PM9 for. Having said that though. A good gun is a good gun and if it works for me I could care less who's name is on the grips. When it comes to EDC 9mm's it the Kahr.
LorenzoB
11-30-2012, 09:05 AM
haha, sorry bawanna, beat ya to it. As a college student (and professional procrastinator, as I probably should be writing a paper right about now) I find myself browsing the internet entirely too much, and I can type pretty fast too.
Man, that sounds just like me back when I was in college. Stay on track or you'll have to stay an extra year and that will cost big time these days!
DooSPX
11-30-2012, 11:38 AM
When I was look for to upgrade to a .40 for EDC, I checked out the Shield .40, XDSC .40 and the .40 G27. THe Kahr CM/PM40 was the smallest, thinnest and lightest. I bought it, and have loved it! The grip on the Glock 27 was more comfortable, but a Pacmyer Slip on grip solved that.
jocko
11-30-2012, 11:41 AM
Agree 100%. I've looked at every new product of the month small 9mm pistol that has come out over the last few years. Some I have shot, while others I've had no interest in at all. There is not one that I would even consider giving up my PM9 for. Having said that though. A good gun is a good gun and if it works for me I could care less who's name is on the grips. When it comes to EDC 9mm's it the Kahr.
have to agree with u on that..
Popeye
12-01-2012, 06:20 AM
When I was look for to upgrade to a .40 for EDC, I checked out the Shield .40, XDSC .40 and the .40 G27. THe Kahr CM/PM40 was the smallest, thinnest and lightest. I bought it, and have loved it! The grip on the Glock 27 was more comfortable, but a Pacmyer Slip on grip solved that.
I have a Glock 26. It's a good reliable pistol. I'm sure most would agree with me on that. The reason I very rarely carry it on my person is the angle of the grip. The G26 for me anyway is just not a natural pointer. This could be very dangerous when every 10th of a second counts. I much prefer pistols for CC that are a bit smaller, and with a 1911 grip angle or close to it. This is why some of my favorite brands of pistols are the CZ's and Kahrs. From my own experience from owning both brands, is that they are very good natural pointers,and there is no thinking involved on where the barrel is pointed. IMO they are as every bit as reliable as a Glock with proper cleaning maintenance.
If an inanimate object is capable of feeling or reasoning, my PM9 hates me due to it being put back in my safe and being there for the past few months.
It will get over it in time. ;)
pistolero_loco
12-01-2012, 07:29 PM
Try chambering the first round with the slide release instead of "slingshotting" this is what the manual recommends. You can slingshot the first round into the chamber with practice, just make sure you get the slide all the way back and release it cleanly without "riding" the slide forward and slowing it down
Thank you!
pistolero_loco
12-01-2012, 07:37 PM
its a shooter issue..
As a Senior Member of this forum I would have expected a more professional answer from you. I have owned and shot close to 20 different semi auto pistols and this is the only one that has that requirement for chambering the first round. Save your smart a$$ comments for someone who cares what you have to say.
Tinman507
12-01-2012, 07:54 PM
As a Senior Member of this forum I would have expected a more professional answer from you. I have owned and shot close to 20 different semi auto pistols and this is the only one that has that requirement for chambering the first round. Save your smart a$$ comments for someone who cares what you have to say.
You asked for opinions and got one. Albeit one you didn't want to hear, but you did ask. Several other people responded with possible solutions to your issue. ie the factory recommended method.
I take umbrage with your comment to Jocko. I am sure it wasn't a smart ass answer. It was a true and likely accurate opinion of your issue. Read the manual as suggested earlier. If you don't want honest opinions, don't ask.
JFootin
12-01-2012, 10:29 PM
As a Senior Member of this forum I would have expected a more professional answer from you. I have owned and shot close to 20 different semi auto pistols and this is the only one that has that requirement for chambering the first round. Save your smart a$$ comments for someone who cares what you have to say.
You asked for opinions and got one. Albeit one you didn't want to hear, but you did ask. Several other people responded with possible solutions to your issue. ie the factory recommended method.
I take umbrage with your comment to Jocko. I am sure it wasn't a smart ass answer. It was a true and likely accurate opinion of your issue. Read the manual as suggested earlier. If you don't want honest opinions, don't ask.
+1 on that. You don't sound like you fit on this forum. You start right off showing your ignorance and trashing the brand. Then you get nasty with one of the most beloved founding members of the forum before you have been here long enough to know him or any of the other personalities, or the kind of forum etiquette and respect that we value here. Why don't you just move on and take your attitude with you - someplace else!
FLBri
12-02-2012, 07:23 AM
+1 on that. You don't sound like you fit on this forum. You start right off showing your ignorance and trashing the brand. Then you get nasty with one of the most beloved founding members of the forum before you have been here long enough to know him or any of the other personalities, or the kind of forum etiquette and respect that we value here. Why don't you just move on and take your attitude with you - someplace else!
+2. It takes a lot of stones to be ignorant of what the manufacturer recommends, express your disappointment because they don't fit "your experience", and than ***** because you don't like the abruptness of someone that tells you straight up. A good man would would apologize and be welcome here ... will you? (option would be to just be ignored .. lol)
Bill K
12-02-2012, 07:44 AM
Well....not really. But it seems to have ruined me from being satisfied with any other pistol as an edc. My elusive search took me through a few different Glocks, Smiths, a Kimber, a Springfield and even a Shield 9. But, like a bad habit, I keep returning to the PM9.
What is wrong with me?
Can a thread be un-hijacked?
I logged in this morning to start a thread with similar sentiments concerning my PM9. Because of the PM9 I've sold my Glock 26 and find I hardly ever carry my Kel Tec .380 or Springfield .45. My PM9 loaded with 124 +P is for me a near perfect SD carry selection.
Bill K.
In defense of PL, he/she was polite and grateful, until Jocko's post. I think he just misinterpreted Jocko's short response as abrasive. Anyone who has read his posts, knows Jocko is nothing of the sort.
Unfortunate misunderstanding. Shake on it, and move on.
jocko
12-02-2012, 09:43 AM
As a Senior Member of this forum I would have expected a more professional answer from you. I have owned and shot close to 20 different semi auto pistols and this is the only one that has that requirement for chambering the first round. Save your smart a$$ comments for someone who cares what you have to say.
nor really a requrement for loading that first round but it is posTed in kahrs manaul to get people accustomered to kahrs strong recoil spring. Many people have the same issue u are having AT FIRST but after a few hundred rounds the recoil springs take a designed set and the shooter also is more used to the little things that make kahrs work correctl;y. iF U RIDE THE SLIDE WHEN HAND RACKING, U CAN GET EXACTLY WHAT UR DOING. it is shooter error.
My comment was not made to u to be sarcastic, but if ut took it that way, well. Live with it, for it is shooter error.
Peddle it, buy a gun u can handle.
All a senior member gets u on this forum is "our dues are higher". and we usualy get the frist stall in the mens. restroom, not ther handicapped, as some certainly need. Just sayin
Ikeo74
12-02-2012, 10:08 AM
All is not lost on racking the slide. After breaking in my 2 Kahr 9mm's I can indeed rack the slide, ride it forward and chamber the first round in either gun. It just needs a few rounds through it to set everything in place. Give time and try it again, and my hand strength is not as strong as when I was younger. I have now reached the 75 year mark and getting older every day.
Edit: I bet each and every one of you Kahr owners can can rack and ride the slide home to load too. If you have your 200 round breakin completed, try it.
jocko
12-02-2012, 11:24 AM
well ol timer u got 6 years on me, I do prefer the push pull method, over chancing riding the slide. It might indeed work in my kahr also but everyone rides a slide differently. What ever works for the onwer is what one should go with. Kahrs recommendation in their manual is a recommendation. Many (gpood hand rackers) report from the git go, they have no issues period.
Ikeo as u know well off to, as one gets rounds down range and gets accustomed to his kahr, this hand racking issue just dissappears.
My damn yorkie can hand rack my G19, easiest damn gun I have ever had..Course it is GLOCK PERFECTION. so what can I say..Just sayin
Can a thread be un-hijacked?
I logged in this morning to start a thread with similar sentiments concerning my PM9. Because of the PM9 I've sold my Glock 26 and find I hardly ever carry my Kel Tec .380 or Springfield .45. My PM9 loaded with 124 +P is for me a near perfect SD carry selection.
Bill K.
Okay, so now the "group" is two members strong. I have confidence we will continue to grow. All are welcome.
I call to order our first meeting. Addressing the group, I introduce myself. Hi, I'm Mike and I HATE my PM9. :D
jocko
12-02-2012, 11:30 AM
If u had the ol blunt nose PMJ9 kahr u would not say that. Don't ask me , but u can ask CJB.
hardluk1
12-02-2012, 04:03 PM
Its good to have some haters. Those haters tend to sell pistols at a loss an that lets some of use buy a fine shooters for less money. hehehe
I bought my first kahr off a very well seasoned shooter older that had major cycling issues with a cw9 and threw out a for sale price I could not pass up. I did nothing but clean and lube that pistol and it has fired right at 1200 rounds now and has been a great pistol. I went an bought a cm9 that has a few less rounds fired but is just as good . Both will sling shot reliably and the larger cw9 will hand cycle rideing the slide s l o w l y . Just like a big boy gun.
Now the man that hated this pistol did end up shooting my/his old cw9 and got comfotible enough he went and bought a new cm40 a while back and it runs fine too. Now all companies can and do make a turd now and then, but some owners a good pistol into truds do to lack of skills with small pistols or ammo that was used. You may find a cm/pm series will not cycle 115gr loads when new, give that same pistol 100 or 200 rounds of 124gr ammo and it more than likely has loosend up enough it will then shoot that lite weight ammo just fine too. Its still up to a owner to see if it has a favorate HP but that is the same with many handguns.
Anyhow I am truely glad some get PO'd and sell there handguns cheap enought to make a deal for some of use. Thanks
Tinman507
12-02-2012, 05:57 PM
At the risk of offending any long time pistol owners I offer the following:
I am a novice with pistols even though I've been shooting since I was 11. Never pistols of any variety.
I am more inclined to blame myself for issues and problems due to my relative noobiness. I suspect longtime shooters are less inclined to blame themselves for problems because they've seen it all, done it all. Even the heroes among us who are military trained aren't immune to this.
Kahrs's appear to my noob brain to be less forgiving of bad habits and sloppy manipulation than any other firearm out there.
Try a little humility and consider that it might be YOU and not the pistol. It could turn a turd into a gem with no cost to you except a tiny bit of crow. Which by the way ain't half bad with a little horseradish. Ask me how I know this.
harrydog
12-02-2012, 06:29 PM
Kahrs's appear to my noob brain to be less forgiving of bad habits and sloppy manipulation than any other firearm out there.
Not even close. Try the Rohrbaugh sometime.
jlottmc
12-03-2012, 07:22 AM
Actually, Tinman makes a very good point. Ok, a few. Yes, there are pistols that are much more unforgiving, his points are still good. A good horseradish will make most anything go down better, that or some Tabasco/Texas Pete.
vervain
12-23-2012, 08:46 PM
Complete newbie to the forum, but have had two PM9s (well, my wife has one of them) for about five years. Just thumbing through the manual and found that Kahr has a third solution for ftf on the full mag. Take out one round. It changes the angle of the cartridge as it is fed.
FWIW, I concur with the advice given here: if you run it long enough and keep it clean, eventually (if not right away) you can feed without using the slide release. I push the gun through the slide (for lack of a better way to describe it) and let my weak hand just run off the end, so to speak.
CORRECTION: I believe the tip about "one less round" is on the Kahr website and not in the manual. In any event, it works--I stumbled upon it.
JFootin
12-24-2012, 07:58 AM
vervain, welcome to the forum! :) I have a CM9. Very occasionally since new, I would get a ftf using low powered range ammo. Although that hasn't occured in a long time now. I use Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +p Hollow Points as my carry round. My gun seems to love it. I can feel and hear the extra slick way those rounds cycle in my gun, with not a hint of misfeeding.
Sometimes you will find that a pistol has a preference. I have a still new Taurus 738 TCP 380 that has some ftfs with range ammo. But it has reliably fed every Hornady Critical Defense 90 gr HP round I have ever fed it. So that is my carry round for that gun and I have fed it enough of those rounds that I am confident to carry it. I will continue to break it in using range ammo and I expect the ftfs to go away. I have read too many posts from other TCP owners who say their guns feed everything reliably. My issues are probably with my weak, crippled hands and wrists. So I, too, need some more breaking in with this gun. But at under $200, it is turning out to be a great BUG.
Ikeo74
12-24-2012, 08:51 AM
At the risk of offending any long time pistol owners I offer the following:
I am a novice with pistols even though I've been shooting since I was 11. Never pistols of any variety.
I am more inclined to blame myself for issues and problems due to my relative noobiness. I suspect longtime shooters are less inclined to blame themselves for problems because they've seen it all, done it all. Even the heroes among us who are military trained aren't immune to this.
Kahrs's appear to my noob brain to be less forgiving of bad habits and sloppy manipulation than any other firearm out there.
Try a little humility and consider that it might be YOU and not the pistol. It could turn a turd into a gem with no cost to you except a tiny bit of crow. Which by the way ain't half bad with a little horseradish. Ask me how I know this.
I agree, and I have a horseradish story that brought me to my knees! Don't ask me how I know.
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