Cm45 ??

[dishray]

Just looked at Kahr's website and saw CM45 Coming soon ! Anyone have any info on this ?

Just what I've been wanting.:D

[MLESa7990]

prob introduce at shot show 2013

[CJB]

I never would have believed it but...

aside from the great news, there's lessons to be learned about the manufacturing, marketing, and markets....

[TucsonMTB]

http://www.rrarms.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/G/C/GCM4543.jpg
More details from a company who has already added it to their sales list at $410.00!

BARREL LENGTH IN INCHES: 3.0000
CALIBER: .45ACP
FINISH: STAINLESS-MATTE
FRAME MATERIAL: POLYMER
GRIP MATERIAL: POLYMER
MAGAZINE CAPACITY: 6.0000
NUMBER OF MAGAZINES INCLUDED: 1.0000
OAL: 5.42"
WEIGHT IN OUNCES: 15.9000

http://www.rrarms.com/kahr-arms-cm45-45acp-fs-matte-s-s-black-polymer.html

[BEARDOG]

Nice! I have been waiting for this one (almost bought the CW45 so many times, but I restrained myself LOL) I think this will be my next Kahr.

I already like the looks/lines of this one over the PM45, and from this pic it shows that the slide serrations go all the way to the top, I never understood why the PM45 only had half size serrations???

I think their specs maybe a little optimistic though... unless Kahr figured out how to make the CM45 lighter, shorter. and carry 1 more in the mag??? :)

PM45 specs;(Kahr website)
Caliber: .45 ACP
Capacity: 5+1
Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect
Barrel: 3.24", polygonal rifling, 1 - 16.38 right-hand twist
Length O/A: 5.79"
Height: 4.49"
Slide Width: 1.01"
Weight: Pistol 17.3 oz., Magazine 2 oz.
Grips: Textured polymer
Sights: Drift adjustable, white bar-dot combat sights
Finish: Black polymer frame, matte stainless steel slide
Magazines: 2 - 5 rd, Stainless

[MikeyKahr]

LOL about the specs. Copy/Paste anyone?

[TucsonMTB]

I hear that. If the picture of the CM45 is correct, the numbers in the dealer listing are wrong.

I scaled the two images in Photoshop to compare them and the CM barrel (thus slide) does NOT appear to be shorter. If it were, a quarter inch shorter barrel and slide might account for a 1.2 ounce weight reduction. But, they appear to be the same size in the scaled images. So, I dunno. :rolleyes:

The grips appear to be the same length. So, the 5 + 1 = 6 round capacity is the same, as listed

It is a nice looking piece and I agree with you about the serrations, BEARDOG. :)

[BEARDOG]

Just for the heck of it I emailed a question about the ETA of the release of the CM45 for sale to Kahr sales C.S. and he thinks, (like I thought), it will be a SHOT intro...

This is what they said....

" I currently do not have any details in regards to possible availability/shipping dates for the CM45.

I am guessing it will likely be introduced at Shot Show 2013 with more details following that.

Thanks! "

Just for reference, I was one of the first to get a CM9. After its SHOT show intro, I bought it the first day they were released for sale and that was the @ the end of March...3/28/11

[Armybrat]

Wonder if it'll have a flush-fitting magazine like the other CMs?

[MLESa7990]

If its like the CM9 and CM40, the frame will be the same as the PM45, so i'm sure it will still be the same polymer mags as the PM45.

[BEARDOG]

Good for you! And, thanks for the new information.

No doubt you will beat me to the punch, if I get one at all. From actual testing I know that the PM40's I have fit in my pockets much better than the PM45. Also, there are several 1911's who might get jealous if someone else started eating their ammo. :rolleyes:

We will see... I hear you on the size thing... and have to think about some other .45's as well.
But, I "need" more 45's in my stable:D I only have my old, trusty P12-45...I wanted a SR1911 but Ruger is starting to *&%^ me off with the lack of availability and inflated dealer pricing on those... I was thinking about the new XDs too,and now this CM45 for a nice small frame carry .45. Also the XDm compact .45 and G30...so as usual I have more wants then $$$:hurt:

[newCW45guy]

Having a CW45 and problems with trigger reset recovering from rapid fire I just don't see a shorter barrel and less grip would be any better. I really might be interested in a CM40 though. I turned down the Glock 30 for the short grip knowing the recoil. But if a S&W Shield in .40S&W suddenly is available my CW45 with both Trijicons and CrimsonTrace will likely be for sale.

[TucsonMTB]

Whatever floats your boat, Mr. NewCW45guy. With the exception of Mr. Jeepster09, who shares my opinion, most people seem to be afraid of "fotays" (S&W .40 cal).

I think they "rock" and have one in my pocket most of the time. YMMV ;)

That said, the new CM45 is pretty much a perfect replacement for a PM45 that will likely sell for $200 less than the high priced spread. I suspect it will be very popular.

Me, I will stick with my 1911's for .45 ACP, mostly because I am poor and they are paid for. :o

[newCW45guy]

Whatever floats your boat, Mr. NewCW45guy. With the exception of Mr. Jeepster09, who shares my opinion, most people seem to be afraid of "fotays" (S&W .40 cal).

I think they "rock" and have one in my pocket most of the time. YMMV ;)

That said, the new CM45 is pretty much a perfect replacement for a PM45 that will likely sell for $200 less than the high priced spread. I suspect it will be very popular.

Me, I will stick with my 1911's for .45 ACP, mostly because I am poor and they are paid for. :o

I'm sold on the .40 and have a 1076 loaded with lite 10mm loads. Which I can accurately shoot that fast or slow. The Khar CW45 not so much. Slow it's incredibly accurate. Fast though about 50% of the time I can't recoup grip and trigger reset. Laugh all you want a smaller .45 is good for one reliable shot only. Hell, I could probably empty the mag on my bodyguard .380 in a panic situation before I could recover from the pull the trigger no bang from the CW45. What good is a .45 then?

[TucsonMTB]

Yep! For you, it is not a good choice.

However, lots of other people shoot them very well.

I guess it's true when they say, "Your mileage may vary." ;)

[O'Dell]

Yep! For you, it is not a good choice.

However, lots of other people shoot them very well.

I guess it's true when they say, "Your mileage may vary." ;)

I'm one of those who shoots both the CW40 and 45 well, but I much prefer the 45 ACP. My CW40 will be my trade for the CM45 when it makes an appearance. I've been waiting ever since my PM45 was stolen. Whoopee, one more 45 and one less 40. That will make it 11 to 2 in favor of the 45's. However, there's no way that I'll dump my USP 40 or the MK40.

[bonjorno2]

I find the 45acp much easier to recover from than the 40. I had a shield 40 and it had mag drop issues. I waited almost a month for s&w to get it back to me and when they did I sold it full disclosure. It's the about the same size as the cw40 anyways. My xds is accurate and much better than the pm45 i owned. That being said I am glad kahr is going to release this line.... if it falls in line with the cm9-40 pricing it will be sub 400 for leo's!


here's a vid a found comparing the 9's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHr8oHEuHrw

[JohnR]

CM45 sounds fun, but I'll hold out for a K45.

[ESAFO]

how can somebody else offer a product that the manufacturer does'nt even offer? :cool:

[jocko]

wellmaybe , just maybe kahr after the cm45 is out, willlook at an all steel K45. they might also addresssome desert tan finishs etc,Some cosmetic stuff to just entice us to buy anutter one. I think a K45 wold be a very expensive gun. Bet it would hit cvlose to a grand before all is said and done. Just sayin

[Engineer88]

What are these trigger reset issues on the CW45? Maybe I need to search...

[mtwashingtonhunter]

That will be a seller...I can't believe more people don't jump on the CM bandwagon. Most of my local shops will guide you away from Kahrs and directly to the Glocks (which I'm not a fan)...I always tell them how great the CMs are and being so affordable is a HUGE plus. It definitely gets the shop's employees thinking about the Kahrs because the ones that direct you elsewhere have never shot them.

[CJB]

wellmaybe , just maybe kahr after the cm45 is out, willlook at an all steel K45. they might also addresssome desert tan finishs etc,Some cosmetic stuff to just entice us to buy anutter one. I think a K45 wold be a very expensive gun. Bet it would hit cvlose to a grand before all is said and done. Just sayin

Dunno Jocko. The price of things is what the market will go for, not based very much on the cost of production. The PM's and CM's cost Kahr diddly-squat different in price to build. We don't know what that price is, but the difference... is not much.

Now for the shocker - it could actually be, that gun-for-gun the CM is MORE expensive to produce. Not saying it is, but it could be. It doesn't matter. Its marketed as a the down-market item based on its feature set. The reason polygonal bores are used in many arms is the lower cost of production! Just sayin... Same as "hammer forged", is touted as being good, but is lower cost than button rifled. All are less expensive then cut rifling.

The "features" of the item set their perceived place in the market - and what the market is willing to pay. An all steel 45 would be more - because the market (you and me) would be willing to pay more for it, not necessarily because its more expensive to produce.

Most folks don't see things in that light. They see the "cost up" way of marketing. No significant manufacturer uses that methodology. Its always "first determine what the market will support", then build that item with as little cost as possible. Production costs can be pretty low, and out of the factor mark-up pretty high. Which is how a more expensive to produce item can actually sell for less, and still be wildly profitable, or even more so, due to increased sales based on lower price (with lower marketed features).

The CM/CW line is a way for Kahr to keep sales volume up, maintaining a level of profitability that the K/P line would not fully support.

[TucsonMTB]

Thank you, Dr. Science (aka CJB)!

I always read your posts because I always learn something new and usually interesting. :yo:

[jocko]

good logic,u steel guys should hope ur right. I just don't for see it happening.Lots of already big steel 45's floating around today. Look atthe kahr T9's. Lucky if they sell a thousand a year. That won't pay their light bill..
I would sooner think the MK45 would be a possability, as everything seems to be SMALL IS GOOD..

Just sayin

[CJB]

Thank you, Dr. Science (aka CJB)!

I always read your posts because I always learn something new and usually interesting. :yo:

Wait until I get into factory costs, production time-slot allocation, production timekeeping ROI, etc... It'll drive ya bonkers.

Teaser:
Factories are usually a company within a company. That is, you'll have a sales/marketing company that is the sole customer of the factory company, all part of the parent company. How much does the factory charge the sales folks? To see that, you have to think of the factory (aka "manufacturing") as a finite entity like a pie, and each product they produce is a section of that pie. You also have a total cost to the pie itself, which are fixed regardless of the item produced. Items production time must account for itself within the whole of available manufacturing time, but seldom does.. so you have this rather complex game of accounting making product X pay for product Y's production time, etc etc... its a mess. I want no part of it anymore!

[O'Dell]

good logic,u steel guys should hope ur right. I just don't for see it happening.Lots of already big steel 45's floating around today. Look atthe kahr T9's. Lucky if they sell a thousand a year. That won't pay their light bill..
I would sooner think the MK45 would be a possability, as everything seems to be SMALL IS GOOD..

Just sayin

I'm certainly with you on the MK45. As much as I like the 45 ACP round if I had to sell all my Kahrs, the MK40 would be the last to go.

[CJB]

I'll say this too... if I didn't already have two PM45's, I'd gladly go for a CM45, without a moment hesitation.

[TheTman]

I sold my CW45, so I could pay for a gun that my widow friend wanted me to sell for her. I decided to keep the widow's gun, since it had no paperwork leading to me, (a compact SIG 9mm with night sights), and sell my CW45. I had some bad luck with my CW45, it went back to the factory 3 times, First time right off the bat for the trigger not resetting, 2nd and 3rd times to see if they could get the 7 round mags to work with it, which they said worked fine, but never did. They would work ok if you only loaded 3 or 4 rounds in them, and I imagine that's how they tested them and called them good.
Anyway, I was getting ready to order another CW45, when I saw the announcement for the CM45. I think I'm going to wait and get the CM instead of the CW. I wonder if it will work with the 7 round mags?. Sure would be nice to have a spare mag with 2 extra cartridges in it. Has anyone tried the 7 round mags in their CM40?

[Bill K]

I personally would like a PM45 with a rifled barrel so that I could practice with hard cast reloads [I'm frugal, not cheap. :)]. Would a CM45's barrel work in a PM45?

[yqtszhj]

What are these trigger reset issues on the CW45? Maybe I need to search...

Any trigger reset issue (if it even happens, which it probably won't) is a minor issue that is easily fixable. It's because tolerances are very tight on the gun. I had a small problem with my cw45 when the gun got hot that would have fixed itself through breakin if I had been that patient, but I wasn't, so I smoothed a sharp edge on the trigger bar myself that would have probably fixed itself.

Other than that my CW45 has been flawless. If fires every time and is lighter than any other 45 out there that I am aware of. And even though it is light I would say it shoots as smooth as my 1911.

If you get the opportunity to get one, DO IT FOR SURE. you'll be glad you did.

[yqtszhj]

as everything seems to be SMALL IS GOOD..

Just sayin

That's not what she said, Oh I digress ... sorry. :israel:

[ESAFO]

I sold my CW45, so I could pay for a gun that my widow friend wanted me to sell for her. I decided to keep the widow's gun, since it had no paperwork leading to me, (a compact SIG 9mm with night sights), and sell my CW45. I had some bad luck with my CW45, it went back to the factory 3 times, First time right off the bat for the trigger not resetting, 2nd and 3rd times to see if they could get the 7 round mags to work with it, which they said worked fine, but never did. They would work ok if you only loaded 3 or 4 rounds in them, and I imagine that's how they tested them and called them good.
Anyway, I was getting ready to order another CW45, when I saw the announcement for the CM45. I think I'm going to wait and get the CM instead of the CW. I wonder if it will work with the 7 round mags?. Sure would be nice to have a spare mag with 2 extra cartridges in it. Has anyone tried the 7 round mags in their CM40?
talked with him just this w/e about this, the mag model #KS620 same look as the 7rd'r for the CM'S.
http://kahrtalk.com/showpost.php?p=204346&postcount=265