CW9 Shoots high.Really high

[kahrbw9]

Went on a range trip today and at 25 yards I pretty much had to not use any front sight to get it on paper.I had to line up the sights and drop the front sight so only the very top was showing.I have put around 600 rounds through this gun at 10-15 yards and it was pretty accurate.Just wondering at further distances anyone having this issue.

[jocko]

25 yards is a very long way IMO. being ur OK at 10 yards, I would have to think more practice at 25 yards would help but I guess my question other than just wanting to shoot that distace is why. the gun IMO is a close up defense gun, If I want to hit something at 25 yards, I think I would pick anutter gun maker. That is just a very long distance. My suggestion is to get back up to the 10 yards line and drill um like u were doing.

[Charlie98]

I have 2 CW9's, one shoots almost point of aim, the other shoots very low (in fact, I'm trying to find a solution for that as we speak...) Differences in bullet weight, specifically 115grn vs 147grn, make a difference as well... you may want to try something a little different.

While Jocko is correct that the Kahr is designed as a defensive pistol, I think it should be fairly accurate at normal handgun ranges... my standard is 50'; 75' may be a bit much. YMMV...

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

Charlie - did you get my email w/ the pics? thanks - steve

[Charlie98]

Charlie - did you get my email w/ the pics? thanks - steve

I did, yes, sir! Working on it as we speak... er, type!

[jocko]

I have 2 CW9's, one shoots almost point of aim, the other shoots very low (in fact, I'm trying to find a solution for that as we speak...) Differences in bullet weight, specifically 115grn vs 147grn, make a difference as well... you may want to try something a little different.

While Jocko is correct that the Kahr is designed as a defensive pistol, I think it should be fairly accurate at normal handgun ranges... my standard is 50'; 75' may be a bit much. YMMV...

I think the gun is accurate at 25 yards, just that most shooters are not, so again it is the guns fault. I have never seen an actual 25 yard kahr test off of a shooting maching,. It would be interesting to see, but I think we are realy streching the band at the 25 yardes range or should I say most of us anyways, as we do have some good shooters on this forum..

[MW surveyor]

25 yards? Heck, I shoot mine at 25 meters. You aught to see the one hole groups I get. :)

[kahrbw9]

Yea, let see you back it up.post some pics.

[Charlie98]

Well, if you all can wait a month, I'll be in Nevada with both of the CW9's I have. I plan on doing some pretty thorough testing with both of them using various bullet weights and swapping the barrels/slides around. Inquiring minds want to know... and I'm a pretty good shot, mind you. Pictures at eleven...

[les strat]

I can't hit worth a crap at 15 ft with a short barreled pistol with long triggers. You should see me with a j-frame :o. I wasn't much better with my CM9 after hundreds of rounds. I do shoot pretty well with my 1911, my 629, and my Glocks though.

[jocko]

I can't hit worth a crap at 15 ft with a short barreled pistol with long triggers. You should see me with a j-frame :o. I wasn't much better with my CM9 after hundreds of rounds. I do shoot pretty well with my 1911, my 629, and my Glocks though.

my, u mean there are now two of us who can't hit jack sh!t at 15 ft with our trusty kahrs. I can burn up the target with myh G19 but not any ofmy kahrs---SO THEY JUST GOTTA BE 3 BAD KAHRS. U think??? Just sayin

[MW surveyor]

Yea, let see you back it up.post some pics.

Obviously you are not familiar with the "one shot group".

Shoot one shot......don't shoot any more......it's a one shot group!:behindsofa:

[Charlie98]

I can't hit worth a crap at 15 ft with a short barreled pistol with long triggers. You should see me with a j-frame :o. I wasn't much better with my CM9 after hundreds of rounds. I do shoot pretty well with my 1911, my 629, and my Glocks though.

...that's why I quit carrying my J-frame... I SUCK! The CW9, for me anyway, shoots very easily and I don't have any problems with the trigger. I'm guessing it's the grip geometry or something. Traditionally, I stink with any DA auto trigger, most are very sloppy anyway. Now... my 1911... that's another story.

[CJB]

Went on a range trip today and at 25 yards I pretty much had to not use any front sight to get it on paper.I had to line up the sights and drop the front sight so only the very top was showing.I have put around 600 rounds through this gun at 10-15 yards and it was pretty accurate.Just wondering at further distances anyone having this issue.

The math is very simple.

Consider triangles, point to point along a straight line.

On one side, you have the sight radius. On the other side, the distance from front sight to target. You can express that as a ratio. If you have a 6 inch sight radius, and a 25 yard target, the ratio is 6:900 <-- 900 being 25yards expressed in inches (25x3x12)

You can reduce that down from 6:900 to 1:150 by dividing the 900 by 6.

So for ever 1 unit of sight movement, you're getting 150 of the same unit of impact movement at the specified distance.

Continuing on... if we needed to move the point of impact 10 inches at 25 yards... we'd have to move one of, or a combination of, sights 1/150th of ten inches, or about .066 inches. That is about 1/16 inch.

If you're super far off.... its probably not a sight correction thats needed. Its hard to make a gun that is THAT far off, as far as manufacturing tolerances go. IOW, they'd ALL be about that far off, so having a weird "off" pistol is probably not gonna happen very often. It would be something weird perhaps... bad crown on barrel, that sort of thing.

Which means... if you're off that amount... it very well could be the shooter.

[JFootin]

I can't hit worth a crap at 15 ft with a short barreled pistol with long triggers. You should see me with a j-frame :o. I wasn't much better with my CM9 after hundreds of rounds. I do shoot pretty well with my 1911, my 629, and my Glocks though.


...that's why I quit carrying my J-frame... I SUCK! The CW9, for me anyway, shoots very easily and I don't have any problems with the trigger. I'm guessing it's the grip geometry or something. Traditionally, I stink with any DA auto trigger, most are very sloppy anyway. Now... my 1911... that's another story.

I had a trigger job done on my J-frame. Double action pull is now 4.25 pounds. I have no problem being deadly accurate at 15 ft with it. In fact, I prefer carrying my J-frame over my other pistols. It was sitting inside my waistband at 10:30 all day yesterday during my visit to Wallyworld and KFC. IMO, a great carry pistol. :D

[kahrbw9]

Well I figured out the issue.The fiber optic sight my brother gave me is not the correct height.

[MW surveyor]

Well I figured out the issue.The fiber optic sight my brother gave me is not the correct height.

See, it wasn't the gun but the after market sight. :cheer2:
Thanks for clearing that up.

[jocko]

didn't kow there was different heights of fiberoptic sights for the cw series even. Learn sujpin new ever day.

[kahrbw9]

Its a dawson precision.And they make two heights and 3 widths.
Its the .160 height.And I believe i need the .180 height.Makes a big differences at 25 yards.

[MW surveyor]

Its a dawson precision.And they make two heights and 3 widths.
Its the .160 height.And I believe i need the .180 height.Makes a big differences at 25 yards.

You know that Dawson will take that sight back and send you the correct height. Might have to have your brother send it in, since he's the one that gave it to you.

Best thing to do is to bench shoot the gun to see exactly how high it is shooting at 25 yards, then use their formula for finding the right height.

[badge4436]

I hit torso size metal at 50 yards no problem with my CW9. Place target on top of front sight, trigger control and follow through. The basics.

[kahrbw9]

Emailed Dawson precision immediately after that earlier post and got the following response.

If the sight has already been installed unfortunately we would not be able to resell it, or discount it. If you can give me the sight radius measurement on the weapon from the back of the rear sight to the back off the front sight, we can do Mr Dawson formula to figure out what sight you may need. Also would need to know what the current front sight height is.

[MW surveyor]

That's interesting. From the wording on their web site it appeared to me that they would do something for you.

Sorry about that.

[ajiarcher]

I am not happy with my groups even at 15ft., I tend to shoot consistently to the right about 3". I have about 1000 rounds through my pm9 and still can't get used to the long trigger pull. I dry fired a couple of times at the range and found myself slightly lowering the pistol as I depressed the trigger. I've pretty much cured low shot groups because of that but still shoot to the right. I don't do that with other pistols that I've test fired at the range. I shoot with both eyes open, but have tried closing either eye with the same results. I went to the range yesterday with my son and he seemed to be on center with most of his shots, we both fired about 70 rounds of winchester 115 grain fmj., I've had same accuracy results with other brands of 115 grain bullets.
I notice that the Kahr website is advertising improved trigger on new pm's, is that an upgrad that can be done with Ma. legal pm's with external safety and lci?

[jocko]

that rearsight will move to bring ur groups tighter. as long as your consintely 3"to the right, u can adjust thsat out very easily.

Not sure kahr will upgrade the MA legal PM9 to the enhanced tirgger either. That would be a good question to run by Jay at Kahr...The imporved triggeris actualy6 1/8" less travel, and tha tis all over ur PM now...

[muggsy]

The standard for defensive pistol shooting is 21'. You didn't buy a target pistol you bought a concealed carry pistol. It is what it is.

[muggsy]

I am not happy with my groups even at 15ft., I tend to shoot consistently to the right about 3". I have about 1000 rounds through my pm9 and still can't get used to the long trigger pull. I dry fired a couple of times at the range and found myself slightly lowering the pistol as I depressed the trigger. I've pretty much cured low shot groups because of that but still shoot to the right. I don't do that with other pistols that I've test fired at the range. I shoot with both eyes open, but have tried closing either eye with the same results. I went to the range yesterday with my son and he seemed to be on center with most of his shots, we both fired about 70 rounds of winchester 115 grain fmj., I've had same accuracy results with other brands of 115 grain bullets.
I notice that the Kahr website is advertising improved trigger on new pm's, is that an upgrad that can be done with Ma. legal pm's with external safety and lci?

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