Oregon Mall Shooting:

[Barth]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/oregon-mall-shooting-gunman-tentatively-identified/story?id=17940362#.UMh0X2-9Z8E
A masked gunman who opened fire in the crowded Clackamas Town Center mall in suburban Portland, Ore.,
killing two individuals and seriously injuring a third before killing himself,
has been "tentatively" identified by police, though they have not yet released his name.

The shooter, wearing a white hockey mask, black clothing, and a bullet proof vest,
tore through the mall around 3:30 p.m. Tuesday,
entering through a Macy's store and proceeding to the food court and public areas spraying bullets, according to witness reports.
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[340pd]

We need this like we need another A*****e

[muggsy]

A guess that the mall should have posted no AR-15 signs. Signs don't stop crimes. Armed law abiding citizens stop crime.

[MO_Soldier]

Good call muggsy. I don't think this would fly in Missouri. Too many law abiding citizens who carry guns. Granted, even for me it would have been quite a task to pull off a head shot on this guy.

I can't help but think I would have hidden until he passed me, before taking a well placed shot from behind; up close and personal.

[knkali]

if gun were not around this would not have happened. We must ban the damn things immediately. OR start carrying rifle caliber pistols to counter the bullet proof vest

[JustinN]

Good call muggsy. I don't think this would fly in Missouri. Too many law abiding citizens who carry guns. Granted, even for me it would have been quite a task to pull off a head shot on this guy.

I can't help but think I would have hidden until he passed me, before taking a well placed shot from behind; up close and personal.

I think about situations like this...and If I was shopping alone the chance of me trying to take him out would be much higher than If I had my wife and/or daughter with me....in those situations, if I had a safe way to get them out without drawing attention to ourselves (aka by going bang bang bang) I would do it. Sorry other folks, my family first..and in many situations my own safety. I'm no longer a paid officer where the "innocents" fall higher on the hierarchy than myself.....it may sound bad, but a dude in a vest with an AR is going to outmatch me with a CCW....Now, no choice or he's close enough to get a contact head shot from behind, I won't turn tail and run....but if I am far enough away to be gone, I will be.

[muggsy]

How does a man dressed in camo, wearing body armor and a mask, carrying and AR-15 just walk into a mall unnoticed? A curious mind wants to know. Can you say situation awareness? Can you say cell phone? I guess no one wanted to get involved.

[JustinN]

How does a man dressed in camo, wearing body armor and a mask, carrying and AR-15 just walk into a mall unnoticed? A curious mind wants to know. Can you say situation awareness? Can you say cell phone? I guess no one wanted to get involved.

I've wondered that same thing.....just the normal thing to do there in Portland I guess.....

I think even here in SW MO where a lot of people carry, it would draw suspicion as soon as you were carrying your rifle into the mall and/or wearing a mask...put the two together and it gets way worse IMO. I read that news article from the other post, and it talks about how no one was even calling 911, AFTER the shooting had started. In Sociology we called this Diffusion of Responsibility. Everyone thinks someone else is going to help. It's the reason we have so many wrongs occurring in plain sight and no one doing anything about it...they all think someone else will help. It's why you're better off breaking down on a very unbusy stretch of road than a busy one, you're more likely to get help by the one or two passerbys vs the hundreds.

[Barth]

I think about situations like this...and If I was shopping alone the chance of me trying to take him out would be much higher than If I had my wife and/or daughter with me....in those situations, if I had a safe way to get them out without drawing attention to ourselves (aka by going bang bang bang) I would do it. Sorry other folks, my family first..and in many situations my own safety. I'm no longer a paid officer where the "innocents" fall higher on the hierarchy than myself.....it may sound bad, but a dude in a vest with an AR is going to outmatch me with a CCW....Now, no choice or he's close enough to get a contact head shot from behind, I won't turn tail and run....but if I am far enough away to be gone, I will be.

I too am thinking escape first.
If escape is not possible?
Then cover and any kind of tactical advantage.
Finding the best place to make a stand.
Fortunately time is on your side.

Hit the fire alarm and look for an ambush point.
If the shooter has just a vest, sans full body armor, then pelvis and legs get priority for shooting.

I'm usually thinking head to the back of stores for service entrances and loading docks.

[knkali]

I too am thinking escape first.
If escape is not possible?
Then cover and any kind of tactical advantage.
Finding the best place to make a stand.
Fortunately time is on your side.

Hit the fire alarm and look for an ambush point.
If the shooter has just a vest, sans full body armor, then pelvis and legs get priority for shooting.

I'm usually thinking head to the back of stores for service entrances and loading docks.

I agree with you Barth. When I go out, I am much more situationally aware.

[JFootin]

How does a man dressed in camo, wearing body armor and a mask, carrying and AR-15 just walk into a mall unnoticed? A curious mind wants to know. Can you say situation awareness? Can you say cell phone? I guess no one wanted to get involved.

It said he appeared in Macy's, then went toward the food court. He probably carried everything in a duffle bag and suited up in a changing room.

[el_presidente]

How does a man dressed in camo, wearing body armor and a mask, carrying and AR-15 just walk into a mall unnoticed? A curious mind wants to know. Can you say situation awareness? Can you say cell phone? I guess no one wanted to get involved.

My guess is shock/the "no way is this happening" factor. Almost nobody has actually thought about how they would react in a situation like this, and so I would expect 'em to freeze up.

[mr surveyor]

camo?

another knee-jerk media reaction hyping their perception of evil.

seems there was no camo, and the punk stole the rifle

[Barth]

camo?

another knee-jerk media reaction hyping their perception of evil.

seems there was no camo, and the punk stole the rifle

Also no body armor;
"The gunman was wearing a load-bearing vest --
a military-style vest that makes it easier to carry heavy equipment,
which many witnesses confused with a bulletproof vest --
and was armed with a semi-automatic rifle."

[Yogi 117]

Sen Ginny Burdick, D-Portland has already today made public her intent to introduce a bill to Ban the Transfer of Large Capacity magazines to anyone other than Police or Military in Oregon. It's been a real fight to maintain gun rights in this state, but with a D controlled Governor's Mansion, House & Senate, I can only think negatively about what's coming for all Oregonians regarding guns. The Progressives will just not stop! Sad day in Oregon! Thoughts & prayers go out to all families adversely affected by this Heinous crime! :mad:

[Bawanna]

Perhaps we should all write her a nice letter and suggest that she propose a law that a person automatically gets hung by the neck until dead if they use a high capacity magazine in the commission of a heinous crime.
Of course then lawyers would argue that the high cap mags were extra and they really didn't intend to utilize them so they should get a pardon because they look like bummers dogs son.

[Barth]

Perhaps we should all write her a nice letter and suggest that she propose a law that a person automatically gets hung by the neck until dead if they use a high capacity magazine in the commission of a heinous crime.
Of course then lawyers would argue that the high cap mags were extra and they really didn't intend to utilize them so they should get a pardon because they look like bummers dogs son.



I still like the idea of nationally televised electric chair executions of cold blooded murderers.

I like the idea but the picture was a little close to the line. Looked a lot like bummers grandpa. Hope you understand. Find one of Ted Bundy surrounded by the Black Panther Party and we're probably good to go.

Ops, sorry about that.
You know me.
Push the envelope guy.
We will go without the visual aid.

[getsome]

I'm down with that Barth 100% but it would have to be after American Idol is over to get the Obama crowd interested...:rolleyes:

[MW surveyor]

I'm sure all of you remember the "this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs" infomercials. Sad to say that hardly any of the hard core users were affected by those.

As you know, I live in Texas where we do execute for murder and other heinous crimes. Didn't seem to slow or deter the folks waiting on death row here.

A better idea would be to have convicted murderers fight each other to the death in a televised match. The winner gets to fight the next convicted murderer and so on. Oh wait, think I've heard of this before.

[chrish]

The should ban load bearing vests and hockey masks. They scare me.

[jocko]

yes and I guess he had oner of those nasty assualt AR's to. I wold say they should consider this event as a lucky one in that only 2 were killed, a tragedy no less but damn he fired alot of bullets and hit nuttin. I am so glad they tur the gun on themselves when they are done, just saves so so much time and money on pure asswipes.

Clurse as u know the GUNS MADE HIM DO IT. It wasnopt his fault, I bet obummer also wishs he had a son like that to. Just sayin. He resembles alot of Nancy Pelosie's love child. Just sayin

I walk in a big mall about every day during the winter months and my buddy PMJ9 is with me all the time. I laid my harley leather jacket down on the bench last year to walk around the mall and some fokking thief stole it before I made on trip around the mall. I just know it was a goldwiner who took it:blah:

[Barth]

yes and I guess he had oner of those nasty assualt AR's to. I wold say they should consider this event as a lucky one in that only 2 were killed, a tragedy no less but damn he fired alot of bullets and hit nuttin. I am so glad they tur the gun on themselves when they are done, just saves so so much time and money on pure asswipes.

Clurse as u know the GUNS MADE HIM DO IT. It wasnopt his fault, I bet obummer also wishs he had a son like that to. Just sayin. He resembles alot of Nancy Pelosie's love child. Just sayin

I walk in a big mall about every day during the winter months and my buddy PMJ9 is with me all the time. I laid my harley leather jacket down on the bench last year to walk around the mall and some fokking thief stole it before I made on trip around the mall. I just know it was a goldwiner who took it:blah:

http://static.stuff.co.nz/1337040197/109/6924109.jpg

[jocko]

that my jacket, I just knew it was a pretend honder rider.. Just sayin

[Tinman507]

http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o542/tinman507/jockoavatar2.jpg

[MikeyKahr]

O my...

[Yogi 117]

yes and I guess he had oner of those nasty assualt AR's to. I wold say they should consider this event as a lucky one in that only 2 were killed, a tragedy no less but damn he fired alot of bullets and hit nuttin. I am so glad they tur the gun on themselves when they are done, just saves so so much time and money on pure asswipes.:blah:
I can only assume, but his lack of hitting more people probably stems from the fact he stole the AR from a friend & didn't really know how to operate it effectively. You are correct in your assessment that we're lucky more people weren't hit & that he did in fact decide to take his own life before doing more damage. At least Oregonians won't be paying for his incarceration for years to come. Good riddance! :mad:

[RedRyder]

An interesting sidelight to this story - my wife teaches middle school here in our little town and the county sheriffs dept recently did an after school faculty meeting for teachers after they had a practice lockdown with an "active KILLER" Note the term they used has changed. Not "active shooter" but active killer". One of their points was that in profiling these cases, they are finding that the kids are trying to outdo whatever was previously the most killed or wounded. THe most interesting thing they did was pass out applications for a concealed carry class (of course with the instructions that they could not carry on school grounds). They warned that the malls and grocery parking lots were becoming hotbeds of mugging activities here in town, especially around the holidays.

Velly inellesting. ;)

[Bawanna]

My hats off to them for changing the designation from Active Shooter. Although Active Shooter works fine too. That to me is one of the best things LE has ever done is create these Active Shooter responses.

We do them not nearly often enough but there is a plan and the best part is the Active Shooter call is the cue to not wait for the armored car and every one dress in their way cool tactical pajamas but first responders go in recon and stop the threat while the SWAT guys are setting up.

Saves a lot of time and a lot of lives rather than sitting around getting dressed, doing media interviews and making coffee in the command post. I know most officers feel the same way, they want to go, not wait for a plan.

Of course everyone knows how much I support and endorse profiling, its so non PC, I just love it.

[Barth]

My hats off to them for changing the designation from Active Shooter. Although Active Shooter works fine too. That to me is one of the best things LE has ever done is create these Active Shooter responses.

We do them not nearly often enough but there is a plan and the best part is the Active Shooter call is the cue to not wait for the armored car and every one dress in their way cool tactical pajamas but first responders go in recon and stop the threat while the SWAT guys are setting up.

Saves a lot of time and a lot of lives rather than sitting around getting dressed, doing media interviews and making coffee in the command post. I know most officers feel the same way, they want to go, not wait for a plan.

Of course everyone knows how much I support and endorse profiling, its so non PC, I just love it.

Naturally freezing and paralyzing panic are first responses for many.
There really needs to be practiced drills and procedures just like a fire drill.
Know where your exits are.
I'm an advocate of hitting the fire alarm as a panic button causing an immediate evacuation in a "active shooter" situation.

[Bawanna]

Now days a big plus is that practically every kid in school has a cell phone so there are lots of inside eyes to help responders.

Actually the same applies to malls and such.

I'm still an advocate because of the earlier post where they are trying to out do previous dirt bags, make examples out of the rare ones that live.

Rather than make it a pain for all the good guys. I'm sure they'll think of metal detectors in malls pretty soon, maybe have TSA folks so you take your shoes off unless of course your middle Eastern, Muslim etc, we wouldn't want to offend them.

[jlottmc]

I just read an article that says this scrote may just have been confronted by a CHL holder named Nick Meli. Some gas for the fire.

[K.C.]

I just read an article that says this scrote may just have been confronted by a CHL holder named Nick Meli. Some gas for the fire.

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[knkali]

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tough call for sure.

[bulletbm]

edited to read: "I'm an idiot. Sorry I did not think before typing anything on the forum. It will not happen again, the mods made sure of that."

[LorenzoB]

Guess they were there... huh? I have to say many people on this site have let their ass override there mouth. Also next time 6 and 7 year old kids get mass murdered worry a bit more about these poor kids and a bit less about losing your precious guns.

Some of you are true pathetic human beings and you have a lot of nerve saying is all liberal democrats when many of this country's issues were brought on by hypocritical republicans.

Dang man, I don't think anyone here with half a heart doesn't think this is a terrible tragedy!! Those families and that whole community is in my prayers and I'm sure on the hearts and prayers of many others here. There is another thread about the recent school shooting too where members have expressed their condolences and also discussed what it might mean to us in terms of gun rights (since this is a gun forum). It is also no secret that many members here are conservative (or libertarian) right leaning... and gun enthusiasts (since this is a gun forum). Often discussion includes how politics can affect our gun rights (since this is a gun forum), and "politics" often happens (as a knee jerk reaction) after tragic events because people always desire an answer as to how to "keep the event from happening again". I think we all agree that all hypocritical politicians have accounted for many of our countries problems over the years, but again, because this is a gun forum, the discussion usually focuses on the liberals gun control agenda.

Maybe you're reading something into some comments by other members, and maybe some of those comments can seem heartless, and maybe some of those comments are stupid, but lashing out at the members here doesn't help the situation.

[JFootin]

Guess they were there... huh? I have to say many people on this site have let their ass override there mouth. Also next time 6 and 7 year old kids get mass murdered worry a bit more about these poor kids and a bit less about losing your precious guns.

Some of you are true pathetic human beings and you have a lot of nerve saying is all liberal democrats when many of this country's issues were brought on by hypocritical republicans.

Recommended reading: "How To Win Friends and Influence People (http://erudition.mohit.tripod.com/_Influence_People.pdf)" by Dale Carnegie.

[chrish]

many people on this site have let their ass override there mouth

well you sure did...

...pretty offensive!

[LorenzoB]

JFootin, I was thinking of that book too.

[jocko]

tough call for sure.

he made the right call FOR HIM. At that particular time, he had no clear shot, IMO.

I think though he should have just shut up and gone home and let it be. To many he wil not get the hero badge this weekend..:israel:

[jocko]

well you sure did...

...pretty offensive!

10-4 on that.

No doubt we GUN OWNERS are simply not sympatheti to 5-7 year old kids getting killed. We are a heartless group, as most every thread posted about this shooting tells.

We need more members like Bulletbm. as every forum needs to have a *rick or two to keep us honest. Just sayin

[Tinman507]

Guess they were there... huh? I have to say many people on this site have let their ass override there mouth. Also next time 6 and 7 year old kids get mass murdered worry a bit more about these poor kids and a bit less about losing your precious guns.

Some of you are true pathetic human beings and you have a lot of nerve saying is all liberal democrats when many of this country's issues were brought on by hypocritical republicans.

Sir, let's do the math on this:

This is a gun forum. We discuss things about guns. Demographically, the majority of us are similar, meaning, we're mostly conservative, we're predominantly male, most of us are over 40 and many of us are dads.

The tragedy in Newtown, CT affects all of us but in particular those of us with kids. None of us can imagine having to bury our children. None of us can imagine the horror and terror those poor little babies experienced. We're all as bewildered as you are by this horrible act of a madman.

Dads fix stuff. It's in our job description. We look for solutions. This is why most of us choose to own and carry firearms. We look for ways to fix a deranged world where threats to our families surround us.

To say that many are putting their asses before their mouths is a gross insult. I can understand your hurt and confusion by this terrible thing, but please don't accuse anyone here if being heartless.

I'd sure appreciate a retraction or at least an apology. If you can't bring yourself to do that, I'd sure appreciate you finding another forum more to your liking and temperament.

[knkali]

Guess they were there... huh? I have to say many people on this site have let their ass override there mouth. Also next time 6 and 7 year old kids get mass murdered worry a bit more about these poor kids and a bit less about losing your precious guns.

Some of you are true pathetic human beings and you have a lot of nerve saying is all liberal democrats when many of this country's issues were brought on by hypocritical republicans.


One was there. I want 50 ccws there. I want it so when an A Hole tries something like this, he is surrounded after the first round goes off. However, there is no question that the liberals will be the ones that will be crying out for all people to be disarmed. That is a fact that cannot be denied. If you are of liberal mind but think civilians should be armed, then you are a minority in the liberal world and an individual that I would want to hear more from on this forum. Gun supporting liberals, IMHO, would add welcomed counter thoughts to an overwhelming conservative slant of this BB. However, claiming that the membership of this board is insensitive to the slaughtered is the furthest thing from the truth. I hope you reconsider that sentiment and retract that statement.

[muggsy]

Bulletbm, please feel free to consider me a heartless S.O.B. Is it OK for me to consider you to be brainless?

[chrish]

<self censored>

[Double3]

I'd say liberals have changed the culture of this country to where there is little regard for human life.

Look at movies, tv shows, and video games. What side is very big in that?

[Bawanna]

I think Tinman and Knkali were spot on with their responses.

One thing for certain is there will never be a shortage of wack jobs wanting to do this sort of thing. So you either prepare to deal with them quickly and efficiently to stop them or you play sheep.
The anti's would have metal detectors and bans and take away anything that can harm another but there will still be wack jobs intent on harming others for who knows what reason.

There will never be a shortage of anti's/liberals either although that would certainly be a dream come true.

They accuse us of being heartless and unsympathetic but the first reactions are always from the libs for more gun control. Obummer with the chopped onion to create tears, he'll use this to circumvent the constitution and do some real liberal magic by executive order.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if they were not behind the whole deal to create fuel for their insane agenda.

[jocko]

ur all cuttng this *rick more slack than he deserves. IMO. Just sayin

an apology would not make me satisifced. Now an apology for being such an insensitve a$$hole might get the dialogue going better.

[LorenzoB]

Yea, it's a bummer, but, I was giving him the benefit if the doubt, thinking he would apologize for lashing out under the circumstances... Who knows, one of those kids could have been his.

This is not Glocktalk and this "off the cuff" rude response is NOT normal banter and will not be tolerated by the members here.

[Barth]

10-4 on that.

No doubt we GUN OWNERS are simply not sympatheti to 5-7 year old kids getting killed. We are a heartless group, as most every thread posted about this shooting tells.

We need more members like Bulletbm. as every forum needs to have a *rick or two to keep us honest. Just sayin

LOL!
I'm freaking speechless.
There do these people come from?
Not even a flicker of common sense?

I propose we implement a common sense test for forum membership.

With the recent school shooting;
If I was a teacher these days I'd be lobbing for concealed carry at work.
At least the teacher would have had a chance.
And maybe saved some kids in the process.

It's already illegal to have a gun on school property.
And illegal to shoot anybody.
Those laws are so enforceable.
I feel so protected.
We clearly need more laws!
Please disarm me and remove more personal rights so I can feel safer.

[Chief Joseph]

Guess they were there... huh? I have to say many people on this site have let their ass override there mouth. Also next time 6 and 7 year old kids get mass murdered worry a bit more about these poor kids and a bit less about losing your precious guns.

Some of you are true pathetic human beings and you have a lot of nerve saying is all liberal democrats when many of this country's issues were brought on by hypocritical republicans.

It's truly unfortunate you choose to keep yourself an ignorant retard. Our "precious guns" are what allow us to PROTECT our children. Just as in the mall shooting here, a concealed carrier with a gun made an impact and saved lives and was purposely left out of practically ALL the media reporting. And that's because of YOUR democrat pathetic sub humans desire to hide the TRUTH. These kids are victims of democrat progressive anti self defense. Shootings happen where gunmen feel safe from being shot themselves. I guess it doesn't offend you when sub human democrats can't even wait for the bodies to cool or "worry about these poor kids" before starting their anti gun crap. While you may think "some" of us are pathetic, ALL of your side is truly pathetic sub humans.
And all of this countries problems are brought on by your socialist democRATS, their voters are just too stupid to realize it.

[Chief Joseph]

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/washingtons-school-security-failure

Sad thing is, people like bulletbm will read this story and his brain will reorganize the title
to Republicans and Congress. Their brains will not process obamas or democrats name next to any of the slimy things they've done.

[Bawanna]

Guess they were there... huh? I have to say many people on this site have let their ass override there mouth. Also next time 6 and 7 year old kids get mass murdered worry a bit more about these poor kids and a bit less about losing your precious guns.

Some of you are true pathetic human beings and you have a lot of nerve saying is all liberal democrats when many of this country's issues were brought on by hypocritical republicans.

While I respect ones right to say stupid **** like this I tried with all my might to just let it go but I find it so offensive to me that I can't get it out of my head.
To my recollection this is the first time for me in the internet where I would really love to meet in person to give you the *** whooping you desperately need and deserve. It's like a kick in the gut to me for you to say what you said.

My first thought was to just delete your drivel and you as well but that wouldn't be fair. We're open minded and open to suggestions. If you ever come up with a good one please try again.
Generally I think I'm better than this but I took your post so personally that I just can't help myself. There's definitely pathetic amongst us but it isn't me and it isn't the rest of the members of this forum

Next to the immediate families I don't think there's anyone anywhere more upset about this tragic event than myself and 99.7 % of the members of this forum.

While we're very concerned about damage control to our gun rights, your side is going full speed ahead using this tragic event to fuel their thoughtless desires to induce more controls in our abilities to protect ourselves, to collect, to enjoy the passion for firearms that we have.

That has nothing to do with feeling regarding this tragic event.

[EZ Land]

I would gladly turn in any gun I owned, IF, and only IF, I thought that would prevent further atrocities. The sad fact is, it won't. I'm certainly open to any options prevent or lessen these tragedies. It's a very complicated and multi-faceted issue. Mental Health, erosion of morals, lack of strong parental figures, a society that glorifies killing in games; zombies, call of duty, etc. The non stop violence we see in movies. Whether we like it or not, all of these things have helped desensitize us and our children to violence.

When I was about 6 years old, my daddy showed me his little .25 cal semiauto. He told me where he kept it and that I was never to touch it unless I asked him first. I had the utmost fear and respect for my dad. I was never tempted. He took the mystery away of a gun and I feared it enough to never go against his demands. Sadly, we have deteriorated our society and our children, as a whole, don't have the fear and respect for life and firearms.
I don't have the answers, but giving up our guns isn't going to change much of anything. My $0.02, anyway.

[Barth]

I would gladly turn in any gun I owned, IF, and only IF, I thought that would prevent further atrocities. The sad fact is, it won't. I'm certainly open to any options prevent or lessen these tragedies. It's a very complicated and multi-faceted issue. Mental Health, erosion of morals, lack of strong parental figures, a society that glorifies killing in games; zombies, call of duty, etc. The non stop violence we see in movies. Whether we like it or not, all of these things have helped desensitize us and our children to violence.

When I was about 6 years old, my daddy showed me his little .25 cal semiauto. He told me where he kept it and that I was never to touch it unless I asked him first. I had the utmost fear and respect for my dad. I was never tempted. He took the mystery away of a gun and I feared it enough to never go against his demands. Sadly, we have deteriorated our society and our children, as a whole, don't have the fear and respect for life and firearms.
I don't have the answers, but giving up our guns isn't going to change much of anything. My $0.02, anyway.

+1
It's all about terror.
So ski masks and assault rifles seem like standard fare.
But the school kid killer drove his mom's car to the school.
Even without firearms of any kind he could have easily waited for recess.
Then drove the car through the fence, onto the play yard, and...

Sadly the latest horrific events were premeditated by
intelligent individuals in an information age.

Killing people is very easy.
It always has been.

[JustinN]

While I respect ones right to say stupid **** like this I tried with all my might to just let it go but I find it so offensive to me that I can't get it out of my head.
To my recollection this is the first time for me in the internet where I would really love to meet in person to give you the *** whooping you desperately need and deserve. It's like a kick in the gut to me for you to say what you said.

My first thought was to just delete your drivel and you as well but that wouldn't be fair. We're open minded and open to suggestions.

Bwanna was too nice, probably soft in the face of this tragedy. That idiot (bulletbm) is part of the problem of is gone from the forum. Please let me know if he shows back up in any form. He obviously chooses the "pointing the blame route" of grief and is trying to find a good explanation or reason beyond what happens beyond "Evil exists in this world". He would prefer to pretend it doesn't and let the government blindly lead him, telling him it will be ok and they will prevent this from happening again. They can't and won't...it may not be a gun that does it, but maybe next time a knife, or a hammer, or a truck full of fertilizer, or poison gas, or etc etc etc. Guns are always the easy target, but for BulletBM to come on here and point any sort of blame towards anyone on this forum, all of which have been deeply saddened and hurt by this event, just proves what kind of "BM" he really is.

[Bawanna]

Thank you Justin.

[jocko]

Humm: Fertilzer or sumpin like that, was that not what Ti McVeigh used to bomb the mURRAH BUILDING, iN oIKLAHOME CITY. 168 DIED THAT DAY, 18 CHILDREN, NOT A ROUND WAS FIRED. I was outside the prison in Terre Haute, the day they put the fokker to deeath. One of the happiest days for me to.

Yes Justin, U did the right thing, we need u here more often, we have a few other &pricks here waiting in the wings. Again thank you.

A point I would like to make and not being sarcastic about it is. A week after the bombing in Olahoma City, it was again "party" time for America. How soon we do forget. We morun and then we move on, that is part of life.

We probalby have lost count of the drunk drivers that kill every year, ur still dead, just not as symbolic as the Sandy tradegy.

[mr surveyor]

and I thought "bulletbm" was just another way to say rectalrocket or buttbullet. Then again, I don't want to insult suppositories.

If we don't get a handle on the soul of America, both collectively and individually... and do it real soon.... we're done.

May be somthing to that silly Mayan thing after all...:rolleyes: