+1 problems?

[el_presidente]

I posed this question in my first range report but it's worth it's own thread: Do you carry +1?

[MW surveyor]

Can't really vote in this one but I carry my CW9 +1 with no problems.

[forestranger]

CM9 (and CW9) carried +1 with no problems. When I was chronographing/wetpack/accuracy/reliabilty testing JHPs in both guns, it was all done with +1.

[AC7880]

I posted this in the other 7 round mag thread as well.

Here is my "guess" on why some people have a problem:

From what I have read, if you grip too tightly right on the extended 7 round mag, it rocks the mag slightly, making feeding unreliable.

I have been using Kahr K9 7 round mags in the CM9 with success. The 7 round mags from P9, CW9, K9 are slender where the pinky finger touches, unlike the extended mag version for PM9/CM9.

My conjecture is that a slim 7 round mag is less likely to tip with the grip of the hand, then the extended "fat" mag extension designed for the 7 round CM/PM magazine.

[Rubb]

Always test as you carry..

[muggsy]

The PM/CM9 was designed to be carried +1. Why would I carry it any other way?

[jocko]

could he be talkin about the 7 round mag as being +1??/ indeed one not in the pipe is a rock, nothing more.

[JLeephoto]

I always carry +1. Only time I've ever had a problem was either trying to slingshot that first round with a new gun, or "press checking" the round in the chamber. For the first few hundred rounds, the slide release needs to be used to load that first round.
Press checking seems to cause the next round in the magazine to inch forward and can result in a misfeed. But, if you always keep a round in the chamber, there's no need to press check.

[JLeephoto]

On the other hand, if you're talking about using the 7-round magazine. I don't trust it, and don't carry with it.

[Bawanna]

I've always interpreted +1 as filling the magazine, loading the chamber, then removing the magazine and replacing the round that just went into the chamber.

That's generally how I carry all that will function reliably in such a fashion.

[jocko]

indeed ol wise one!!! Just sayin.

no wonder ur the colonel and I am still the private.

[Tinman507]

Many Law Enforcement Officers carry +1

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[TheTman]

My CW40 will shoot all day long from the +1 mag. My CW45 on the other hand would jam (Nosedive mostly) on every round until the last 4 or 3 in the mag. So I sold the CW45 and was going to get a different one, until I heard about the CM45 coming out. I think I'll try that. I wonder if it will work with the 7 round mags? Be a big hanging out the bottom, but would be nice for a spare mag on my belt.

[JustinN]

IMO all guns should function loaded as +1. If you are in a shooting situation, fire 4 rounds, and want to go ahead and reload to a full mag instead of shooting until you're dry, you're in a plus 1. IMO all guns should handle that, and I don't believe I've ever handled a gun that wouldn't.

[Nimrod]

I always carry +1. I wouldn't carry any other way.

I have ran across a couple of individuals who carry by just putting the gun in their waist without a holster. They carry without a round in the chamber to prevent shooting theirselves. My advice to them was to get a holster and carry with one in the chamber. If they ever need their gun they probably won't have time to rack the slide.

[AIRret]

I carry all my guns with +1

[Popeye]

Always +1 in ever gun I own.

[JohnR]

I've never heard of a semiauto loaded to magazine capacity plus one, that didn't function properly. Testing that is the same as any reliability test of the gun as a whole.

[gm412]

Always +1

[el_presidente]

I've always interpreted +1 as filling the magazine, loading the chamber, then removing the magazine and replacing the round that just went into the chamber.

That's generally how I carry all that will function reliably in such a fashion.

Yup, that's what I was driving at.

I never thought about it as possibly being an issue until I heard somebody on some forum at some point bring it up. Since then I've always tested my guns to see if it'd be an issue.

[deputy tom]

Always +1 in ever gun I own.


^^ This. tom.:D

[cmichael22]

My PM40 jams if I load more than 4 bullets.

[Short Bus]

Can't really vote in this one but I carry my CW9 +1 with no problems.
I agree, but with my P9. I can see it now, "Just wait a second Mr. Bad Guy, I need to rack my gun" :rolleyes:

[ESAFO]

everything i own is fully loaded to it's capacity & ready to enjoy...
even after sitting for awhile fully stocked, when i get to my range they function perfect.

[rkirk]

Always carry +1 in the CW9 and CM9 -- great pistols! Flawless operation.

-- Richard

[hardluk1]

I have a cw9 along with the cm9 and an extra 8 shot mag. Both run fine in my cm9 and the 8 shot mag works well in the cw9. So I carry the mags that came with the pistols but the 8 round mag is allways the back up.

[janderson021]

yep, when my CM9 leaves the house, it's in my pocket and there's one in the pipe and a full 6 round mag locked in.

[Mechatricity]

Always carry 6+1 in my CM9, so typically my first mag at the range is that. never had any issues.

[SickMAK90]

On the other hand, if you're talking about using the 7-round magazine. I don't trust it, and don't carry with it.

I'm glad I started researching the 7 round mags...looks like a lot of people have issues with them. I had two 7 rounders on order and quickly canceled it and changed them to 6 rounders.

[KCAutoBob]

Just bought and 'vetted' my PM9, now I'm waiting for my IWB holster. I will carry it +1, as have I carried all my concealed carry weapons, except for my S&W 642, which I would have if I could have... :rolleyes: You know, figure out a way to put that extra round in...
By the way, when I bought my PM9, I sold the 642 .

[ESAFO]

I'm glad I started researching the 7 round mags...looks like a lot of people have issues with them. I had two 7 rounders on order and quickly canceled it and changed them to 6 rounders.
are'nt you glad you talked yourself out of doing that?? :D

[SickMAK90]

are'nt you glad you talked yourself out of doing that?? :D

I ended up buying one 7 rounder, and it runs fine. I even tried to make it malfunction by squeezing it tight. No issues at all, but I'm not real fond of the plastic baseplate.

[ESAFO]

I ended up buying one 7 rounder, and it runs fine. I even tried to make it malfunction by squeezing it tight. No issues at all, but I'm not real fond of the plastic baseplate.
we know it all boiles down to the bottom line & how they can make the most profit.
glad it's working well for you & there are a few of us that have'nt had the problems that have been discussed.

[CJB]

Carrying means, you've got a round in the chamber ready to go. Anything else is only "transporting", as far as I'm concerned.

I always use the 6 round may, not from concerns of reliability - mine is reliable - but because I want the pistol to be as small as possible.

[Yogi 117]

CM9, G26, G30 & 1911 Commander all are carried with full mag +1. No other way IMHO! :D

[krazman]

Not criticizing...

News story earlier in the week about a guy and his wife out to dinner in Lenexa Kansas (outside Kansas City). Guy has a Concealed Carry License and has his gun in his front pocket. Reaches into his pocket for something and the gun discharges striking his wife in the leg.

At best, he will absolutely loose his CCL.:eek: At worst, his wife will Bobbittize him when she recovers.

Moral: If you're gonna carry +1 in your pocket, put a holster on it!

kraz

[Short Bus]

Not criticizing...

News story earlier in the week about a guy and his wife out to dinner in Lenexa Kansas (outside Kansas City). Guy has a Concealed Carry License and has his gun in his front pocket. Reaches into his pocket for something and the gun discharges striking his wife in the leg.

At best, he will absolutely loose his CCL.:eek: At worst, his wife will Bobbittize him when she recovers.

Moral: If you're gonna carry +1 in your pocket, put a holster on it!

kraz
I agree 100%, a good holster needs to be a part of your system.

[CJB]

Not criticizing...

News story earlier in the week about a guy and his wife out to dinner in Lenexa Kansas (outside Kansas City). Guy has a Concealed Carry License and has his gun in his front pocket. Reaches into his pocket for something and the gun discharges striking his wife in the leg.

At best, he will absolutely loose his CCL.:eek: At worst, his wife will Bobbittize him when she recovers.

Moral: If you're gonna carry +1 in your pocket, put a holster on it!

kraz

Now this is a totally bullcrap situation. The guy deserves losing is CWP - but not for reasons stated.

A lot of pistols are not to be carried in the pocket alone. I'd never do it with any Glock or most striker fired pistols. I feel ok with the Kahr, because of the very long, very deliberate trigger pull required. I'd also feel ok with an external hammer single action pistol - like a Colt Mustang or SIG P238 - just riding in my pocket.

The real clincher... for the idiot who poked a hole in his ol' lady's leg, is WTF was he putting anything else in his pocket along with the pistol. Total poo-for-brains there. I can see keys, moneyclip, coins, etc... all totally screwing with ANY pistol.

[sas PM9]

I've always interpreted +1 as filling the magazine, loading the chamber, then removing the magazine and replacing the round that just went into the chamber.

That's generally how I carry all that will function reliably in such a fashion.



/\ /\ /\ What he said.

-steve

[jimsea]

I ended up buying one 7 rounder, and it runs fine. I even tried to make it malfunction by squeezing it tight. No issues at all, but I'm not real fond of the plastic baseplate.

Just a suggestion as I don't like the fat plastic baseplate either. You can still put it to good use. Put the standard supplied metal baseplate from a six rounder onto the 7 rounder. Then cut down and sand the fat plastic shoe from the 7 rounder until it fits on the 6 round mag foot. Looks good and covers the gap for a nice tight fit.

[wyntrout]

I like the 7-rounders for my .40 and .45. I just got two more of each from Ivanhoe... made a thread about how fast the order was serviced.

If you believe everything you read on the Internet and this Forum, you're liable to make some bad decisions based on BAD information. I only use 7-round 9mm mags in the K9 and P9. I only use the 6-round metal-based magazine for CCW in the PM9. I use the 8-round extended-grip magazines in ALL of my 9mm Kahrs, and for carry reloads for ALL. I have 7 or 8 of the 8-round extended grip mags for 9mm and they work just fine in all of my 9mm Kahrs. I use them a lot at the range and for defensive reloads at home, as well as carry reloads.

Likewise, I use the 7-round extended grip mags for .380, .40, and .45 Kahrs. They work fine and give me the maximum capacity for carry or range use. I use the flushest based mags for carry in the the pistol, though, for maximum concealability.

I HAVE TESTED ALL of the mags and have faith in them being reliable. That should be the case with everything you use for defense. Your life could depend on them working!!

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

I HAVE had problems with +1 use of magazines in my 1911 Champion. I ordered a bunch of Check Mate magazines from Top Gun. The plastic based ones were ok... SS 8-rounders. The flush-fitting SS steel-based ones would NOT seat with 8 rounds when the slide was in battery! It was POSSIBLE to do so, but took an exaggerated attempt with both hands to get the magazine seated when full. I was so glad to discover this before I found a problem in a defense situation. You have to train and practice with your equipment... all of it. I think that there are a lot of dumb ma$$es out there who buy weapons, load them up and think they're good to go... all prepped for anything! They might not have a functional gun, magazine, or the ammo may not feed. We've all seen this on this forum!

Wynn:)

[ntroglin]

Just got a PM9 last week. When you guys are putting in the +1, are you doing it from the mag or putting it straight into the gun? Kahr manual states not to do this because it could damage the gun. I have never heard of this before with other guns.