Accidental trigger pull with holster

[triangulum33]

I'm working on getting my CCW in Calfornia for my MK9. While shopping for IWB holsters, I started wondering:
Is there any risk of accidental discharge when holstering the weapon due to the trigger catching on clothing or part of the holster?


Thanks,
Chris

[Short Bus]

I've never heard of anything like that. How soon do you need the holster?

If you need it quick look at the Foxx Trapp

http://foxxholsters.onlybusiness.com/onlinecatalog/Kydex__Trapp__Holster-list.aspx

If you have time (a couple months) a lot of members here like the PJ

http://pjholster.com/?page_id=27

[triangulum33]

Thanks I'll check those out.
Seems like the Mitch Rosen Clipper are well thought of as well.

[ripley16]

IMHO, the highest probability of an accident occurs during holstering. Usually this is due to the user negligently leaving a finger inside the trigger guard. Most holsters are made of fairly stiff material that resists folding. Once a holster is used enough to become floppy, it is time to retire that holster.

One should practice holstering and become conscientious about safely when doing so. I keep all four fingers straight when I holster a pistol, using my fingertips to feel for and unuaual obstructions and as a guide into the holster.

[Tinman507]

Reholstering is not something that should be done absentmindedly or goofing around. It's serious business and you need to be focused while doing it.

All the more reason for a Kydex holster. It won't ever close on you.

[Bill K]

Small probability. Enormous "risk" [probability factored with worst consequences].

[PYROhafe]

Holstering a loaded firearm can be dangerous. Like Tinman said (I can't believe he got something right) It should be taken seriously. Even "well trained" people have managed to discharge a firearm while reholstering if they let themselves become distracted. As long as you pay attention, watch what you're doing, and make sure you don't feel any obstructions or resistance while holstering, then you will be fine. Well unless you got one of those funny guns the media talks about that just goes off and shoots you in the leg or butt.

O... just noticed you're new!
WELCOME TO THE FORUM!! Lots of great info around, and always someone willing to help with any question you might have. Not sure if anyones pointed you toward it yet or not, but the new member area has some great info. Definantly check out the lube chart, and the proper prep of a new kahr.

[Tinman507]

Like Tinman said (I can't believe he got something right)

Holy smokes, don't let my wife hear you say that.

[JFootin]

The trigger guard is designed to guard the trigger from being caught by anything. Additionally, the Kahr triggers have that long double action pull before the striker block is released and the gun can fire. They are very safe handling guns. A holster won't have anything that will catch the trigger when holstering. If you carry in a pocket, there should be nothing else in that pocket except a pocket holster and the gun. Consciousness of safety and serious attention should be practiced at all times with a loaded gun. As was said, the main cause of ADs is a finger on the trigger when it shouldn't be. You see these mall ninjas in pictures and videos on the internet all the time, brandishing a loaded weapon with their trigger fingers on the trigger! No, no, NO! The finger should never be on the trigger unless the gun is pointed at a chosen target and you intend to shoot.

[kgturner]

I was always nervous during reholstering as well. Didn't wanna blow a .45 hollow point down my ass or into my calf. I got in the BAD habit of putting my finger behind the trigger while reholstering. Probably should stop doing that....

Kevin T

[jocko]

Holy smokes, don't let my wife hear you say that.

u will never hear that from ol jocko. just sayin

[downtownv]

This is why NYPD made the Cops get rid of their K-9's because of "Accidental Discharges" from poor attention paid to this exact situation, un-holstering and re-holstering their weapons. As usual it's "The guns fault"

[ripley16]

This is why NYPD made the Cops get rid of their K-9's because of "Accidental Discharges" from poor attention paid to this exact situation, un-holstering and re-holstering their weapons. As usual it's "The guns fault"

I think that is incorrect. The reason given for dropping the K9 was the trigger pull not meeting the requirements of the NYPD, not "Accidental Discharges".

[bulletnose]

:confused:
I have always been taught that the ONLY time you put your
trigger finger on the trigger is when you are ready to fire! Holstering is
not ready to fire!
;)

[TheTman]

Seems like about a year ago, there was a post about a negligent discharge while reholstering a pistol, seem like the holster had folded a bit, so that it caught the trigger. When I reholster, depending which holster I am using, I either take the holster out, insert the pistol, then put my holster back on. Otherwise, I usually have a finger alongside the trigger as I reholster so I can feel if it moves any.

[XD40SC]

Great advice posted here already, but I'll add that the speed in which you re-holster can cause a ND. At FS we were trained to come out of the holster fast and go back into the holster VERY slowly. You shouldn't be in a hurry to re-holster and if you are, I'm hoping you're performing at a Wild West Show and just finished twirling your 6 shooter (empty) showing off for the kids. As mentioned, during the re-holster, if you feel any obstruction during the process, STOP and figure out what the problem is, shirt caught by the muzzle, or worse yet in the trigger guard. I see guys all the time on Youtube shooting a demo and reholstering almost as fast as they came out and wondering when they'd have the time to feel something wasn't right. My .02. Welcome to the board.

[muggsy]

I got used to twirling my guns before holstering old west style. That's why my friends call me Gimpy. :)

[LorenzoB]

I got used to twirling my guns before holstering old west style. That's why my friends call me Gimpy. :)

That always works best if you blow the smoke off the barrel first. If you forget that step, you could get an accidental discharge during the twirl.

[JFootin]

Finger strait along the frame above the trigger opening.

[Cyterio]

I also practice the bad habit of placing my finger behind the trigger on my MK9 when reholstering.

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[downtownv]

I think that is incorrect. The reason given for dropping the K9 was the trigger pull not meeting the requirements of the NYPD, not "Accidental Discharges".

Hey that's what the NYPD Police officer told me was why he (They) had to sell it (Luckily, to me) something like 32 "accidental discharges"

[downtownv]

or like this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7ufT_6Kgy0

[JLeephoto]

There's NEVER any reason to re-holster in a hurry. Most accidental discharges occur when cleaning the weapon, the second most, when re-holstering. It's is highly doubtful with a Kahr's looong trigger, that you could catch it on something re-holster. Most of the time that people claim a gun went off while reholstering is because they still had their finger on the bang stick. You should always practice at home with a dry gun, running all operations at 1/4 speed both to re-assure yourself and to get in the habit of keeping that finger outside the trigger guard except when actually shooting.
I've taught a lot of friends and family and I tell them up front not to get offended, because I'm going to tell them to get that finger off the trigger 50 times during the course of a training session. For some reason, it's just second nature to put your finger inside that trigger guard, but you have to train yourself out of that completely. Until you have, don't lock and load.

[DubDubU]

I did see a warning about the plastic or wooden balls used on the draw strings at the waist of some jackets or windbreakers hanging down and getting snagged on the trigger when re holstering.

I cannot recall where i heard this as it has been a while ago.

[jocko]

I don';t know how most put a gun bck in their pocket holster. I carry 24/7 my PM9 in a desantis pocket holster and if i draw the gun for any reason, not necessarily in anger but just drawing it to do it. When I return it to my pocket the desantis holster comes out of my pocket the PM9 goes in the desantis and then and then ony is it reinstered back in my pocket. The triggeris never exposed to anything that might even think of catching. Its not rocket scikence to use common sense.. IMO a front pcket carry is never a fast draw carry, so use ur head when puttingit backin that area..

[bulletnose]

Finger strait along the frame above the trigger opening.

This is exactly what I meant in my previous post. This can even help improve your aim. I know, I know, it's 'finger pointing', but in this case
it doe's help!!
:D

[triangulum33]

Thanks for all the feedback and the warm welcome.
I put in an order for a Foxx Trapp and will be practicing draw/holstering for sure.
I enjoy shooting the MK9, although I have had a couple jams in the ~200 rounds I've shot. Steel casings?

Off topic: Can I store it "cocked" with a round in the chamber? The manual said to unload it and dry fire.

[AIRret]

I did see a warning about the plastic or wooden balls used on the draw strings at the waist of some jackets or windbreakers hanging down and getting snagged on the trigger when re holstering.

I cannot recall where i heard this as it has been a while ago.

Last week I took a weapons retention class and the instructor said that most of the police AD's are a result of the wooden/plastic drawstring balls getting caught in the trigger during re holstering. This instructor is a detective, a weapons retention instructor, and defensive tactics instructor for the police academy. Plus he was in special forces while he was in the marines.
To say the least it was a great class

[JLeephoto]

Yes, you can keep it loaded as long as it is secure from untrained hands. That's your call. I never have to check because I know all my guns are loaded which is the way we should treat them all anyway.

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[SickMAK90]

I prefer plastic, or kydex holsters because they retain their shape very well. This will minimize the risk of an accidental discharge while registering. Leather will eventually get soft, and possibly turn inward, and it could possibly end up getting caught on the trigger.

None of my pistols, except my luger, have a safety. So I am always very careful when I am re-holstering.

[340pd]

A recent ND in my neck of the woods. Officer is holstering his Glock and the plastic toggle that allows rain gear to be tightened around the waist, got into the trigger guard during a re-holster and BOOM. Officer incurred a relatively minor wound and some dirty underwear.

[jeepster09]

or like this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7ufT_6Kgy0


There is only one explanation.......see below:

[Bongo Boy]

I did see a warning about the plastic or wooden balls used on the draw strings at the waist of some jackets or windbreakers hanging down and getting snagged on the trigger when re holstering.

I cannot recall where i heard this as it has been a while ago.

This was the scenario I heard actually happened at an IDPA match to a female shooter, and as the story goes she was rather experienced. Drawstring on a hoodie, I believe. This is a story I was told, I have no idea if it actually happened or not.

There's a YouTube 'training' video given by some guy--and that's the only aspect of his training I take exception to: rapid reholstering. He's not advocating it or suggesting it's part of good practice, it's simply a habithe's apparently developed.

It's a bad habit IMO, and there's two reasons, really. The first is that it is a very high risk maneuver where speed is the enemy and there's seldom any need for it, and the second is that you probably are recovering to the holster before you actually know there isn't any threat.

As I was taught in defensive pistol, you are unlikely to know if you've even hit or stopped your threat immediately and should be ready to fire on the threat immediately should you determine you didn't stop it. There's always time to recover later. And, you're probably making a mistake in assuming the threat you fired on is the ONLY threat...so you need to be checking your 6 (and everywhere else) for 1 or more other threats. Best to have the gun at a close ready position, at the very least, while you do that.

I've never had to recover to the holster without being able to watch that thing go in. The only thing I wear with drawstrings are my jammies.

[Gangplank]

I've never heard of anything like that. How soon do you need the holster?

If you need it quick look at the Foxx Trapp

http://foxxholsters.onlybusiness.com/onlinecatalog/Kydex__Trapp__Holster-list.aspx

If you have time (a couple months) a lot of members here like the PJ

http://pjholster.com/?page_id=27

I like both of those. Will have to investigate more.... :)

[headshrink]

I agree that reholstering in a IWB holster is more likely to AD than OWB. However, I don't know of a case specifically. I'm always extra careful with any reholstering, but for IWB I'm extra, EXTRA careful.

FYI: My IWB rig of choice is the Comp-Tac Minotaur MTAC. Here's a link: http://www.comp-tac.com/product_info.php?products_id=95&osCsid=vbg3ohjqg9m7dl3c76koaehnf0

I bought one for my MK40 first, and loved it so much that I ordered another for my full sized XD. I wasn't able to carry my XD very often prior to the MTAC , but this thing made a HUGE difference. I HIGHLY recommend it.

[68blackbird]

I was always nervous during reholstering as well. Didn't wanna blow a .45 hollow point down my ass or into my calf. I got in the BAD habit of putting my finger behind the trigger while reholstering. Probably should stop doing that....

Kevin T

Agreed....don't want that finger anywhere near the trigger when reholstering...