The "Mental Illness" Discussion

[mr surveyor]

I contend that mental illness is NOT in and of itself the issue we should concentrate on as a society. It's EVIL that we need to restrain. In my opinion, mental illness/handicap does not automatically make an individual do harm to others, nor does it make them prone to commit any acts of violence. Certainly there are those that should not be allowed to play with guns, matches, rat poison or mamma's car, but that's no different than children and quite a few irresponsible adults.

I think all this talk of mental illness is nothing but secular jibberish, avoiding the true issue. And now we have researchers digging into dna to find the clue to this madness? I say look no farther than one's heart and soul. We need a new awakening...soon.

just my opinions

surv

[AJBert]

I say look no farther than one's heart and soul. We need a new awakening...soon.
surv
Just curious, and by no means meaning to bash you, but how does one, let alone a gov't, accomplish this?

[muggsy]

I've been accused of being half a bubble off and I play with guns all of the time. :)

[JFootin]

Just curious, and by no means meaning to bash you, but how does one, let alone a gov't, accomplish this?

I don't think he is saying this is something the government can accomplish. He is talking about a good old fashioned Christian revival. I agree. We are way, way overdue for a revival.

[CPO15]

The Community Mental system is based on the principle of "least restrictive alternative" and, in my experiences in Virginia at least, persons may be temporarily committed for evaluation/treatment only if they "present a danger to self or others." Great for individual rights, not so good for public safety. Expressing a threat to a family member, co-worker, etc. is not enough: the threat must be expressed during an outpatient evaluation to a mental health professional ( or, in some cases, a cop) anything else is just hearsay.

I don't know how we can identify those who are only "half a bubble off" from the dangerous wackos until they actually show their hand. And I don't think we'll learn how to do that from politicians or the media, not in the current atmosphere.

[knkali]

The Community Mental system is based on the principle of "least restrictive alternative" and, in my experiences in Virginia at least, persons may be temporarily committed for evaluation/treatment only if they "present a danger to self or others." Great for individual rights, not so good for public safety. Expressing a threat to a family member, co-worker, etc. is not enough: the threat must be expressed during an outpatient evaluation to a mental health professional ( or, in some cases, a cop) anything else is just hearsay.

I don't know how we can identify those who are only "half a bubble off" from the dangerous wackos until they actually show their hand. And I don't think we'll learn how to do that from politicians or the media, not in the current atmosphere.

Yes it is a slippery slope too and the finger pointing of who is what can be as dangerous if not more dangerous than the wack jobs that do show their hand. Just as we do not want over reaction to this violence regarding guns we do not want to over react to labeling who is unstable or of diminished capacity either.

[Bawanna]

Damn my ears are burning, it's like your singling me out here. I'm ok really, slightly diminished perhaps but ok ya know?

[knkali]

Damn my ears are burning, it's like your singling me out here. I'm ok really, slightly diminished perhaps but ok ya know?

Many of us are with you so dont feel alone

[yqtszhj]

I contend that mental illness is NOT in and of itself the issue we should concentrate on as a society. It's EVIL that we need to restrain. In my opinion, mental illness/handicap does not automatically make an individual do harm to others, nor does it make them prone to commit any acts of violence. Certainly there are those that should not be allowed to play with guns, matches, rat poison or mamma's car, but that's no different than children and quite a few irresponsible adults.

I think all this talk of mental illness is nothing but secular jibberish, avoiding the true issue. And now we have researchers digging into dna to find the clue to this madness? I say look no farther than one's heart and soul. We need a new awakening...soon.

just my opinions

surv

Exactly. I fear it's not going to happen though.

[chrish]

I agree completely, revival, how we raise our kids, general change in the country's outlook on and respect of life. Mental illness is not a science and a large portion of what is 'accepted' as mental illness these days is by no means scientific, proven, or even REAL. We know zilch about how the human brain works, but the academic side of psychiatry takes every opportunity to concoct another 'condition' that needs to be medicated and we pump people full of mind altering drugs instead of teaching the person how to cope w/ whatever is going on in their head and/or raise our children with the same skills. I have always contended chicken-and-the-egg w/ mental illness. Is it your inability to deal w/ life that causes a chemical imbalance, or the reverse. I contend it is the former, not the latter.

But yes, we need to stop blaming other stuff, guns, mental illness, movies, video games, etc. and look at how we raise our children, how we interact with others, and for those willing to reconsider and reconnect with God, do that too. Many will not choose that last one, and that's too bad, but 'wide is the road'. Just the way that's going to go down. You either got picked for the team, or you didn't. Not gonna question that decision by the Almighty. But in the mean time, the 'wide road' people can begin to at least behave civilly and return to being decent human beings and leave the rest of us alone.

[JohnR]

One of the Great Communist Goals was to define anyone who disagrees with Communism declared mentally ill. I would be careful playing their game. I agree good vs. evil is the more important discussion.

[jocko]

I've been accused of being half a bubble off and I play with guns all of the time. :)

half a bubble off, but this forum only see's the bubble part that is floating at the top, so ur good to go here.

I have returned many of levels due to the bubble not centering. The employess never had any issues with it but i did, I accused them of fokking with my mind. Was I right in that or should I apologize:popcorn:

Many years ago, I took a Rorshart ink blottler test, u know wher ethey show u a blotch of ink and ask you what u see, Well I always came back with some sexual conotation and after about 6 blot test. the tester siad, u know jocko, u have a filty mind. I said, heh fokker not me, ur the one showing me those nasty pictures.

I was escorted out and never got the job either. I wa s nterviewing for the janitors job in a girls gym .:popcorn:

[muggsy]

That's a hard act to follow Jocko, but to be serious for a moment, I don't see anything wrong with holding someone for a 24 to 48 hour evaluation, especially someone who verbalizes a threat to his own or public safety. Very few people go off the deep end without some provocation. If someone says that they are going to kill themselves, or someone else, we had better take that threat seriously.