New CW45 first 200 rounds

[Booker T]

After doing all the pre-range prep on it before Christmas, I finally had a chance to take my newest Kahr for a test drive.

Had 2 FTF. One at about round 80 and the other at about 148. Both happened about midway through the clip. Other than that, no issues. This was a break-in / functionality range trip and I was not too worried about accuracy. But this little monster shoots great. Shoots to point of aim consistently. When it doesn't, it's because my pointer is off target, not the gun. Sometimes I shake my head when I read reviews of a good firearm and people complain about it not being very accurate. I would venture to say that the cause is usually 90% operator error and not weapon related. I don't care if they say they can shoot some other gun deadly accurate, so it couldn't be them. Fact is some people just shoot some guns better than others. Not the gun's fault.

I shot 150 rounds from about 7yds, and 50 at about 15yds. It shot beautifully and accurately, when I did my part. Anticipation of recoil being the most common culprit of errant shots. Even though I'm missing just a little skin from the last knuckle of my shooting hand thumb, the recoil was not bad at all. I was smiling with each trigger pull. Just glad I had already put one of the rubber inner tube ghetto grips on it :) .

Now getting ready to strip, clean and lube it. I'll look for any internal carnage and let you know if I find anything out of the ordinary. I'm quite happy with the gun and not worried about the 2 FTF's at this point of the break-in process. Looking forward to more range time... Bk T

[Ikeo74]

Kahr pistols have become my favorite CC weapon of choice. I jusl love these guns.

CM9 and MK9: 1 for show and 1 to go! *(belt carry and concealed carry).

[Booker T]

Kahr pistols have become my favorite CC weapon of choice. I jusl love these guns.

CM9 and MK9: 1 for show and 1 to go! *(belt carry and concealed carry).


I can understand why! They are quickly becoming my favorite CCW as well Ikeo74.

I have a CM9 as well that is my every day carry. Love that thing. I'm a little jealous of your MK! The K's and MK's are just beautiful. Can't wait to get one some day.

[Booker T]

Well I stripped the gun down and inspected everything. All looked well, just kind of dirty, obviously. I began to think that maybe the 2 FTF might be more mag related, as I had to modify the follower to clear the mag release lever better, during my initial pre-range prep. I had left it kinda rough. So I trimmed it a little more with the dremmel and smoothed it up quite a bit and will see how she does next time.

[yqtszhj]

One other thing to check, make sure the feed lips are smooth as a baby's butt where the rounds contact them, not sharp. If their sharp smooth them out with some extra fine sandpaper.

the rounds should slide out really smooth with your thumb when you load the magazine and then push them out with your thumbs. They should not hang up at all.

[jocko]

After doing all the pre-range prep on it before Christmas, I finally had a chance to take my newest Kahr for a test drive.

Had 2 FTF. One at about round 80 and the other at about 148. Both happened about midway through the clip. Other than that, no issues. This was a break-in / functionality range trip and I was not too worried about accuracy. But this little monster shoots great. Shoots to point of aim consistently. When it doesn't, it's because my pointer is off target, not the gun. Sometimes I shake my head when I read reviews of a good firearm and people complain about it not being very accurate. I would venture to say that the cause is usually 90% operator error and not weapon related. I don't care if they say they can shoot some other gun deadly accurate, so it couldn't be them. Fact is some people just shoot some guns better than others. Not the gun's fault.

I shot 150 rounds from about 7yds, and 50 at about 15yds. It shot beautifully and accurately, when I did my part. Anticipation of recoil being the most common culprit of errant shots. Even though I'm missing just a little skin from the last knuckle of my shooting hand thumb, the recoil was not bad at all. I was smiling with each trigger pull. Just glad I had already put one of the rubber inner tube ghetto grips on it :) .

Now getting ready to strip, clean and lube it. I'll look for any internal carnage and let you know if I find anything out of the ordinary. I'm quite happy with the gun and not worried about the 2 FTF's at this point of the break-in process. Looking forward to more range time... Bk T

thatis alot of round sin one settingj. quite possably the shooter got alittle tired to and his grip changed a tad and then things happen. 2 timnes in 150 rounds IMO is not a gun fault--per say at round 80, that is alot of rounds. IMO if it was a reliability issue it shouldhave reared its head much earlier than that especially during breaking. try keeping ur sessions to 50-75 rounds and concentrate on ur grip andI think ur OK to go. One would be very hard pressed to be able to trouble shoot a gun with only 2 issues in 150 rounds.

We all love to shoot and the anticipation with a new gun says shoot until the cows come home to, but a shooter gets tired kand just jdoesn't realize it, as he is having fun, so IMO keep ur round count down or keep a good eye on ur grip andu will be OK. That being said if that follower is grabbing o so slightly, THEN FIX IT and eliminate that possability. It is an easy fix as u have already addressed it but maybe not enough..

[rago]

have been shooter error, they are quite the gun, i have a cw 40, now with round count unknown, for me that's a lot of shooting, and even now the more i shoot it the better it gets, love the gun and recommend them to everyone. the only problem is availability , they seem a little scarce :D

[Booker T]

Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it.

yqtszhj, thanks for the tip on that. I will definitely check that out.

jocko as always you speak from much experience and you may very well be right. That is a lot of rounds at one time, especially with a light .45 . When you love to shoot, it's just so bloody hard to stop! But hand fatigue can definitely be misunderstood as some kind of gun issue, so I hear you on that one, thanks. Just trying to get the rounds down range so I can break it in and get familiar with it. Eager to add it to my carry options :) .

rago I wouldn't discount shooter error at all. I have plenty of that! LoL
I really do love the gun and constantly looking forward to my next range visit. The darn ammo is kinda hard to find and expensive right now. Always glad to hear someone else who has had great experience with their Kahr. Appreciate it, man.

[jocko]

IMO, ur OK with the 45, just keep shootin it. The gun will even get smoother as you shoot rounds out of it. 500 rounds later, u will think u have a totally different 45, and then that is when it really strts to purr. I just do not think 2 ftf's in 150 rounds is a gun issues. I always stand corrected on this to.

There was a post here well over a year ago from what he thought himself as an accomplishedshooter and he washaving some issue with his 45 ftfs. etc. Some memvbers here said a possable shooter error. he rebuked, said, no kway I have been arounds guns allmy life, yadda yadda yadda. Someone here ask that he let anutter shooter try the gun to see if he could duplicate the issues.

A few days later this owner had the courage to step forward and admit that the new shootert had zero issues, nadda, nuttin, so he felt with no doubt he was the issue and he changed his grip and all was well. Takes balls sometimes to admit ur in error and when we suggest shooter error, we (I anyways)_ means no offense, but it is an issue that is easly eliminted by doing some utter thngs, like letting nutter good shooter try it etc, change grip etc. IMO itis sometimes best toleave this macho thing at home and not try to run it up our asses on this forum, for we are here to help and basicaly cold give a rats ass if u take the advice or not. THAT IS ALL WE CAN DO.

I have been riding a motorcycle for over 50 years and yes I am a macho pig person.I think I know it all, etc, I have been down more times than I can count, I have been hit by a fokking truck.metal plate and 13 screws in left leg, but please don't tell me how to ride for I have been doing it for 50 years, so I know it all. ow many times have bikers heard this ****. to me it is not aoubt this crapola that I have been riding 50+_ years but the fact that Iam still alive. Most people do not like to have criticism, myself included even. I think that is human nature. U just cannot find a better forum of people than kahr talk, they are here to help, doesn't always work perfect either. Contray to most peoples opinion, "We do not know it all"

I have alwaysw felt, thatif it ain't broke don't fix it. New guns can be defective from the git go. That is why we have a warranty, Most all gun makers will make it right.
If u went back 5+ years ago, the posts on this fourm were very negatives with lots of issues. today, we just dnt see that . Some issues are definitely shooter issues. We can't fix that but we can tellyou how to find out though.

In my earlier days of shooting smallass gun, I had bought my wife a Kel tek 32 thinknng it wold be a nice gun or her. She just couldnot shoot thegun without ftf issues. Icould shoot it perfect with no issues. Nuttin I could do for her tomake it workright in her hands. I guess I was just not experienced enough to see her shooting ills either. But also as Bawanna would have said,,,:ur first mistake was buying a kel tek". but again I know it all and u can't tell a know it all NUTTIN. Just sayin

Guns cannot talk or they might tell us alot of what we are doin...

[Booker T]

Haha, nice self description there jocko. Gotta appreciate a fella that knows who he is.
Not too proud here to accept good sound advice and help. I'm a pretty good shooter, but I'm no gunsmith. I really do appreciate the time people take to help a guy like me out.

[2edgesword]

I serious doubt that I'll ever be able to shoot up to the accuracy of my CW45 but I'm trying. On the advice of an instructor I've been adding dry fire practice into my range visits.

Typically at the start of a range visit I'm conscious of proper trigger control and flinch but find that flinch can creep back in during live fire practice. Adding some dry fire into the practice session helps me identify when that flinch has creeped in and helps me get back to a smooth trigger pull.

Today I took the CW-45 and worked at 25 yards (11" x 17" target) with some dry fire mixed in (60 rounds total). On this particular target I got 16/18 shots on paper, a couple of real flyers high/low left, but most were in the rings with a few on the ten ring so I'm seeing some improvement.

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[Booker T]

That's some good advice 2edgesword. I definitely agree that flinching or letting the anticipation of the recoil affect your grip or trigger control, affects the accuracy more than the capabilities of the gun itself. I think the CW45 is more than accurate enough for any kind of practical encounter, if like you said, we as shooters do our part. I haven't been attacked by a paper target at 50 yds, but I have had a 1911 .45 auto put to my head by a drunk.

Great shooting at 25 yds. Keep up the good practice. That's how I'm going to improve the capabilities of my firearms as well, by continually improving myself.

[jocko]

just buy a half dozen snap caps and throw them in with 30 rounds and let anutter person load ur magazine. I guarantee u, it will show ur shooint skils or lack of, real fast. Dry firing proves not alot, as u know there is no bangthing gonna happen. One does not realize he is anticiapting the bang thing until he hits a snap cap during live fire. best drill u can ever do, plus gives u the added drill of TAP, RACK AND BANG drill to..

[Booker T]

I like that jocko, great point. I've seen that mentioned before and I'm definitely going to start making that part of my range sessions as well.

[newCW45guy]

That is great shooting considering a 11x17 target at 25 yds.

You're aready way better than average given this isn't a bullseye piece.

At 7yds you'd be standing over someone gasping his last breath nearly 90% of the time.

Me I work at really tight groups at 7yds and increase firing rate trying to hold the group size down. It's those couple of flyers that make rapid fire practice important.

[2edgesword]

I think having someone to load random snap caps would be ideal (instructor gave this recommendation). Having said that flinch is a subconsciously reaction and I've found that if I switch from live fire to dry fire the subconscious will at times override the conscious meaning, even though I know consciously I have an empty firearm the subconscious anticipation of the boom (reinforced by the last 12 ~ 24 rounds fired) will have worked its way back into my trigger pull in the form of a flinch.

I know this is a byproduct of not putting in enough practice to really ingrain proper technique and with nother 30,000 rounds or so I'll have my technique perfected :).

[O'Dell]

My CW45 is on my hip about 75% of the time, even though it's the cheapest 45 I own. When I bought it over a year ago it put my CW40 on the trading block.

[rtn]

Never was interested in a .45 because I had brainwashed myself into thinking they weren't accurate.

Wanted to get the CW40 but changed my mind and finally decided to prove myself wrong. Boy did I.

The CW45 is amazingly accurate. I can hit a head sized target all day long at 25 yds. I find that pretty amazing out of a 3 1/2" barreled .45 acp.

[jocko]

rtn. that is because ur also a good shot. the gun can only do what the fella behind it does. IMO all guns will shoot better than the shooter. I would not be a good poster boy for kahr's. but I was never a good poster boy for any other hand gun eitther. Kahrs trigger system is something to behold, but also something that some never master. I do consider myself one of those. So I accept it ad I know the purpose of the gun. I am a flincher I know it to, to many years behind me to get that outta my ststem. God only knows I have worked on it. But without snap caps randomly in my magazine, I never see the flinch when the bang thing happens and 2 edgewrod is dead nuts on target with his post to. Dry firing, won't produce flincing, as u know nuttin is gonna happen.
But I have always said to a shooter can master a bad habit if he can duplicate it time and time again. U can master flinchinbg and still get good groups,.. certainloy not the best way to learn to shoot but it is what it is for many. There are very few Todd Jarretts running around
If I traded guns because I could not shooot good with it I WOULD HAVE NO GUNS. I shoot my G19 (tuned) excellent compared tomy kahr, and if I had to waiste band carrymy kahr, I would ten carry the G19, but nuttin fits in my pocket as nice as my PMJ9 and produces the firepower needed. Just sayin

[wyntrout]

With my aged eyes and impatient shooting, I'm very happy to get those results at 15 yards! I can't or don't always get all on a sheet of paper at 15 yards. I would need a rest and a longer time to "aim" each shot... and that ain't happening in any real-life scenarios with self defense!

Wynn:)

[Booker T]

Congrats rtn and good choice. I agree they are very accurate and I've been extremely happy with how well mine shoots.

Nice shooting. I enjoy practicing some slow fire long range shooting with mine, and it does great, but I mainly work on accurate triple taps even at the longer distances. Just my own personal thing and it does great there as well.