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Does any one know of a custom aftermarket (company) improved rod and spring recoil assembly for cw45?
LorenzoB
12-28-2012, 09:01 AM
I made some stainless, aluminum, and tungsten guide rods for my CW9 and I am close to being ready to sell these. I have measurements for the CW45 and hope to eventually make them for all the Kahr pistols. Here is a thread with some photos... http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14826
Steve Bedair makes stainless rods also and people speak highly of them... http://guiderod.com/
Tinman507
12-28-2012, 10:12 AM
+1 on Steve Bedair. He makes a beautiful product.
Looking forward to seeing Lorenzo's rods.
The kahr. I hate when the od of the recoil spring is bigger than the od of the rod.
addictedhealer
12-28-2012, 07:17 PM
I made some stainless, aluminum, and tungsten guide rods for my CW9 and I am close to being ready to sell these. I have measurements for the CW45 and hope to eventually make them for all the Kahr pistols. Here is a thread with some photos... http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14826
Steve Bedair makes stainless rods also and people speak highly of them... http://guiderod.com/
I seen your post of the custom rods, can you explain the improvement over the Kahr stainless rods that can be purchased from Kahr? No disrespect intended I just bought a stainless guide rod to replace the ugly black one.
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wyntrout
12-28-2012, 07:52 PM
The kahr. I hate when the od of the recoil spring is bigger than the od of the rod.
HUH?? WTHeck?? The recoil spring is designed so that the closed end grips the rod to hold it in place. The FRONT end is larger so it does NOT grip the rod and doesn't got through the hole in the slide. Does your rod and spring not work??
The rods and springs/spring assemblies are designed to function correctly in the pistol. The design chosen is functional AND cost effective. That's all I ask... that it function as designed. I don't need exotic metals or hand turned, custom-made parts. You chose the "cheap" model, anyhow! What's the beef??
Wynn:)
jocko
12-28-2012, 08:03 PM
Does any one know of a custom aftermarket (company) improved rod and spring recoil assembly for cw45?
stom recoil rods are available from some of our forum people even and I think Steve3 Bednar makes um to, but defiitely stick with kahrs recoils springs, they are made by Wolffs gunsprings, so they are the best of the best...
wyntrout, i wrote clear! The spring at the barrel lug end of the rod is larger than rod end head on yours and mine. Thats the way they come .. Some pistols, the spring will jump over the rod. It (the spring) has no complete o.d. seat. Just like the mags that hang out on alot of pistols. I have a db9, had to make a washer/buffer for recoil spring so it would not jump over anymore. It worked. Doesnt cost any more money for quality design if ya use your head without your expensive metals. Look at sig938 and springfieldxds45 recoils. Even the mag hanging out the bottom on the xds is a joke. The sig 938 mag is tucked up nice. Corporations get lazy, give up on detail and common sense changes that would make em money in the long run. Plenty of laithe's and mill press's round here.
LorenzoB
12-28-2012, 11:54 PM
wyntrout, i wrote clear! The spring at the barrel lug end of the rod is larger than rod end head on yours and mine. Thats the way they come .. Some pistols, the spring will jump over the rod. It (the spring) has no complete o.d. seat....
ez9, you possibly have the spring in backwards or the wrong spring. One end is closed (coiled on itself) and a slightly smaller diameter to sit flat against the head of the guide rod so it does not jump over it.
LorenzoB
12-29-2012, 12:04 AM
I seen your post of the custom rods, can you explain the improvement over the Kahr stainless rods that can be purchased from Kahr? No disrespect intended I just bought a stainless guide rod to replace the ugly black one.
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No disrespect taken. I have used 3 different materials for my guide rods. If you are comparing apples to apples, then my stainless guide rod is probably the same as Kahrs. I don't know how smooth their surface finish is. My guide rods have a concentric circle design in the end of the rod for looks, and the Kahr one is flat. It might be possible for my rod to cost less after shipping (I still need to finalize that). To my knowledge, no one else makes an aluminum rod. I am using a high strength aluminum that makes it stronger than the steel and stainless steel ones and also 67% lighter. The increase in recoil is very small almost insignificant, but I want to do more slow motion video testing. This rod would reduce the weight of a carry gun which would be nice.
I also wanted to make other stuff since I hope to sell my magazine baseplates soon... I figured people could buy some other upgrades at the same time and save on shipping, or maybe get a package discount or something.
wyntrout
12-29-2012, 01:26 AM
ez9, it does sound like you have the recoil spring backwards. The open coiled, larger end goes to the front. The closed coil, smaller end goes to the rear and grips the rod to keep it from sliding forward. The larger open end is to keep it from going out the hole in front of the slide. That's in the manual AND in the Kahr video on disassembly/re-assembly of the Kahr Pistols:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G2cZgVg_SwA#t=219s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G2cZgVg_SwA#t=169s)
The beginning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G2cZgVg_SwA
I/we advise everyone to watch the video BEFORE taking apart and putting the pistol back together. If you don't do it correctly, there are several things you can do the seriously frack things up!
Wynn:)
facetious want get ya anywhere. Ya know what iam talking about! I know which way the spring goes and you know i know which way the spring goes.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/putt2012/74B748CE-A025-4E0F-B53F-AA8B7C09E2E7-4980-000006D94E5A4A2F.jpg
the head of the rod (like i said above) is smaller od than the outside od of the spring. THEY NEED TO BE SAME SIZE.
jocko
12-29-2012, 10:21 AM
ur quote: "the head of the rod (like i said above) is smaller od than the outside od of the spring. THEY NEED TO BE SAME SIZE.
mY QUESTION TO YOU. Why do u think it needs to be the way ur saying????
look at the glock or DPM SYSTEM, and other quality pistols. The head should be same or larger because the head rides on the barrel lug. I think also, there should be a tiny seat on barrel area for head.
Look at these on new sig938 & new xds45acp. Just shows some body getting off their corporate a$$ and doing their job. Having pride in their work and something nice in the hand. Its a bunch of lil' things combined that make a pistol great. I if were doing even the mags on kahrs, i would tool poly down and make mags fit perfect (see mag guy and tell him i need em 1/8 shorter or whatever exact length) and leave the bottom nose of the grip long and the mag leading edge behind so when your gripping, your gripping grip and not leading edge of mag.
jocko
12-29-2012, 10:44 AM
kahrs "head" is 1/2" (at least the PM and cm series are). and if one puts on the recoil spring as directed, It cannot ride or d0 anything but sit their nicely .
Personally ur begiing to sound like u know it all . How about u sending this post of urs to our top moderators and see how it flys with them.
wyntrout
12-29-2012, 10:48 AM
I'm not trying to be funny, but I can't tell anything about the spring from that picture. It does look like you reload. Maybe you just need a new recoil spring. Kahr should send you one if yours isn't working properly.
Wynn:)
I had a kahr cm9, great pistol, built like a tank,, +p and everything! Traded it for sig938, like it too! I ran my powerful reloads in kahr and it would handle them where other pistols will not. So i am messing with the used kahr cw45 now. I have bought a xds too, damn if their mag aint hangin out the bottom, now gotta go to machine shop and take poly base plate down @ nose and sides. Nice recoil though.
I was shooting cm9 in the mountians , the lil' neighbor said "mr that is the loudest gun ive ever heard". It was loud!
I live @ fayetteville and work at (command post for all army, 30 generals here) ft bragg, jims world famous gun jobbery here has sold incredible amount of pistols lately, I have noticed the kahrs have fell off. I shoot there 4 or 5 times a week. Gone thru 18 firearms in 11 months, I am not a collector. I still just have a few firearms.
THIS IS A TOUGH COMPETITIVE MARKET NOWDAYS FOR PISTOL COMPANIES.
wyntrout
12-29-2012, 11:32 AM
I go to the LGS/range 2-3 times a month and I really can't remember ever seeing anyone else shooting a Kahr. I haven't seen any in their shop for a while now.
I have 5 polymers and my original '97/98 K9. I like them all... best to me for CC. Some have needed help to get reliable, though, from me AND Kahr, but it's worth the trouble.
I've had several case ruptures... one brand of case... "AMER C" from a case of re-manufactured 9mm 124-gr fmj. After an unexplained extractor loss on my PM9, then a rupture resulting in extractor loss and side plate blowout in my new-to-me P9. That's when I figured out the problem. I decided to sort out the rest of those cases from the about 170 rounds I had left from 1,000 over the last decade or so. I got the bright idea that the all steel K9 would handle the blowouts better... stronger barrel and no side plate. I had 5 of the culprit rounds left and #2 ruptured. It blew the extractor off, but otherwise no harm. I only found one of the three extractors at the range, so I have spares for every Kahr now. I used pliers and broke the bullets down, fired the primers, and burned the powder. I think the rest of the ammo is safe, but I don't plan on using any more reloads. When I reloaded, I never had any problems with my ammo because I took my time and made sure all of the powder charges looked the same before proceeding. That particular batch of used cases was obviously defective and I have no more of those.
I keep a lot of spare stuff as I've had problems, but recoil springs have never been one of them. I do have spares for all of my pistols and until there's actually a problem I won't change any for the heck of it... fixing something that ain't broken!:D My Kahrs are tight enough without a new spring to break in!
Wynn:)
Recoil systems: no, it works, "iam just saying" make em more perfect! Diamond back has a problem now that were talking about. Some people dont care about more perfect, just as long as it works, thats good enough. In the right company, perfection cost no more! Mic your spring and your recoil head. Mine is stock and works, iam just sayin.
as far as mag goes, (a ton of threads on here for mag mods) this floor plate design would be great on kahr's.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/putt2012/77D1F795-9B33-4B70-BE69-D80DCEC9D3E6-4980-000006F2FF03740D.jpg
JustinN
12-29-2012, 12:39 PM
I am so confused by all of this....you're saying everything works fine, but they're doing it wrong...I understand you're comparing it to other companies, but that is like comparing a ford distributor cap placement vs a chevy's....they're different companies and build it differently. I've not heard of any problems with the Kahr spring flying out of the .45, and I'm really not hearing a problem with yours, other than you think Kahr shoudl have copied Sig's design. If Sig did it perfectly, sell the Kahr and buy another Sig.
At this point I don't know what you're expecting to hear from anyone. The gun works good, you said so yourself, but you take a fuzzy picture of the spring and claim they're lazy and built it wrong....
jocko
12-29-2012, 12:53 PM
Recoil systems: no, it works, "iam just saying" make em more perfect! Diamond back has a problem now that were talking about. Some people dont care about more perfect, just as long as it works, thats good enough. In the right company, perfection cost no more! Mic your spring and your recoil head. Mine is stock and works, iam just sayin.
as far as mag goes, (a ton of threads on here for mag mods) this floor plate design would be great on kahr's.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/putt2012/77D1F795-9B33-4B70-BE69-D80DCEC9D3E6-4980-000006F2FF03740D.jpg
gun the sig,but for me my pM9 weighs loadedwith corbon 90 grain powerall 18 ounces, where as the sig unlosed weights20. 5.(hammer fired vs. striker fired) apples and oranges. Just shoot the gun, Would be niceif we could take a particular part we like off of a Glock and one off of a sig and one off of a colt and one off of a ruger and one off of a Smith, to build what we think is the perfect gun, but I bet we would still hear of negative comments.
I don't shoot my PM9 near as good as I do my G19--duh??? My G19 sits on the vanityt op and never goes anywhere with me. My PM9 is my 24/7 gun. I accept the accuracy issues due to not the guns fault but to a very looooong but so smooth trigger system with no fokking levers in the way. I don't compare the Glock trigger to the Kahr triggers either. They are different by design. One has to either accept it or peddle it and buy what pleases them.
I love my G19, it is tuned, grip stppled,ported and I can shoot um in the same hole at 7 yards. Certainly IMO a tribute to my glock for sure, asI am not a good shot, but that being said I read of many who call glocks blocks, , no ergo's butt ugly, screwly triggers etc. It doesn't please all . I don't defend um, u either like um or u don't..
Booker T
12-30-2012, 02:45 PM
So basically what you're saying ez9, seems to be just a personal preference matter and not an actual gun issue. That's why you are looking for an aftermarket option. I get that. That's how you would like to have YOUR gun. Completely cool.
Me on the other hand, am not concerned until the spring - I.D exceeds the rod head- O.D. !! THEN I personally would have a BIG problem ... peace
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