Feds start to introduce specific anti-gun bills

[aray]

ar15.com has put together a list of bills that have been filed so far in the House in the 113th Congress, sworn in just yesterday:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1415100_1_4_2013___New_Federal_Gun_Legislation.htm l%26page=1

[PYROhafe]

wow... and sadly only one of those makes any sense at all.
Im sure bulk purchases would be anything over 10 rounds, so everytime you go to the range for a day of shooting you're gonna get "reported"

[Fxstchewy]

Not many co-sponsors on them......yet.

[aray]

Yeah, it's early. These are just placeholders for now. In most cases you'll see they don't even have the text of the bill put down yet; just the summary.

[MikeyKahr]

Agreed on just being placeholders. It will be interesting to see what all is added once the placeholders have drafts and as they are worked on in (sub)committees, etc. Seeing who writes what drafts and adds what language and finally seeing actual votes instead of all the rhetoric will be refreshing to me. This will be a true test for the last few blue dog Democrats and the liberal Republican party members as to where they stand.

As a side note, am I the only one (I probably am, I know) that thinks that Congress having extended discussions and debates on RKBA could potentially be a good thing for the future? First, to bog them down and waste their time from meddling in other issues. Second, to (hopefully) awaken the apathetic 150 million+ that have slumbered for too long. Third, to further show how much of a mockery the whole political process has all become? Fourth, to finally force the NRA to give the honorable Senator Reid a bad rating? I am sick of seeing him get a good grade btw, can you tell?

I know that many see impending doom ahead. It has been evidenced by the last few weeks' shopping sprees. I'm not sure all of this hysteria is necessarily a completely bad thing. Actually it may be just what is needed to save the Republic - or at least the smaller subset that is worth saving, anyway. Okay, I'll head to my bomb shelter now. :beer:

[Bawanna]

Man! You have a bomb shelter. Can I come over? I was thinking about digging a concrete enclosed pit in the back yard but I don't like digging to much anymore.

I figured if I didn't need it to hide from the feds I could always use it as a septic tank, actually close to the same purpose now that I ponder it some.

[wyntrout]

I just saw a Prepper episode the other night where some "rich" <maybe> guy here in Florida had a $150,000 bomb shelter/bunker built and trucked all the way from CALIFORNIA! They hired an out of state crew to bury the thing... HUGE... so that they wouldn't be thinking of running over to share it with him!

It would be nice to have a shelter... our house isn't very defensible, but after a recent Christmas party with most of the neighbors, I was pleasantly surprised at quite a few having or getting CWP's... wives, too! The discussion did get to neighborhood and home protection from the cockraoches wanting to "share" our stuff.

Wynn:)

[JustinN]

One thing is for sure, A LOT of people who weren't up in arms about (ahem) Arms, are now! I know at least 10 people who have never owned a gun and all have either bought one or are trying to buy one (Bass Pro was out of Ruger 10/22s today - My Father-in-Law wants one - has never owned a gun in his life, but after shooting mine, HAS to have one).

I Really think/hope they have done nothing more than mobilized a greater force to push back against their anti-gun legislation! If the pro-gun Politicians were right, they would just tack on ridiculous crap to every one of those anti bills, you know, CRAZY things like time limits on welfare, making welfare recipients work a government job make them drug free, etc etc.

[MikeyKahr]

Unfortunately, POTUS has line item veto power so those tack ons would last as long as a pair of Bawannas grips on EBay for $1.99. :cool: A t least the next four years and 13 days.

That said, I agree with you about more people being up in Arms and also having more conversations about guns, self-preservation, and what families and neighbors would do should the worst happen. Its happening all around. Also, think about the economic growth the weapons sector has made too Q4 2012 and Q1 2013! Maybe Obama has figured out a way to grow the economy. :screwy: That along with Nadlers Trillion Dollar US Treasury coin that will solve all our problems. :banghead:

[muggsy]

Boehner has said that the House of Representatives will not take up any gun control bills until until all of the financial issues of our nation are resolved. Primarily the debt ceiling and spending cuts. The Senate has yet to pass a budget bill.

[wyntrout]

POTUS does not have a line item veto. It's all or nothing. He can't pick and choose, but he can NOT sign it and let it die, or send it back for changes.

It existed briefly under Clinton:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57490325/15-years-after-its-brief-existence-line-item-veto-eludes-presidents/

Wynn:)

[Dogman]

I don't think Obama will wait for congress to pass anything, he'll use EO power to put in place what he wants.

[MikeyKahr]

Thanks for the link Wyn.

[chrish]

I don't think Obama will wait for congress to pass anything, he'll use EO power to put in place what he wants.

while rare, congress has the ability to stop an eo dead in its tracks. But will they have the stones in this case? Or the votes?

scotus can do it too. Same questions apply...

[Barth]

while rare, congress has the ability to stop an eo dead in its tracks. But will they have the stones in this case? Or the votes?

scotus can do it too. Same questions apply...

It's looking very much like a combination of EO and bills through congress.
Congress will take three months and Obummer isn't going to wait.
I personally think an Executive Order of some sort relating to Gun Control is nearly certain.
Maybe as early as February following Biden's Bullsh*t.

My way of thinking is he will quietly test the waters to see what
he can get away with before signing one.

[MikeyKahr]

"I believe in the Second Amendment. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away... I am not going to take your guns away. So if you want to find an excuse not to vote for me, don't use that one because it just ain't true. It ain't true." - Barack Obama, 2008

[Dogman]

"I believe in the Second Amendment. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away... I am not going to take your guns away. So if you want to find an excuse not to vote for me, don't use that one because it just ain't true. It ain't true." - Barack Obama, 2008

Obama is one of those people that if they tell you the grass is green and the sky is blue step outside to verify it for yourself.

[getsome]

September 21 2009 President Obama: "The new Health Care Bill WILL NOT be a Tax increase"!!!...:confused:

[ctc8098]

Ah, the Democrats. What hypocrites!
I would like add a provision to all gun control bills that also bans abortion, especially the horrific partial birth abortion where the unborn baby is just just centimeters away from being a full-fledged citizen of the USA....when they kill him or her.
They “say” they respect life. What baloney.

[AIRret]

I don't think Obama will wait for congress to pass anything, he'll use EO power to put in place what he wants.

Dogman you are right!!!! About 30 min. ago FOX News reported that Bidden said that Obama is considering using an executive order to implement the gun laws. It sounds like Obama wants to move fast.

God help us!!

I fear that the turn in time frame will be so short that there won't be time for
"WHATEVER"

[chrish]

Dogman you are right!!!! About 30 min. ago FOX News reported that Bidden said that Obama is considering using an executive order to implement the gun laws. It sounds like Obama wants to move fast.

God help us!!

I fear that the turn in time frame will be so short that there won't be time for
"WHATEVER"

Yep, so Congress or SCOTUS will be the only hope to vacate the order, but unlikely to happen.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/9/biden-executive-orders-action-can-be-taken-guns/

[Bawanna]

I see they have quite an impartial group of gun safety advocates tapped to help the monkey make his executive decision.

[Barth]

http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/england.png
http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/dc.png
http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/chicago.png

[getsome]

Paper says today Vice President Biden has a meeting with "victims organizations" and representatives from the video game and entertainment industries...(I thiought Joe Biden was a video game)...The administrations goal is to forge consensus over proposals to curb gun violence...That sure sounds like a fair and impartial group meeting alright!!!...Excuse me, where is the other side representing gun rights groups????...What a JOKE...

[Dogman]

Paper says today Vice President Biden has a meeting with "victims organizations" and representatives from the video game and entertainment industries...(I thiought Joe Biden was a video game)...The administrations goal is to forge consensus over proposals to curb gun violence...That sure sounds like a fair and impartial group meeting alright!!!...Excuse me, where is the other side representing gun rights groups????...What a JOKE...

They're scheduled to speak with the VP tomorrow.

[Barth]

This whole thing stinks on ice.
There is no dire crisis.
There is no crisis at all.
If a state wants gun control?
They have every opportunity to do that on a state level.
There's no need for Federal intervention.
And especially no dire need for immediate unilateral executive action.
http://4closurefraud.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/railroaded-e1304959910217.jpg

[wyntrout]

My buddy sent me this:

Storm Photo

The devastation and ignorance being caused by this catastrophic occurrence will forever destroy the fiber and character of a once great nation with little hope for correction or rebuilding at the present rate of duplicity and complacence being displayed by the American public.





I don't know who came up with the idea for this drawing, but it is GREAT!

They left off a bunch of people, though!

Wynn:rolleyes:
:behindsofa:

[tv_racin_fan]

Gun control advocates.... ask the next one you see how drug control laws are working in their area. Ask them to name the town or city or state without a drug issue. Explain to them that criminals in prison somehow get firearms. Explain to them that some plumbing supplies, a rubber band, some lumber, some metal straps and some epoxy putty can be turned into a revolving shotgun over night. Tell them to go look on you tube for videos of home made weapons. Everything one needs to make gun powder is in your home or yard. I bet you can find a rock that will spark.

[chrish]

So, sounds like Biden just gave the NRA a talking to and made them sit and listen to what the plan was. I'd have gotten up and told him to go you know what...

But, if the quote below from the article is accurate, I'd say we are in for a nice long protracted legal battle w/ nothing available for sale for quite a while. Get 'em while you can folks. Here's hoping either Congress or SCOTUS deals w/ whatever he tries thru EO. He can't do this legally, but then that's not stopped him yet...



Biden said that while he had not finalized his recommendations, a consensus was emerging over banning assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines, as well as potentially implementing “universal background checks.” He said tightening background checks would include closing the so-called gun show loophole but also requiring background checks for all transactions, even private sales.


Full article...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/meeting-between-nra-and-joe-biden-led-task-force-didnt-go-well/

[OldLincoln]

Don't how many of you are read up on the Executive Order (EO) laws, but the EO affects the administrative departments like Reagan firing the ATC's who went on strike and refused to hire them back. He could not have fired anybody at GM. Same for what those departments do, such as the IRS becoming taking on ObamaCare responsibilities.

This could play out in the gun control with EO's immediately requiring ATF and FBI to become impossibly involved in backgrounds (including backlogs) but needing legislation to close the gun show loophole.

At least this is how I remember it. I did see high powered people on Fox say there is no way the pres can directly take on the "infringement" of the 2A, but can attack it a million other ways obliquely through regulations and fees. He may eventually loose what he passes in the SPOTUS but he will get to spend a lot of taxpayer dollars defending it. And even that is in question as he moves the court even further left.

I believe we will see him make more recess appointments than those confirmed, and anything even minor that fits parameters will go by EO. He has declared open war on the congressional process of Checks and Balances and his compass is pointed at the Power setting not Morally Correct.

[Planedude]

Yep, Obumma will take the Presidents oath shortly that will say, in part "...I will protect and defend the Constution of the United States from all enemies foreign or domestic... So help me God".
Then he will settel back into the White house and start subverting it. Nice!

[aray]

I did see high powered people on Fox say there is no way the pres can directly take on the "infringement" of the 2A, but can attack it a million other ways obliquely through regulations and fees. ... He has declared open war on the congressional process of Checks and Balances and his compass is pointed at the Power setting not Morally Correct.

The problem is that it doesn't matter what the people at Fox says, it only matters (to him) what his lapdog Attorney General Eric Holder says is legal. With that rubber stamp, he can issue Executive Orders to the BATFE on just about any gun control regulation that he wants.

Throughout the history of the republic, only two Executive Orders have been overturned by the courts, one from Truman and one from Clinton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order_(United_States)

I predict this will wind up in the courts as well. It then depends on whether or not he gets to appoint one more SCOTUS justice before it gets to them or not (or if he can flip one, like he did with Roberts on ObamaCare).

Anyway a good reason to support the NRA to keep legislation tied up in Congress, and the SAF to pursue EOs through the court systems. Both organizations have a major role to play coming up.