1st day two FTF's

[noslolo]

Hey Now, Just a short day at the range, I only had 80 rounds, but I wanted to start breaking in my CW40. It did what it was supposed to, a little snappy but I expected it that. All was fine until the last two Mags. Now I might not have fully secured the mag. I had loaded it with one already in the pipe. The first one would fire and then I would get a FTF. I slapped the butt and the slide slammed shut ready to go. Then I loaded the last mag. I know I secured this one well. The one in the barrel fired and then another FTF with the slide locked open again. I slapped the butt and the slide slammed shut. Any clues why the mag is not staying locked in place? I plan on picking up some more ammo, but I need to get a paycheck first.

[yellow-x]

I realized that I was bumping the mag release on my cw9 when it would fire. Changed my grip so my thumb was higher then I was fine.

[jocko]

Hey Now, Just a short day at the range, I only had 80 rounds, but I wanted to start breaking in my CW40. It did what it was supposed to, a little snappy but I expected it that. All was fine until the last two Mags. Now I might not have fully secured the mag. I had loaded it with one already in the pipe. The first one would fire and then I would get a FTF. I slapped the butt and the slide slammed shut ready to go. Then I loaded the last mag. I know I secured this one well. The one in the barrel fired and then another FTF with the slide locked open again. I slapped the butt and the slide slammed shut. Any clues why the mag is not staying locked in place? I plan on picking up some more ammo, but I need to get a paycheck first.

I am assuming when you say the slide locked open u mean it did not go all the way back into battery. It did not lock open with the slide stop lever did it???

If this be the case, I think you just need to get more rounds through the gun and it will smooth itself out. You might want to go to the kahr tech section and hit ont he thread PROPER PREPPING OF YOUR NEW KAHR. This might help u some.

If the magazine is popping out and u can actualy pull the magazine out of the gun after shooting it, check to see that you are not hitting the mag relase with your grip and if that is OK, call kahr and get a new mag release . they will send you one no charge and it will take 5 minutes to nstall. Simple as picking your nose. You can even google up. Kahr magazine release installation and see how easy it is to do.

Be patient with it, just sounds like to me that the gun itself has not mated itself up yet. Remember the gun and shooter have to mate up to be right. The cw40 is a handful to shoot. Recoil is not pleasant and alot of issues could be shooter getting tired, grip turning in ones hand and you not realizing it is even happen. Note that this usually happens after 50 rounds or more have been shot in one session.

I am not saying any of the above is happening either, But eliminate the possables and then proceed forward. You get my point. The cw40 is one super kahr, .

[In-Yo-Grill]

Some of the best advice Jocko and the others told me was to clean the gun out real well before taking to the range. Not sure if you mentioned doing that or not. Either way clean and lube it as per the chart. DO NOT FORGET to spray the striker channel clean. This made a huge difference and got rid of the FTF's I was experiencing.

[noslolo]

Hey Joco, it locked open, and then I would hit the bottom of the mag and it would click and the slide would then close. I did clean it before taking it to the range and I am left handed so I was not gripping the mag release.

[getsome]

Hi noslolo, You may have to tweak the slide lock lever spring up and out a bit...When I first took my CW40 apart I bent the spring in and the slide would lock back every time, (Boy was I pi$$ed, Thought I broke the pistol before even shooting it) thats how I found this site and Jocko told me how to fix it...I called Kahr and they sent me a new spring free of charge but all I really needed to do was bend the original one back to the proper position...Not sure if thats your problem but its worth checking out....If the magazine keeps dropping out call Kahr and they will send you a new catch and spring which should solve that issue, very easy fix....Good luck and let us know what you find...:cool:

[noslolo]

Wow, I'm sorry! I forgot to thank everyone for their responses! Thank you all! I know that I need to put a couple more hundred rounds through it, but I'm headed ot of state for the next 10 days, so that will have to wait. There is an indoor range where I'm going but it's pricey and you have to buy the ammo from them and that just shoots the price even higher. I might just have to travel with the Taurus 99. I can't carry there so it won't make much of a difference. I'm looking forward to coming home and getting back to the range. It had been a while and it's always so important it get the range time in. I will make sure to hit the tech section and reread the range prep and cleaning. You were dead on Jacko, about the fatigue after 50rounds! That little gun has some umph!

[Bawanna]

Hi noslolo, You may have to tweak the slide lock lever spring up and out a bit...When I first took my CW40 apart I bent the spring in and the slide would lock back every time, (Boy was I pi$$ed, Thought I broke the pistol before even shooting it) thats how I found this site and Jocko told me how to fix it...I called Kahr and they sent me a new spring free of charge but all I really needed to do was bend it back to the proper position...Not sure if thats your problem but its worth checking out....Good luck and let us know what you find...:cool:

+1 Keep us posted, hope it works out good for ya.

[jocko]

Hey Joco, it locked open, and then I would hit the bottom of the mag and it would click and the slide would then close. I did clean it before taking it to the range and I am left handed so I was not gripping the mag release.

here is what you need to recheck out.

if the slide is locking open prematurely, only a couple of things can cause it. and you being a lefty (like I am) you have eliminated one of them. It cannot be your thumb at all.

So IMO it has to be rounds hitting the inside of the slide lock lever and pre engaging it to lock open. Take the slide off, reinstall the slide lock lever, now insert a loaded magazine with the rounds that was causing u issues. watch that left side and see if that top round is hitting that slide lock lever. If that lever moves upward any, then you need a new slide lock lever. It is ok if the rounds brush by the slide lock lever but they should not move that lever upward PERIOD.

By hitting the bottom of your magazine what ur actually doing is by shear momenton, you are releasing the slide without hitting the slide lock lever. I can do this every time with my PM9 if I slam the magazine in, which I do not. I can do it every time on my Glock also. For actually the slide lock lever spring on the left side is always wanting to move that lever downward, so by slamming the magazine in or hitting it from the bottom, u are actually give that slide just enough freedom for the slide lock spring to do its thing and that is to pull the slide lock lever down and out of the way.

check that out and see what is going on there. view carefully. Nice thing with the slide off u can view right from the top exactly what is going on in that area.

If they arenot hitting, then empty the magazine and with slide still off and lever in place insert the magazine and see if that follower is pulling up the lever to. That lever should not be freeplay sloppy. Kinda hard to explain what I mean by that but if the lever is installed properly (with slide off) just the slightest movement upward, u should incur some spring pressure from that little springy thing by the slide stop, wanting to return it downward. My point is and GETSOME mentioned it earlier to,is if that spring is alittle out of adjustment and to much slop/play is in that slide lock lever, then it can pre engage itself as no spring pressure is pulling it down. If that be the case and u will be able to feel that really easy. just take a pair of long nose pliers and tweek that tip on that little springy slightly downward, and when you put that slide stop in, you should hear a "snap". that tells you that u did it right. If u look at that lug on the slide stop that actually engages that little springy thing, there is a slight groove (fingernail can feel it), that is where that spring must lie. I always put a dab of grease on that lug, lets the spring ride over it easier IMO.

If ur magazine is not falling out of the gun or that you can't pull it out without hitting the mag release then that part is OK. Your kahr wold not be the first kahr to have an out of spec slide lock lever... You have a machined forged slide stop lever and some have been out of spec to...

[jocko]

Hi noslolo, You may have to tweak the slide lock lever spring up and out a bit...When I first took my CW40 apart I bent the spring in and the slide would lock back every time, (Boy was I pi$$ed, Thought I broke the pistol before even shooting it) thats how I found this site and Jocko told me how to fix it...I called Kahr and they sent me a new spring free of charge but all I really needed to do was bend the original one back to the proper position...Not sure if thats your problem but its worth checking out....If the magazine keeps dropping out call Kahr and they will send you a new catch and spring which should solve that issue, very easy fix....Good luck and let us know what you find...:cool:

IMo u did the exact right thing in not messing with that damn little torx screw that threads right into polymer. I hate that, feature, but again I have not heard of anyone stripping that thread out either, but again I try to say jost do notmess with that little screw or ur just asking for problems IMO. One can do just what you did to your spring, TWEEK it. U can't break it, u can't over tweek it for you can then just under tweek it. I have my original spring in my pM9 and with 25,800 rounds, I know I have had this gun apart hundreds and hundreds of times and if u watch what your doing, you won't harm that little spring. Ihavenever even tweeked mine EVER. Same thing with that right side side panel. It is held in by the same size and threaded torx screw (size 6 torx tool) and it screws right into the polymer. So again, leave that side panel alone, Never IMO a need to take that panel off. One can spray clean from top everything in that area.IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT.:third:

[Bawanna]

[IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT.:third:[/QUOTE]

Words to live by and they save a tremendous amout of grief with many things, not just guns. Perhaps you could sent a note to my psycologist and tell em I'm OK?

ok bye.

[noslolo]

Hey getsome, The mag doesn't fall out, and the slide spring and slide are new from Kahr.

[getsome]

Sorry I thought the magazine was popping out when you shot it....If all else fails and you can't get it working just call Ian at Kahr and send it back....They will make it work....Good luck guy....

[End of Tour]

Hi Noslolo my PM9 is having premature slide locks ,my slide stop spring was somewhat loose and the spring had some play in it.I contacted Kahr and was told that the screw should be snug and no play in the spring however i agree with jocko that it would be real easy to strip out the frame . So i called Kahr again and was told the same thing .
My problem appears to be the rounds hitting the slide lock lever ( had same problem with one of my Kimbers). Kahr is sending me a new slide lock lever which i think will solve my problem . Don't get discouraged i'm sure it will get squared away.

[noslolo]

Thanks for all of the ideas everyone, it has been a huge help. I'm looking forward to coming back from my work trip, so I can hit the range, to work this out.