9 MM ammo

[Allen]

Since Wal Mart has pulled all their 9mm ammo from the shelves I thought I'd better have an extra box on hand so I went to my local gun shop. All they had on hand was the Hornady Critical Defense 115 gr FTX, which I'm a little familiar with, and Fiocchi 124 gr JHP that comes from Fiocchi of American in Ozark, Arkansas.

I've never even heard of Fiocchi but since the store owner said if they didn't work in my Kahr to bring back the ones I hadn't shot, and they are made in America, I went ahead and bought one box along with a box of the Hornadys. Has anyone heard of or used this brand in their CM9/PM9s, assuming it may just be available in the Missouri/Arkansas/Oklahoma area?

I used most of my WWB and Federal from W M during my last visit to the range so hated to be too low on ammo for my CCW.

Guess I'm wrong on WM pulling their ammo from the shelves. I can't find where I read that and it looks like gun owners are emptying the shelves as fast as a shipment comes in, even getting advance information on shipments. Looks like a short supply for some time now.

[KoolBreeze]

Fiocchi has been around a very long time, since the late 1800s. I use to shoot a lot of their shotgun shells back in the day, which were a good product. I can't speak for their handgun cartridges though.

Why did Wal-Mart pull their 9mm ammunition? I figured Obama had just sold all of their stock and that was the reason for the bare shelves.

[jocko]

humm, first I haveheard of wal mart pulling any ammo off the shelves. I just bout 400 rounds last week and they had just got in a case of 1k THAT DAY...

[Huskybrushape]

Are you sure it wasn't the customers that pulled the ammo off the shelves?

[jimsea]

Confirmed by the manager in SW FL.

[Allen]

I just assumed WM had pulled it off their shelves since I'd read in another post of them doing this. Seems like that post said all 9mm, .45 caliber, and .223 ammo was gone from the shelves. I'll see if I can locate that post.

[wyntrout]

A lot of ammo is made by Fiocchi in Ozark, MO. I've bought Herters and MFS, as well, all good brass cases and made by Fiocchi. In some cases they don't even change the headstamps... all Fiocchi. I've shot a bunch of FMJ in all calibers... when it's the cheapest deal online. I don't reload anymore so I look carefully for the cheapest, best deals online... for good Blazer aluminum-cased or brass-cased... no steel. I did think about getting some of those "cans" of steel-cased ammo for long-term, emergency use.

Wynn:)

[Raulf]

I carry my CM9 with Critical Defense ammo, never have a problem, 6 and 7 rdns mags, they all work very well with this ammo.:D

[RRP]

I bought a full case of Remington UMC 9mm from Walmart, an hour ago. The clerk said it had just arrived and he was in the process of putting it on the shelf, when I walked up. Because it's so hard to find, I took the whole case.

Last Sunday, I bought 1300 rounds of WWB at Walmart. There is no indication Walmart is deleting ammo from their product line around here, however it sells as fast as they get it.

Walmart did increase prices on ammo this week. For instance, Federal Champion 100 round Value Pack in 9mm used to sell for $19.97. The new price is $21 and change.

[Diocoles]

Our Walmart, by the Aurora Mall, now called Town Center, has not had 9mm in 2 weeks, 22LR is gone, some 44 available.
They were actively marking up the price on all the ammo.
Even the stuff they were presently out of.

:(

[addictedhealer]

Our Walmart has not taken any ammo off the shelves. Your store manager is a moron or it is just in your area. I just bought 100 rounds of 9mm wwb a few days ago. They had plenty of ammo. Yes it usually is sold fast now though.

[KoolBreeze]

I for one just don't understand the crazed ammo buying. The high capacity magazines I can understand, as well as the firearms that seem to be under assault, since those things could be hard to come by in the near future. But ammo? They aren't going to stop making ammo. I suppose they could tax it to death, and maybe that's what it's about, I don't know.

[jimsea]

Your store manager is a moron or it is just in your area.

Maybe......... I went to the Super Walmart in Pinellas Park FL last week to buy some .40 target ammo. The only thing left on the shelf were two 100 round boxes of 165gr .40 for $27 each. I bought both. The shelves were now completely bare of all ammo.

The guy behind me was looking for 9mm and asked why the shelves were empty. He didn't believe the answer from the cashier behind the counter, until the manager walked by and said they were going to sell what they had and after 90 days take it all off the shelf and not order any more. Obviously it didn't take 90 days to get rid of it.

YMMV depending on your locale.

[Native]

I've shot quite a bit of Fiocchi 124 grain JHP through my own PM9 with perfect results. It's my EDC carry round. YMMV through your particular gun, but it's not a dog by any means.

[JFootin]

Confirmed by the manager in SW FL.

My WM said they couldn't get enough from the distributer.

[sharpenit]

All they had on hand was the Hornady Critical Defense 115 gr FTX, which I'm a little familiar with, and Fiocchi 124 gr JHP that comes from Fiocchi of American in Ozark, Arkansas.

I've never even heard of Fiocchi


I have some Fiocchi hollow-points in my CM9 right now. No problems feeding and firing.

[QuercusMax]

I never shop at WalMart, but I just stopped by the farm supply store at which I buy most of my ammo when I am back in the Midwest.

They literally had piles of 9mm Blazer Brass (which has worked well for me) available in 350-rd boxes for $79, which is $0.229 before tax. (This is the same product that Gander Mtn sells for $99 unless "on sale" for $89.) They also lots of .40 cal in the same brand, which was not of interest to me.

The conspicuously bare shelves were for .223/5.56 and .22LR. I can imagine why the first type has been cleaned out but am having a harder time understanding why .22LR has recently become scarce.

[jimsea]

My WM said they couldn't get enough from the distributer.

It will be interesting to find out what the real deal is.

[Cubby]

Confirmed by the manager in SW FL.

What was confirmed??

[aray]

I for one just don't understand the crazed ammo buying. The high capacity magazines I can understand, as well as the firearms that seem to be under assault, since those things could be hard to come by in the near future. But ammo? They aren't going to stop making ammo. I suppose they could tax it to death, and maybe that's what it's about, I don't know.


I think there are two issues at play here:

1) The herd mentality. People are buying all-things-gun whether it makes sense or not.

2) A lot of people just bought a lot of new guns. They're buying ammunition for it, which temporarily causes a shortage due to the surge. (They're also going to the ranges to try out all of their new guns - which is why the last time I went to the range they told me it was a two hour wait. I left...)

[wyntrout]

"Herd-mentality"?? It's more like a shark feeding frenzy with blood and chum in the water!!

Wynn:D

[KoolBreeze]

I think there are two issues at play here:

1) The herd mentality. People are buying all-things-gun whether it makes sense or not.

2) A lot of people just bought a lot of new guns. They're buying ammunition for it, which temporarily causes a shortage due to the surge. (They're also going to the ranges to try out all of their new guns - which is why the last time I went to the range they told me it was a two hour wait. I left...)

That's just one more reason that I'm proud to be a country boy. I can walk out in my back yard and shoot all I want, any time I want, with no wait. haha. You have a point though about folks needing ammo for their new guns, I guess that could be some of it. But then you have others that are just buying because it's in short supply.

[eklipto101]

The wal-mart here in columbia it's out of .9mm but they have a pretty good deal on Federal 45acp... 100 block for $29.95

[Booker T]

Fiocchi is actually very good ammo and from my experience is very clean burning, which I can't always say about some more well known American ammo.
They use Hornady's XTP projectile in their HP ammo.

[KCAutoBob]

During this last month, I've made several trips to 2 Walmarts in my area (Monterey Co., CA) and their.45acp, .40 and 9mm especially, have been in scarce supply due to higher than usual demand, but they're still stocking these calibers, but I was still able to buy several hundred rounds of WWB, Federal, and Remington in 100 rd. boxes. Each time it was the older store that had stuff in stock. Price didn't seem to have gone up noticeably either.
Now my LGS/pistol range had plenty of range ammo on hand. It was the guns that were in short supply, especially the assssault rifles! Me, I've got my old Ruger Mini-14 to rely on--it always works. Hey, so does my Kahr, Yeehah!

[otis2]

I've had no issues with any Fiocchi FMJ in any of my handguns, excellent ammo. Based on the trouble I had with their hollowpoints feeding in my P380, I haven't purchased or tried them in my PM9.

Double Tap makes a 90 gr round that cycles very well in my PM9 and performs very well ballistically.

YMMV

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[wyntrout]

Montery County... Is Monterey located there? I had my first run-in with the law out there... test firing my new Rohm .22 pistol... purchased at age 18 and after a 5-day or whatever wait back in 1965. My buddy and I went up to the "forest" on top of the hill there and shot the heck out of that pistol into the dirt hill side of the road up there... country to me!

As we were going down the hill, we found a police officer and his patrol car stuck in a ditch. We stopped to help him and he asked if we were the ones shooting... yep. We helped him out of the ditch and he gave us some kind of citation or reported our misdeed to the Company Commander... no fine, but we were not allowed to leave the post for a month... the Presidio of Monterey... DLIWC... run by the Army.

On top of the hill like that, it was hard for the people to figure out where the sound was coming from, as it went in all directions.

That was back in the good old days... had to be 21 to drink, but could buy guns... even a pistol at age 18... in Commiefornia!!

Yes... just checked... Monterey County is a good portion of Mid-California. Another buddy and I went pig hunting once down in one of those National Forests in 1973... didn't see a pig, but my buddy and I saw ONE tiny deer about 50 yards away up the hill a bit. He shot at it... right next to my right ear... with his sporterized 8mm Mauser... complete miss, but deafened me and really pissed me off. I don't recall , but we weren't hunting deer!

Wynn:D

[Scoundrel]

I think there are two issues at play here:

1) The herd mentality. People are buying all-things-gun whether it makes sense or not.

2) A lot of people just bought a lot of new guns. They're buying ammunition for it, which temporarily causes a shortage due to the surge. (They're also going to the ranges to try out all of their new guns - which is why the last time I went to the range they told me it was a two hour wait. I left...)

3) A lot of the anti-gunners are also raising a cry about putting limits on the amount of ammo a person can buy or own in a given time period. So people are buying up as much ammo as they can find before restrictions are enacted.

[KoolBreeze]

Montery County... Is Monterey located there? I had my first run-in with the law out there... test firing my new Rohm .22 pistol... purchased at age 18 and after a 5-day or whatever wait back in 1965. My buddy and I went up to the "forest" on top of the hill there and shot the heck out of that pistol into the dirt hill side of the road up there... country to me!

As we were going down the hill, we found a police officer and his patrol car stuck in a ditch. We stopped to help him and he asked if we were the ones shooting... yep. We helped him out of the ditch and he gave us some kind of citation or reported our misdeed to the Company Commander... no fine, but we were not allowed to leave the post for a month... the Presidio of Monterey... DLIWC... run by the Army.

On top of the hill like that, it was hard for the people to figure out where the sound was coming from, as it went in all directions.

That was back in the good old days... had to be 21 to drink, but could buy guns... even a pistol at age 18... in Commiefornia!!

Yes... just checked... Monterey County is a good portion of Mid-California. Another buddy and I went pig hunting once down in one of those National Forests in 1973... didn't see a pig, but my buddy and I saw ONE tiny deer about 50 yards away up the hill a bit. He shot at it... right next to my right ear... with his sporterized 8mm Mauser... complete miss, but deafened me and really pissed me off. I don't recall , but we weren't hunting deer!

Wynn:D

21 to drink in 1965 in CA? Wow, that didn't get bumped up from 18 until the mid-1980s here. Of course the bootlegger we bought from when I was growing up never really cared how old we were. Haha. We use to ride our bicycles up to his convenience store, buy a 6 pack, and drink it on the way back. Couldn't have been much more than 12 or 13 at the time.

[wyntrout]

I went to high skrool in Natchez, MS, and we had to drive across the bridge to Vidalia where there was a C&G market. You just had to get money on the counter. I remember the special for a while was a half-bottle of Gallo Tokay wine for 25¢. We would get those and drive back to Natchez where we would go to the Dairy Queen and get a big cup of ice and a straw... for a nickel... just right! That was when you only had to have your draft registration card... 18 or 18 1/2.

Wynn:D

[chrish]

Guys. Get 'em while they are hot.

SG got a good bit of 9mm in, they were totally out earlier today.

http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunition/9mm-9x19

Me, I'm going for a Krispy Kreme...

[Scoundrel]

Wish that Aguila stuff didn't make me feel like I just snorted ammonia.

[Tinman507]

Thanks for the heads up. Just bought a case of range fodder.

[RRP]

I bought a case, too. Thanks for the tip.

[chrish]

Glad you guys got some, it won't last but a few hours I suspect, if history the last couple of weeks repeats itself. They had about half that much first of the week and it was gone in 3 hours or less.

[Ikeo74]

And I thought I was old. Can't remember those prices.;)

[newCW45guy]

And I thought I was old. Can't remember those prices.;)

LOL That's more than $100 more than I paid for 100rds of .45acp UMC ammo I rcd this week.

Guess if you got it someone will pay for it.

[RRP]

LOL That's more than $100 more than I paid for 100rds of .45acp UMC ammo I rcd this week.

Guess if you got it someone will pay for it.

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying I bought a case of 1000 rounds, for $100 more than you paid for a box of 100?

[Scoundrel]

I make it a policy to utterly disregard messages in which someone says "LOL" and seems to be making a disparaging remark or saying that they got something WAY better.

[RRP]

I think that's a good practice.

[SickMAK90]

I talked to the sporting goods manager yesterday, and was told they will still carry everything, including ARs.

They did make a 6 box limit on ammo, but I can live with that.

[chrish]

I talked to the sporting goods manager yesterday, and was told they will still carry everything, including ARs.

They did make a 6 box limit on ammo, but I can live with that.


If I ran into 6 boxes of 9mm at a Walmart BEFORE this latest frenzied rush, I think I'd have peed myself.

[SickMAK90]

After the election I came in and bought 1000 rounds of federal Fmj 9mm.

[wyntrout]

I'm still using Walmart Federal Champion from the LAST shortage... 6 boxes at a time at under $10 a box. I bought some every time I went to a Walmart.

There was plenty of ammo at the gun show yesterday and they prices seemed to be about the same as the last show in that location... but the GUNS had gone up... the "assault" kind... rockbat Chinese SKS's were $500 and any others were $800 on up. The nice ones, folding stock, or not were $799 and now they were $1,499 and up... sometimes WAY UP. You could have added $1,000 to any of the other AR/M1A/Euro308's... or even more. Pistols seemed unaffected, but some 9mm's like the G19 were gone.

All I bought were two MecGar Beretta A21 mags for my buddy who found that I was on my way to the show and he had other plans with his wife.

Wynn:)

[RRP]

Just returned from Walmart. On this visit, they had three 250 round Remington UMC Mega Packs, in .40 S&W. The clerk told me the 9mm sold earlier in the day.

Stock is still trickling in. Finding what you need is hit-or-miss.

[7shot]

We got a gun show coming up here in Austin next week, gonna pick up as much 9mm as I can afford. Our local Cabela's or Academy has been spotty at best since this madness started.

[unworthy]

I got a grab bag of different stuff today at two separate walmarts. The first one had federal champion and UMC. The second had PPU. The first one was limiting people to a max of 1 100 round box of federal and 2 boxes of UMC. Second one didn't seem to care how much you bought.

[E the B]

Are you sure it wasn't the customers that pulled the ammo off the shelves?

Walmart hasn't pulled ammo off the shelves in Ohio. My local WM got a shipment of 9's on the shelf Monday morning and they were gone by noon. The clerk said she fields at least 20 calls a day asking about ammo.

[downtownv]

I got into reloading just before Christmas. The supply prices were reasonable, I stocked up...... Just in time:D

[AIRret]

Walmart, Meijers, Bass Pro shop and just about every where else can't keep ammo. in stock. Of the local gun ranges that I am familiar with they won't even sell you non self defense rounds unless you buy range time and you are still restricted to what you can shoot in an hours time. I can't blame them. If you don't have bullets, they loose the range
fee.
On Sat. we stopped at Bass Pro shop. They normally have around 100 hand guns, but on that day they were down to 4 auto. and 2 cowboy revolvers!!!!!

[chrish]

It doesn't seem to be slowing down, in fact, I think it's sped up in the last week. Yesterday I happened to hit SGAMMO.com late morning. They had 65 cases of Winchester Super-X 147gr (my target round choice). I am pretty well stocked on that, so didn't immediately jump. I got a phone call and then responded to an email, then thought 'why not' and went back 30 minutes later, gone. And they were limiting to 2 cases per customer. So 32 customers in 30 minutes, 32500 rounds. Evaporated.

It's definitely crazy.