Bidens Recommendations

[Longitude Zero]

My take is this:

1. An all out assault weapons ban
2. Ban all magazines unless 10 rounds
3. Require registration retroactivley and going foraward.
4. Reguire ALL firearms sale be made thru an FFL w a mandatory background check
5. Set up a committee to look into the mental health issue
6. There will be NO Sunset Clause this time.

The term assault weapon will probably include certain shotguns also. I have seen a letter Kel Tec sent to stocking distributors and dealers that immediately jacked the price of the KSG by $300 so that they hopefully recover thier development costs before a feared ban. Personally I consider that behavior despicable.

[chrish]

What's gonna be interesting and cause blood pressures to go up this week will be what Obama and his lawyers think can be achieved thru EO.

I still have hope that he cannot get enough votes to push 1, 2, and maybe 3 thru Congress.

4 he might pull an EO trick, though I'm not sure how, but I think at a minimum he could make this happen for gun shows (there are FFLs on the property therefore private sales cannot legally occur). But private sales otherwise, not seeing how he's gonna pre-empt state law without Congressional action.

I agree...before all is said and done, 'Assault Weapon' will mean not only ARs, AKs, pretty much everything on the 94 list and anything new that has come out. Any shotgun w/ more than 5 rounds. Any shotgun w/ an 18.5" barrel, pistol grip, rail(s), or ghost sights. Any pistol like an FN 5.7. I wouldn't be surprised to see normal 'duty' type weapons make the list. Again, can't see HOW this could make it thru Congress, but we do have ObamaCare.

Also, don't forget the 'tax' angle. That's one that he knows that if he can get it thru Congress, the SCOTUS will back it 100%. I think he can much more easily tax guns and ammo out of existence (from legal people) than he can get other legislation thru. Congress is DRUNK on our money and he'll more easily get the establishment 'conservatives' on board w/ that if they get paid for it.

[Barth]

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[wyntrout]

Any time you use "assault" for the so-called "assault weapons", it should be in quotes! It's a made-up BS designation of normal semi-autos based on a few evil-looking, cosmetic characteristics that they might possess, especially heat shields and pistol grips, etc... coming from people who know nothing about and hate citizens being armed with anything!

The same is true for "high-capacity" magazines, as opposed to STANDARD capacity which fit within the grip of a pistol.

Wynn:)

[knkali]

My take is this:

1. An all out assault weapons ban
2. Ban all magazines unless 10 rounds
3. Require registration retroactivley and going foraward.
4. Reguire ALL firearms sale be made thru an FFL w a mandatory background check
5. Set up a committee to look into the mental health issue
6. There will be NO Sunset Clause this time.

The term assault weapon will probably include certain shotguns also. I have seen a letter Kel Tec sent to stocking distributors and dealers that immediately jacked the price of the KSG by $300 so that they hopefully recover thier development costs before a feared ban. Personally I consider that behavior despicable.

sadly, I think you are spot on

[downtownv]

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[MikeyKahr]

Classic line from Obama's press conference - The gun companies are to blame for the recent surge in gun and ammo sales.

Did he really graduate from Harvard? Is this really how much our POTUS knows about economics? Hmmm...gun sales have been rising more dramatically since 2008 and spiked before and after November 2012. Coincidence? Yes, the gun companies are at fault, Mr. President.
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Jon Karl.

Q: Thank you, Mr. President. On the issue of guns, given how difficult it will be, some would say impossible, to get any gun control measure passed through this Congress, what are you willing or able to do using the powers of your presidency to act without Congress? And I'd also like to know, what do you make of these long lines we’re seeing at gun shows and gun stores all around the country? I mean, even in Connecticut, applications for guns are up since the shooting in Newtown.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, my understanding is, the vice president's going to provide a range of steps that we can take to reduce gun violence. Some of them will require legislation; some of them I can accomplish through executive action.

And so I'll be reviewing those today, and as I said, I’ll speak in more detail to what we’re going to go ahead and propose later in the week.

But I'm confident that there are some steps that we can take that don't require legislation and that are within my authority as president. And where you get a step that has the opportunity to reduce the possibility of gun violence, then I want to go ahead and take it.

Q: Any idea of what the time frame for that is?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, I think, for example, how we are gathering data, for example, on guns that fall into the hands of criminals and how we track that more effectively -- there may be some steps that we can take administratively, as opposed -- through legislation.

As far as people lining up and purchasing more guns, you know, I think that we've seen for some time now that those who oppose any common-sense gun control or gun safety measures have a pretty effective way of ginning up fear on the part of gun owners that somehow the federal government's about to take all your guns away. And you know, that -- there's probably an economic element to that. It obviously is good for business.

But I think that, you know, those of us who look at this problem have repeatedly said that responsible gun owners, people who have a gun for protection, for hunting, for sportsmanship -- they don't have anything to worry about. The issue here is not whether or not we believe in the Second Amendment.

The issue is, are there some sensible steps that we can take to make sure that somebody like the individual in Newtown can't walk into a school and gun down a bunch of children in a -- in a shockingly rapid fashion? And surely we can do something about that.

And -- but -- you know, but -- but part of the challenge that, you know, we confront is, is that even the sight -- slightest hint of some sensible, responsible legislation in this area stands this notion that somehow here it comes and that everybody's guns are going to be taken away.

It's unfortunate, but that's the case, and if you look at -- over the first four years of my administration, we've tried to tighten up and enforce some of the laws that were already on the books. But it'd be pretty hard to argue that somehow gun owners have had their rights infringed.

[Longitude Zero]

I have a friend who happens to be a very PRO Second Amendment attorney. I was curious if I ordered an AR-15 now and before it was delivered the "G" passed a ban would I be able to take delivery. He said definitely NO. That unless the weapon was in your hand prior to a ban you and everybody else who have undelivered orders are SOL.

Locally my rep has said that there are rumblings of taxing ammo to death. That is an area that there is really no recourse to. The facts are we have the right to keep and bear arms but as for possession of the ammunition required the courts have been moot as it has not been an issue before.

Regardless this imperial asshat in the WH thinks he has the mandate to do as he pleases on this and other issues and is going to do precisely that and dare the rest of us to go to court to fight him on it.

[wyntrout]

Dang! I think that I'll have to call the range and see if they have "range ammo" for me to shoot before going there, so I can save MY ammo!

Wynn:)

[Scoundrel]

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[Barth]

Already have my AK delivered and plenty of mags.
I'm hoping the retroactive registration crap will fail.
As for ammo?
I'm thinking online sales will be banned.
But loads of ammo I don't have.....

May have to fold and load up on that too.

CRAP

Who ever thought the greatest risk to our freedom would come from our own government?

[wyntrout]

I inventoried and stocked up from online sources (and Walmart... on the road) last year... months ago... much easier and cheaper then!

Wynn:)

[Scoundrel]

While it may be comforting to think that by NOT loading up on ammo now, you will be taking the moral high ground and not contributing to the frenzy, that will be cold comfort if they do kill online ammo sales, or limit the amount that can be purchased at one time, or if there is a heavy tax imposed.

These 9mm rounds I just posted are more than twice the price of basic FMJ target ammo as of a couple of months ago. But, these are JHP, and they're available now, without the limitations that the anti-gun folks want.

Given that most of the LGSs are rationing ammo, WalMart has stopped ordering more, and the President is talking about executive orders, I'm willing to pay a little more now.

I just ordered up a couple of cases.

[getsome]

I have seen a Federal ammo tax (who knows how high) to get around the 2nd amendment deal coming for a long time and now I won't be surprised if reloading equipment and supplies are either taxed to the moon or made outright illegal much like alcohol is illegal to make at home so we may all become ammo moonshiners on the lookout for the ATF Revenuers so we can roll our own....

I pretty much fear that OP Longitude Zeros list is about spot on as far as what Obummer is going to try for and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they include banning all Hollow Point ammo for civilian use, after all isn't all Hollow Point ammo only good for armor piercing cop killer and puppy hunting use????

[les strat]

Coming from an administration that dumped thousands of weapons into Mexican drug cartel's hands and killed hundreds of innocent people, this is the biggest bunch of horse sh!t I have ever heard. If ANYONE thinks this is not about people control, they are ignorant fools devoid of any knowledge of history. And probably crabby.

This list will not save one life, but many will die because of it.

[chrish]

While it may be comforting to think that by NOT loading up on ammo now, you will be taking the moral high ground and not contributing to the frenzy, that will be cold comfort if they do kill online ammo sales, or limit the amount that can be purchased at one time, or if there is a heavy tax imposed.

These 9mm rounds I just posted are more than twice the price of basic FMJ target ammo as of a couple of months ago. But, these are JHP, and they're available now, without the limitations that the anti-gun folks want.

Given that most of the LGSs are rationing ammo, WalMart has stopped ordering more, and the President is talking about executive orders, I'm willing to pay a little more now.

I just ordered up a couple of cases.

Amen on that, I made two bulk orders online before Christmas and glad I did. It's still not enough, but will hold me for awhile.

But since then, the prices at the same place I bought went up, before they totally ran out (SGAMMO). What I bought went up 20% and 50% respectively after Jan 1. They are now totally bare and void of .22, .223, and most all handgun rounds, especially 9mm and .45

Buy it if you can find it. But I'm not gonna pay 3x the price. I've seen 9mm Rem Golden Sabre going for $45/box ... yikes.

[chrish]

Coming from an administration that dumped thousands of weapons into Mexican drug cartel's hands and killed hundreds of innocent people, this is the biggest bunch of horse sh!t I have ever heard. If ANYONE thinks this is not about people control, they are ignorant fools devoid of any history. And probably crabby.

This list will not save one life, but many will die because of it.

Yep, it won't matter if you reload or buy it ready to shoot. If they DO tax it or regulate it, it'll include reloading supplies as well. They are evil commies, but they aren't stupid evil commies.

[Barth]

The real sadness to me is the average citizen may not be able to afford to
shoot enough to get and stay proficient with their self defense weapon.

Again, putting innocent lives at risk.

Taxation without representation was a catalyst for founding this country.
Once again taxation comes around to erode and attack our freedom.

BTW ObummerCare is a tax.
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[Scoundrel]

Want to hear something else sad?

Most Americans don't know what an eagle sounds like. They think eagles make a harsh, piercing shriek, because every new clip and movie scene involving an eagle includes that sound effect, which is actually a hawk.

Eagles actually make a wimpy noise that nobody thinks is austere or commanding, so nobody uses that in the media.

And most people don't even know they're being lied to about that.

[yqtszhj]

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50 rounds per box; 20 boxes per case
1,000 ROUNDS DELIVERED
Availability: 19 in stock
$399.00
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9mm LUGER (9x19) FEDERAL CLASSIC HI-SHOCK 115 GRAIN JACKETED HOLLOW POINT
1,000 ROUNDS DELIVERED
Availability: 20 in stock
$399.00
http://www.ammoman.com/p/437/9mm-luger-9x19-federal-115-grain-jhp-9bp

That price has gone up $5 a box in the last 3 months. I bought it for $14.95 a box before the election. They wanted $28 locally for the same stuff right before Christmas because the local store couldn't get any other 9mm ammo.

[Scoundrel]

I'm not saying it's a good price.
I'm saying it's available.
Right now, that makes it a good deal for those who can afford it.