Wow, NY is gonna go after your 1911, Kahr T-series, and...

[chrish]

...and I guess quite a few other single stack CCW pistol...

unbelievable, gonna try and drop it from 10 rounds to 7. they got some big'uns in NY.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Gun-Control-Assault-Weapons-Ban-Magazines-Limit-Cuomo-NY-186794151.html

maybe I should take my P9 off-sale, they might want my TP9 :-)

glad I don't live in NY...

[Longitude Zero]

And in NY that crap just might pass. Quermo and Bloomturds ultimate goals are irradication and confiscation.

[les strat]

Once again, if no one complies to an unconstitutional law, they can't enforce it. Screw em is what I say.

One more reason to stay the heck out of that state.

[yqtszhj]

I saw a show on Fox of the CCW holders that were published in NT and they said no way they were giving up their guns, period.

[chrish]

So, with a "Republican" (and I use that term loosely and sarcastically), NY will be banning the vast majority of semi-auto handguns along with "assault" weapons.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/14/ap-sources-new-york-has-tentative-deal-on-gun-control/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/nyregion/new-york-legislators-hope-for-speedy-vote-on-gun-laws.html?partner=MYWAY&ei=5065&_r=1&

The expanded ban on assault weapons would broaden the definition of such weapons, banning semiautomatic pistols and rifles with detachable magazines and one military-style feature, as well as semiautomatic shotguns with one military-style feature. New Yorkers who already own such guns could keep them but would be required to register them with the state.

What exactly ya' think is a military-style feature? I have to suspect a rail, anything that COULD hold a mag w/ more than 10 rounds (even though they are banning > 7 rounds as well), maybe anything all black?

As I've said before. All it's gonna take is a mass shooting with a revolver + speed loaders or someone w/ a <= 7 round semo-automatic and a brown bag full of mags and ammo and handguns in their entirety will be the NEXT to go in NY.

[aray]

It's now a law, not a bill. It was pushed through in 3 days, start to finish. No public hearings were held. Gov. Cuomo has already signed it.

Here is the link to the law:

http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S2230-2013

And here are some of the highlights:

* Magazines over 10 rounds now illegal to possess. Yes that means selling them now, confiscation, or you become a criminal.
* No more purchase of magazines over 7 rounds.
* If you have an old magazine that has 8-10 rounds you may keep it grandfathered in, but it is illegal to load more than 7 rounds into the mag.
* All ammunition sales to be regulated with a background check each time.
* If you order ammo over the internet it must be delivered to an in-state vendor who is capable of doing a background check before it can be given to you.
* All private face-to-face sales of guns are illegal. Background checks for all sales.
* All assault weapons are banned henceforth, and the defintion of assault weapons are expanded (more on that below). You can grandfather in currently owned weapons (but not the mags; see above). And you can't sell grandfathered in assault weapons.
* The new defintion of assault weapons is follows (long so I inserted the exact language below. Note that you only need one characteristic to be considered an assault weapon:


S 37. Subdivision 22 of section 265.00 of the penal law, as added by
chapter 189 of the laws of 2000, is amended to read as follows:
22. "Assault weapon" means
(A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE
MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:
(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;
(II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION OF
THE WEAPON;
(III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;
(IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
NON-TRIGGER HAND;
(V) A BAYONET MOUNT;
(VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED
BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR
MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;
(VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER; OR
S. 2230 19 A. 2388
(B) A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING
CHARACTERISTICS:
(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;
(II) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;
(III) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
NON-TRIGGER HAND;
(IV) A FIXED MAGAZINE CAPACITY IN EXCESS OF SEVEN ROUNDS;
(V) AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; OR
(C) A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE
MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:
(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;
(II) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;
(III) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
NON-TRIGGER HAND;
(IV) CAPACITY TO ACCEPT AN AMMUNITION MAGAZINE THAT ATTACHES TO THE
PISTOL OUTSIDE OF THE PISTOL GRIP;
(V) A THREADED BARREL CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING A BARREL EXTENDER, FLASH
SUPPRESSOR, FORWARD HANDGRIP, OR SILENCER;
(VI) A SHROUD THAT IS ATTACHED TO, OR PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY ENCIR
CLES, THE BARREL AND THAT PERMITS THE SHOOTER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH
THE NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED;
(VII) A MANUFACTURED WEIGHT OF FIFTY OUNCES OR MORE WHEN THE PISTOL IS
UNLOADED; OR
(VIII) A SEMIAUTOMATIC VERSION OF AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR
FIREARM;
(D) A REVOLVING CYLINDER SHOTGUN;
(E) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE, A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN OR A SEMIAUTOMATIC
PISTOL OR WEAPON DEFINED IN SUBPARAGRAPH (V) OF PARAGRAPH (E) OF SUBDI
VISION TWENTY-TWO OF SECTION 265.00 OF THIS CHAPTER AS ADDED BY CHAPTER
ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY-NINE OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND AND OTHERWISE
LAWFULLY POSSESSED PURSUANT TO SUCH CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND
PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER FOURTEENTH, NINETEEN HUNDRED NINETY-FOUR;
(F) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE, A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN OR A SEMIAUTOMATIC
PISTOL OR WEAPON DEFINED IN PARAGRAPH (A), (B) OR (C) OF THIS SUBDIVI
SION, POSSESSED PRIOR TO THE DATE OF ENACTMENT OF THE CHAPTER OF THE
LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH;
(G) PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE:
(I) ANY RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL THAT (A) IS MANUALLY OPERATED BY
BOLT, PUMP, LEVER OR SLIDE ACTION; (B) HAS BEEN RENDERED PERMANENTLY
INOPERABLE; OR (C) IS AN ANTIQUE FIREARM AS DEFINED IN 18 U.S.C.
921(A)(16);
(II) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT CANNOT ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE
THAT HOLDS MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION;
(III) A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT CANNOT HOLD MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS
OF AMMUNITION IN A FIXED OR DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; OR
(IV) A RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL, OR A REPLICA OR A DUPLICATE THEREOF,
SPECIFIED IN APPENDIX A TO 18 U.S.C. 922 AS SUCH WEAPON WAS MANUFACTURED
ON OCTOBER FIRST, NINETEEN HUNDRED NINETY-THREE. THE MERE FACT THAT A
WEAPON IS NOT LISTED IN APPENDIX A SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED TO MEAN THAT
SUCH WEAPON IS AN ASSAULT WEAPON;
(V) ANY WEAPON VALIDLY REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION SIXTEEN-A OF
SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER. SUCH WEAPONS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE
PROVISIONS OF PARAGRAPH (H) OF THIS SUBDIVISION;
(VI) ANY FIREARM, RIFLE, OR SHOTGUN THAT WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST
FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO THE CURRENT DATE, BUT NOT INCLUDING REPLICAS THERE
S. 2230 20 A. 2388
OF THAT IS VALIDLY REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION SIXTEEN-A OF
SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER;
(H) ANY WEAPON DEFINED IN PARAGRAPH (E) OR (F) OF THIS SUBDIVISION AND
ANY LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE THAT WAS LEGALLY POSSESSED
BY AN INDIVIDUAL PRIOR TO THE ENACTMENT OF THE CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF
TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH, MAY ONLY BE SOLD TO,
EXCHANGED WITH OR DISPOSED OF TO A PURCHASER AUTHORIZED TO POSSESS SUCH
WEAPONS OR TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY OUTSIDE OF THE STATE PROVIDED THAT
ANY SUCH TRANSFER TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY OUTSIDE OF THE STATE MUST
BE REPORTED TO THE ENTITY WHEREIN THE WEAPON IS REGISTERED WITHIN SEVEN
TY-TWO HOURS OF SUCH TRANSFER. AN INDIVIDUAL WHO TRANSFERS ANY SUCH
WEAPON OR LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION DEVICE TO AN INDIVIDUAL INSIDE NEW
YORK STATE OR WITHOUT COMPLYING WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THIS PARAGRAPH
SHALL BE GUILTY OF A CLASS A MISDEMEANOR UNLESS SUCH LARGE CAPACITY
AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE, THE POSSESSION OF WHICH IS MADE ILLEGAL BY
THE CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARA
GRAPH, IS TRANSFERRED WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHAP
TER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH

Sadly, some former pro-gun legislators switched sides and voted for this bill (now law). Do not assume that any legislator is safe. Contact all of your local, state, and federal representatives & senators even if you believe they formerly were on our side!

[aray]

Oh, I should add, this law does not exempt hunters. All hunting rifles and even shotguns must be registered. 22s also. Even to buy a pack of shotgun shells will require a background investigation - each and every time.

[les strat]

"VIII.
(II) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT CANNOT ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE
THAT HOLDS MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION;"

So a tube-fed Marlin Model 60 .22 is now illegal? What a stupid Nazi law.

Make Cuomo & Bloomberg's goons plus all the LEO's carry 7 rounds or less and none of the features mentioned above. That's fair.

Weapon, ammo, and accessory manufacturers should boycott sales to LEO's of the state of NY. Actually, they already have started, and I hope many of the big names do the same. DISARM THEM, or at least make it hard for them to get anything.

[aray]

This is going to spread to other states. On Friday we expect to see my state (MD) introduce a raft of new gun laws. We're aware of other states planning the same. And it's about 45 mins. from when it is reported that Obama will introduce what he's going to do at the federal level.

We're going to need the help of hunters, sportsmen, and other outdoorsmen. We need their support. The self defense and target shooter crowd alone aren't going to be sufficient. If you know any venue in which you can convey that message I urge you to do so.

The anti-gunners would like to split us apart. But I like this quote that someone else crafted about splitting apart the gun community:


Hunters know better than politicians what happens to those split from the herd.

[muggsy]

So, with a "Republican" (and I use that term loosely and sarcastically), NY will be banning the vast majority of semi-auto handguns along with "assault" weapons.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/14/ap-sources-new-york-has-tentative-deal-on-gun-control/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/nyregion/new-york-legislators-hope-for-speedy-vote-on-gun-laws.html?partner=MYWAY&ei=5065&_r=1&


What exactly ya' think is a military-style feature? I have to suspect a rail, anything that COULD hold a mag w/ more than 10 rounds (even though they are banning > 7 rounds as well), maybe anything all black?

As I've said before. All it's gonna take is a mass shooting with a revolver + speed loaders or someone w/ a <= 7 round semo-automatic and a brown bag full of mags and ammo and handguns in their entirety will be the NEXT to go in NY.

Not all republicans are conservative and not all democrats are liberal. That's only true in the majority of the cases.