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Keeper
01-16-2013, 12:59 PM
My dealer recommended putting 300 rounds through my PM9 before taking it apart. I can't find anything in my manual about cleaning it first.

I have about 70 rounds through it as is. Should I take it apart and look for any specific issues using before cleaning may have caused?

MikeyKahr
01-16-2013, 01:24 PM
I cleaned mine before my first range trip and I am thankful I did. It had enough lubrication in it for 10 PM9s.
I don't think you'll have any issues, but it may get dirty quicker with all the extra lube than normal.

Tilos
01-16-2013, 01:25 PM
Read this:
http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1521

And this:
http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=308

wyntrout
01-16-2013, 01:25 PM
Welcome to the Kahrtalk forum supported by Kahr Arms.
Here are a few essential links and things to do BEFORE you take your new pistol to the range, and ESPECIALLY BEFORE taking it apart and trying to re-assemble it! The Kahr is a different design… 6-7 unique patents cover the Kahrs. I’m not trying to imply that you don’t know anything about guns, but many don’t know anything about the Kahrs and some of the things you can do to damage or cause malfunctions of your new, or new-to-you Kahr pistol.
First, if you don’t have a manual, yet, or one didn’t come with your pistol, you can download the pdf file here:
http://www.kahr.com/PDF/kahrmanual.pdf
Impatient? Watch one of these videos FIRST! These videos can point out possible problem areas and emphasize correct procedures!
Take down and re-assembly videos:
T, TP, CW, P, & PM/CM Series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G2cZgVg_SwA
MK series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zXmSCnIOaUk#t=0s
K series:
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9-Elite.asp
There are many links on fixing problems listed in several places… under the New Member or Kahr Tech sub-forums.
A very handy one is the Kahr Lube Diagram:
http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14750
Many of your questions can be answered in these areas and you can learn how your Kahr works and not damage it with improper handling.
Frequently asked questions: http://www.kahr.com/faq.asp?
There are many helpful members here most of the time who might be able to help you, but as anywhere, there are many opinions and not all are correct. Be mindful of this before doing anything drastic to modify your pistol!
Wynn
Aka wyntrout

97hmcs
01-16-2013, 01:32 PM
From the Owners Manual:

Cleaning & Lubrication

Before the initial shooting of the new KAHR
Pistol, the pistol should be disassembled following
the instructions in this manual and
cleaned with a commercial gun cleaning solvent.
After each shooting session, the cleaning
process should be repeated to remove firing
residue from the inside and outside of the
Barrel, Slide, Frame and Magazine.
Once cleaned, all parts should be lightly lubricated
with a commercial gun lubricant. Follow solvent
and lubricant manufacturer’s instructions.

Keeper
01-16-2013, 03:06 PM
From the Owners Manual:

Cleaning & Lubrication

Before the initial shooting of the new KAHR [ . . . ]

I was able to use a word search of that text with the electronic version of the manual to find it buried on page 24. Missed that. Dealer didn't help.

That's all great info and I've read/seen most of it already. The question is about a PM9 that wasn't cleaned for the first 70 rounds. What are the real consequences if any? If I take it apart now, what issues should I look for?

RRP
01-16-2013, 03:29 PM
The question is about a PM9 that wasn't cleaned for the first 70 rounds. What are the real consequences if any? If I take it apart now, what issues should I look for?

Zero consequences. Clean it now and keep shooting it.

O'Dell
01-16-2013, 03:31 PM
All good advice. I always clean and lube any new or used pistol before I shoot it.

jocko
01-16-2013, 03:32 PM
My dealer recommended putting 300 rounds through my PM9 before taking it apart. I can't find anything in my manual about cleaning it first.

I have about 70 rounds through it as is. Should I take it apart and look for any specific issues using before cleaning may have caused?

find anutter dealer,Just sayin

cleaning your new gun is not taking it completely apart eiter. Actally no difference than cleaning any gun u have owned before and shot it and then came home and cleaned it. Because it is new does not mean it is right, Many guns are packed with alot of excess lubricante for the maker has no clue how long this gun might sit somehwere in a dealers inventory before being sold, yadda yadda.

Dopesnt mean the gun won't work out opf the box and most indeed will do just that, Just most owners manuals and especally this forum is just asking a owner to error on the side of caution and clean and inspect the gun before that first range trip.U cvertainly didn'turt anything by what u did either, so now get to know ur gun better, give it a good cleaning as many excellentposts here will help u do. U do two things in that. #1, u cleaned the gun andu know it is all OK, #2 u got a better knowlege of how the guns looks and works etc..
Good forum here, these guys know their sh!t, so please do listeon to them.

muggsy
01-16-2013, 03:41 PM
My dealer recommended putting 300 rounds through my PM9 before taking it apart. I can't find anything in my manual about cleaning it first.

I have about 70 rounds through it as is. Should I take it apart and look for any specific issues using before cleaning may have caused?

Your dealer is an idiot. Every new gun should be cleaned before you fire it for the first time.

jocko
01-16-2013, 03:58 PM
Muggsy, u have such a great and classey way with words. I only wish I was half as good at it as u are. Just sayin

yqtszhj
01-16-2013, 04:18 PM
Muggsy, u have such a great and classey way with words. I only wish I was half as good at it as u are. Just sayin

I thought you two were related somehow. :D

yqtszhj
01-16-2013, 04:22 PM
Welcome to the forum by the way. Lots of good information here too.

Cleaning before the range trip is just a good habit. After it's been sitting or after being carried for a while it's a good idea to clean and lube it also. I found that out the hard way with another pistol I own. Stuff like lube will dry up and gunk things in a bad way.

jocko
01-16-2013, 04:26 PM
I thought you two were related somehow. :D

Muggsy is my mentor:D What u read from my posts I have learned from Muggsy. Honest:D

Keeper
01-16-2013, 04:57 PM
Your dealer is an idiot. Every new gun should be cleaned before you fire it for the first time.

Apparently. I thought it was odd, but supposedly they are the experts. Shows you how often that isn't the case.

FWIW, the gun shot great. My first two shots were in a two inch circle at 16 feet. No FTF or FTE issues. All shots within 6". First time shooting a pistol in decades.

Bawanna
01-16-2013, 05:26 PM
Idiot might be a little bit of a strong word. Nobody except maybe Jocko and maybe Greg knows everything about every gun. Many have their own set of peculiarities much like myself but that's too long a story.

Many folks behind the counter of a gun shop are just like the folks on the floor at the appliance store, they vary from very knowing to completely clueless and every where in between.

They may also be trying to sell you by suggesting it doesn't need anything just shoot it. Probably 99 percent will run out of the box. The issue is you don't always know how long a particular gun set in a warehouse or on a shelf in your dealers storage room. So cleaning prior to the first shoot is a good thing.

No worries on not doing it, you didn't hurt a thing, don't give it another thought.

Clean it, lube it and go have fun again and come back and tell us about it, so much better than all the other stuff we're talking about lately.

jocko
01-16-2013, 06:13 PM
to be put in the same class as gregg is an honor that I will wear with pride, Now u are gonna have to explain to gregg how in the hell u came up with that conclusion to. Just sayin.

I would say ur in deep sh!t tryin to talk ur way outta that to. Gregg has pride, u know. I have none and u know that to.

Keeper
01-16-2013, 06:59 PM
The issue is you don't always know how long a particular gun set in a warehouse or on a shelf in your dealers storage room. So cleaning prior to the first shoot is a good thing.

I shouldn't have sat anywhere long. I had to wait for it to come in. Maybe because it's MA compliant? Or, because the shelves are empty? Anyway . . .

Thanks for all the help. This is a great forum and I wish I found it sooner. I've already found some holster options I didn't see anywhere else, and have learned a ton.

muggsy
01-19-2013, 10:12 PM
I thought you two were related somehow. :D

Joined at the hip. Were old school. We call 'em like we see 'em. Just sayin'.

Booker T
01-21-2013, 12:00 AM
Welcome Keeper. Just clean it and get it ready for the next outing. Glad you had no issues.

There really is nothing you are actually looking for that might be wrong with it, just keep an eye out for anything that may look very abnormal.

Keeper
01-21-2013, 12:43 AM
Thanks. I did clean it and everything looked fine.

While putting it back together I moved the slide back a bit with an empty magazine and the slide locked on the other notch. I'm guessing this is normal, but hadn't noticed before. If I move the slide back normally it just locks where it's supposed to. Loaded, there's no catching on the slide.

Now, I just need to find 9mm rounds somewhere around here before Sunday.

Scoundrel
01-21-2013, 01:28 AM
I strip and clean new guns before I fire them.


It's partly about playing with my new toy before I can get to the range.
It's partly about cleaning the thing up. I sometimes find metal shavings from the manufacturing process, or too much thick greasy lube instead of the lube I use.
It's partly about looking for any problems that might have gotten past QC.


When I bought an AR-15, I took it apart before firing, and found a cracked hammer (see photo below). I don't know what would have happened if I'd fired it like that, but I am 100% sure I would not have been happy about it.

Kahrs have tight tolerances and some people have had problems with them before break-in was complete. Yours did not have any problems. So put on your "New Kahr Owner" badge that JFootin hasn't presented you with (yet), and go back to the range for some more shootin' (if you can find some ammo).

And, it's your gun. Do whatever you like with it, as long as you do it safely and responsibly. And don't forget to have fun!

jocko
01-21-2013, 06:52 AM
nice scoundrel. as u know it happens to all makers of dan near anything. Hell look at he
new Boeing dreamliner...

muggsy
01-21-2013, 07:30 AM
Muggsy is my mentor:D What u read from my posts I have learned from Muggsy. Honest:D

Between you and I we know everything there is to know about guns. Whenever I'm stumped by a gun question I just tell them to see old Jocko. :) Works every time it's tried.

JFootin
01-21-2013, 09:43 AM
So put on your "New Kahr Owner" badge that JFootin hasn't presented you with (yet), and go back to the range for some more shootin' (if you can find some ammo).


That's a CM9 Owners Club badge, so Keeper doesn't qualify. But welcome to the forum, Keeper! :)

Scoundrel
01-21-2013, 11:46 AM
That's a CM9 Owners Club badge, so Keeper doesn't qualify. But welcome to the forum, Keeper! :)

You should make one for the PM9 too. It could have a couple of gold teeth.

JFootin
01-21-2013, 05:27 PM
You should make one for the PM9 too. It could have a couple of gold teeth.

I'ts all I can do to welcome the CM9 owners to our club. Someone else is going to have to take the job for new PM9 owners. (Not as busy a job because Kahr is selling lots more of the CM9s.) I made this one for jocko to use, but he never did. Anybody who is a PM9 fan can use it and create a club for PM9 owners. I have a bookmark to one of my "The Big Grin Club!" posts so I can cut and paste it to a new post quickly. Then, I personalize it with the new member's name.

http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee486/John_England/Misc/BigDollarEyesSmily.jpg