The Pres Proposals??

[Gangplank]

So here they are. The 3 in bold are the ones everyone is up in arms about. What about the rest of them?

Proposed Congressional Actions


Requiring criminal background checks for all gun sales, including those by private sellers that currently are exempt.
Reinstating and strengthening the ban on assault weapons that was in place from 1994 to 2004.
Limiting ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.
Banning the possession of armor-piercing bullets by anyone other than members of the military and law enforcement.
Increasing criminal penalties for "straw purchasers," people who pass the required background check to buy a gun on behalf of someone else.
Acting on a $4 billion administration proposal to help keep 15,000 police officers on the street.
Confirming President Obama's nominee for director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Eliminating a restriction that requires the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to allow the importation of weapons that are more than 50 years old.
Financing programs to train more police officers, first responders and school officials on how to respond to active armed attacks.
Provide additional $20 million to help expand the a system that tracks violent deaths across the nation from 18 states to 50 states.
Providing $30 million in grants to states to help schools develop emergency response plans.
Providing financing to expand mental health programs for young people.

[MikeyKahr]

In my mind a few more would be in bold. Particularly the first one.

[JustinN]

Those three are obviously the worst, especially 2 and 3, and possibly 4, depending on their definition of "armor piercing".

To me, 8 is just stupid....I don't understand why they're concerned with old weapons, other than just more anti-gun in general crap. The alarming thing is I see a lot of things that cost money....lots of money...at least 4 billion, 50 million dollars. Where is that going to come from?!

[Gangplank]

In my mind a few more would be in bold. Particularly the first one.

Why is that? Just curious...

[muggsy]

Number one is bad because amounts to defacto registration. Registration has always led to confiscation. If every purchaser has to go through a background check they know everyone who has purchased a gun.

[Gangplank]

Those three are obviously the worst, especially 2 and 3, and possibly 4, depending on their definition of "armor piercing".

To me, 8 is just stupid....I don't understand why they're concerned with old weapons, other than just more anti-gun in general crap. The alarming thing is I see a lot of things that cost money....lots of money...at least 4 billion, 50 million dollars. Where is that going to come from?!


Yep. I don't really see how a 50 year old gun has an effect on reducing gun violence. Seems pretty stoopid.

[Gangplank]

Number one is bad because it's defacto registration. Registration has always led to confiscation. If every purchaser has to go through a background check they know everyone who has purchased a gun.

Interesting...

I have a gun that is pre-background check. How would they know about it unless I sell it? They won't.

[muggsy]

Interesting...

I have a gun that is pre-background check. How would they know about it unless I sell it? They won't.

They won't know about what you have now, but they will know if you buy in the future.

[MikeyKahr]

What muggsy said. First step to a lot of other steps.

[muggsy]

It's all peace and love. Obama did it for the children.

[Tinman507]

The alarming thing is I see a lot of things that cost money....lots of money...at least 4 billion, 50 million dollars. Where is that going to come from?!

When is the general public going to realize that debt isn't something this president even worries about. He's never had to balance a budget, a checkbook or worry where the mortgage payment is going to come from. There will always be someone to bail him out. It's someone else's money, so why worry?

[JohnR]

Doctors can ask whatever they want, but our answer isn't a sworn affidavit. Yes, we can lie to the doctor. So what?

Government lies to us all the time, it's only fair.

[getsome]

Here is the problem with all these new laws to stop gun violence...Law abiding gun owners 99.99999999% of the time don't get involved in criminal shootings....Here is a prime example of those who do:

Meet Johnquavious Hood, He has been in prison the last 3 years for an armed robery of the Standard Bar & Grill in SW Atlanta where the night manager John Henderson was shot and killed by Johnquavious and his fellow gangbanger Jonathan Redding who is now serving life with no parole for the robbery and murder....Not sure how Johnquavious got away with only a 3 year sentence but thats the way it went down in Court...

After only one month back on the street young Johnquavious was last night admitted to the local Emergency Room with 6 gun shot wounds...He refused to speak to the Police about who shot him up....

These are the people that will get guns any way they can and are the predators that will come looking for yours and mine...The law needs to deal with these animals and keep them locked up and off the streets to keep doing the same crimes over and over again until they end up dead...

Obama mentioned today there have been 900 shootings since Sandy Hook....Johnquavious was one of them, to bad the shooter whoever they were missed center mass....

[OldLincoln]

I think we need to keep in mind that congress will have to find a way to fund all this garbage. The obvious source is increased fees (not a tax) tacked onto every gun purchase. It could be very hefty (#100+) so I suggest buying now if you haven't.

Waiting for the funding shoe to drop is the only provision to date that affects me directly. I'm sure they will work their way around to CCW in a year or two.

[jocko]

When is the general public going to realize that debt isn't something this president even worries about. He's never had to balance a budget, a checkbook or worry where the mortgage payment is going to come from. There will always be someone to bail him out. It's someone else's money, so why worry?

his kids have secret service security protection at school and ur kids do not, and he could really give a rats ass to.:banplease:

[AJBert]

Hate to say it, but whenever you fill out the ol' 4473 and it is called in, the FBI doesn't have a clue what you are buying, let alone if you are buying one or five firearms. They are only checking your background to see if you are "legal" to purchase a firearm.

Even after the background check is completed and approved, there are some individuals who decide not buy, for whatever reason. This is why the number of background checks ran does not meet the number of firearms sold.

What no. 1 will cause is law abiding citizens to go to an FFL to call in to the FBI for a background check. I'm sure the FFL's will charge a fee, which the seller can tack on to the price of the firearm. What this will cause is MANY, MANY more calls, thus requiring more Feds on the other end of the line, thus requiring MO' MONEY from...

you guessed it, those of us who pay taxes.

[OldLincoln]

AJ I think it will be assessed as a fee to the licensing process to source the funds at the driver. In CA we currently have a background check fee somewhere around $50 if I remember right. As costs rise so will the fees to match.

I suspect the Concealed Permit folks will have the same background checks all over again with each renewal, so more money. Then additional police and school guards, more money, and on it goes. Think of it like an import tax on English Tea. When the tax was relatively low, nobody really complained much. But as the colonies grew and the British sent additional troops to police them, cost rose so did the tea tax. With the unsettling of the colonies because of unfair taxation they sent more police and raised taxes. Next thing you know some dumb colonist opens fire with his AK47 and the King gets all huffy about it.

[tv_racin_fan]

AJ I think it will be assessed as a fee to the licensing process to source the funds at the driver. In CA we currently have a background check fee somewhere around $50 if I remember right. As costs rise so will the fees to match.

I suspect the Concealed Permit folks will have the same background checks all over again with each renewal, so more money. Then additional police and school guards, more money, and on it goes. Think of it like an import tax on English Tea. When the tax was relatively low, nobody really complained much. But as the colonies grew and the British sent additional troops to police them, cost rose so did the tea tax. With the unsettling of the colonies because of unfair taxation they sent more police and raised taxes. Next thing you know some dumb colonist opens fire with his AK47 and the King gets all huffy about it.

Who you calling DUMB?

I already have to undergo abackground check when I renew. I got no issue with that myself. Currently my permit suffices for the background check.IF they make it so that all sales must go thru an FFL and my permit still qualifies that aint super bad BUT if they start reporting in on who bought what that is another thing altogether. AND I can purchase multiple firearms on one background check.