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chikinhammr
03-26-2010, 10:49 PM
I traded in my Kel Tec PF9 for a brand new two tone Kahr PM9 yesterday. So far, I am very pleased that I did. I never really fell in love with the Kel Tec. It was reasonably priced, very light and very concealable. I put around 400 rounds through it and had no real issues with it besides of a couple operator induced FTF's from limpwristing it. I hated shooting the KT. It was just an uncomfortable pistol to hold and shoot. The fact that it looked like it was made from pot metal (it's not) and rattled like an old Ford Granada did nothing to endear me to it.

The Kahr PM9 makes the Kel Tec look like a toy in comparison. The workmanship in the Kahr is top notch and the extra ounce of weight makes it feel more substantial.

The Kahr is also MUCH more comfortabe to hold and shoot. The Kel Tec always made the web of my thumb sore for two days after shooting just 50 rounds. I never looked forward to shooting it. The Kahr, however, while not easy to shoot, gave me no soreness of any note after 250 rounds. Kahr recommends a minimum of 200 rounds to break in the gun.

I decided to go ahead and break it in yesterday right after the purchase. I wiped off all the excess oil from the gun and loaded the magazines (one six round, one seven) inserted one in the mag well and pulled back the slide and released. Nothing happened. The slide remained locked back. I pushed the slide release button with what seemed like too much pressure and finally chambered a round. I put the "dot-the-i" sights on the x of a paper target, pulled the smooth, metal DAO trigger and it went bang as advertised.

The Kahr in my opinion has a much better trigger than the plastic trigger on the Kel Tec PF9. Kahr has less stacking and a crisper break.

250 rounds later (200 Federal 124 gr FMJ and 50 Remington Golden Saber 124 gr BJHP +P) and the pistol had loosened up a bit. The slide stop/release took less thumb straining pressure to operate, and I could more easily chamber a round by pulling back the slide and releasing it.

The only negative about the Kahr I have found is that the magazines seem like they should be better quality in a nearly $700 gun. They are welded in the back part of the magazine tube and the feed lips look like they mght be a problem in the future. They're also expensive and hard to find. I liked the Kel Tec magazines better. They were quite solid. Probably the best thing about the KT PF9.

Kel Tec PF9 pros: light, thin, concealable, well built standard 7 round magazine.
cons: rattles, ugly, uncomfortable, looks poorly made.

Kahr PM9 pros: reliable, excellent workmanship and materials, thin, light, concealable, great sights, good looking firearm.
cons: very expensive, mediocre magazines, expensive to break in.
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Chaz Murray

NRA, USCCA, ARCCA, Arkansas CHCL holder, Utah CFP holder.

Popeye
03-27-2010, 07:00 AM
I agree with what you say about the Kel Tec PF9. I have never owned one but have shot them and have a very good friend who has had it with his. His experiences with the PF9 is the main reason I never considered buying one. I don't really see the problem with the Kahr Mags, as a good weld should be stronger than the material it's welded to. I've never even been concerned about it in the slighest. IMO the Kahr although it might be quite a bit more money,is a far superior pistol in every way. As far as being expensive to break in, I'm not sure I get that at all, 200 rounds is 200 rounds know matter what pistol it's comming from. Some more expensive pistols seem to require twice that amount. I do not trust any auto pistol 100% until it has at least 200 trouble free rounds through it. Mine never had a problem of any sort. I have a Kel Tec P3at and it has been very reliable since break in, so I'm not a KT basher. I find the PM9 a joy to shoot for being such a small lightweight pistol. I think it has to do with the low bore axis of the pistol and the 1911 grip angle and a smooth trigger. The break on it like you say is very crisp. Mine has night sites on it so I can't say anything about the regular sites one way or the other. Good luck with you new pistol.

PigButtons
03-27-2010, 07:00 AM
Glad to have you on the Kahr team. If you got a new PM9 for under $700 you did very well. I agree about the expense of break in, but it also builds confidence in the weapon, and who can complain about spending an hour or two shooting a great gun.

Keep us up to date on your PM9 experience.

I've only had mine about a month and love it. Shooting is a pleasure compared to my P3AT that I stepped up from. For me the PM9 is a golf course gun. It can be concealed so easily that it has a definite place in my rotation.

One other thing about the difference in the two manufacturers' products is that the PM9 can eat +P all the time everyday and last a lifetime. Kel-tec doesn't recommend +P as a regular diet, at least not in the P3AT.

Cheers

kahrseye
03-27-2010, 07:30 AM
I purchased my PM9 2 tone with NS 2 weeks ago (paid $667 delivered). 3 days later I put 200 rounds through it. It was flawless. I would recommend 2 things that I use to make the gun even easier to shoot. A Hogue grip and a Pearce mag extension. As far as Kel Tec is concerned I'll say this; they are good guns but you get what you pay for. I've had a P3At, and a PF9. I was not impressed with their fit and finish or overall quality. The PF9 was very uncomfortable to shoot. The P3At was ok, but again these guns are not range guns. I was very surprised at how nice shooting the PM9 is. Very accurate and smooth trigger. Feels like a quality gun.

Bawanna
03-27-2010, 09:58 AM
I would venture to say that all guns regardless of make require a 200 round breakin. Kahr is the only one honest enough to come right out and put it in the owners manual.
Any new owner requires that same 200 rounds and 10 times more to break himself in to the new gun regardless of make. But especially with kahrs. Things are different, the trigger, the size not bad, just different.
My personal carry milestone requirement is 350 flawless rounds or it's still a range gun. But I like to shoot. I've never had a problem meeting this criteria either so thing must be good.

manthony4563
03-27-2010, 10:26 AM
Hey Chikinhammr
I noted that you pulled the slide back and released and nothing happened except the slide stop kept the slide back. That is what is suppose to happen. If you read the manual, you aren't suppose to hand rack the gun. Use the slide stop. Cost me $30.00 in postage back to Kahr to find that out. Now the gun is flawless. Good Luck

chikinhammr
03-27-2010, 10:49 AM
Thanks for all the input and advice. Great points about break in being expensive regardless of the gun.

I reread the manual about racking the pistol and will use the slide stop lever to close the action and chamber a round from now on.

My mind is at ease knowing I'm carrying a quality, reliable ccw piece.

Mainegunner
03-28-2010, 05:12 AM
I picked up a new pm9 about a month ago. I have put 155 rounds through it so far without a hitch including some speer golddot 124 gr +p. I just put some decal drips on it and bought a couple of the pierce mag extensions. I am headed to the range today to run another 50 rounds or so through it. The kahr is alot nicer carrying then the G26 I had.

medezyner
03-28-2010, 07:18 AM
I picked up a new pm9 about a month ago. I have put 155 rounds through it so far without a hitch including some speer golddot 124 gr +p. I just put some decal drips on it and bought a couple of the pierce mag extensions. I am headed to the range today to run another 50 rounds or so through it. The kahr is alot nicer carrying then the G26 I had.

Just did my break-in yesterday and the PM9 was flawless. I'll put the pearce extension on at least 1 mag.
+1 on the kahr being a nicer carry than the Glock. My G26 is up for sale.

jocko
03-28-2010, 07:39 AM
the magazines are top notch, all stainless, they have to be welded somewhere and most all I have ever seen are welded on the back side. You will have no issues with the kahr magazines.Feed lips willnot give you one issue either. Buy only kahr magazines. You can find vendors who sell factory kahr magazines lower in price than the kahr factory does. so just keep looking.

Nice gun, , don't worry about things that HAVE NOT HAPPENED..