Ammo situation ridiculous

[yqtszhj]

You can't find a brick of bulk .22 ammo around here anywhere!!!

I'll admit that I buy in bulk, usually a years worth at a time and I may have about 2 years worth at the moment, except in .22. I can't believe there is not a brick of AE .22 ammo anywhere around.

Crazy.

[CJB]

yup

[QuercusMax]

I stopped by the farm store earlier today. In the .22 section some shelves were bare, but they actually did have LOTS of:

- .22 short (hey, my old Remington 12C can handle these)
- .22 with #12 birdshot (smoothbore, anyone?)
- .22WMR (and I have a cylinder for my Colt Frontier Scout that will handle these)

I passed.

Yup, it's crazy. I figure the shortage of .22LR is due to all the people stocking up on "alternative" ammo. Or is there another reason?

[Scoundrel]

People are scared that they're going to face huge taxes on ammo, limits to how much they can buy and store, etc. So they're stocking up on that too, en masse.

Assault weapons bans and ammo bans will not specify caliber, and regardless what other guns people have, most gun owners have at least one .22. It's probably the one thing we all have in common.

If you can't find .223, or 9mm, or whatever else you have, but you want to be doing SOMETHING, you buy the next best thing, right?

[micotu]

Went to 3 different stores for 9mm target rounds, no luck. The place I normally go to had plenty of boxes of hollow point 9mms though, but they were $25 a box of 50, which isn't awful, but not what I want to pay.

[Zippo Guy]

I just got an order delivered today from Natchez Shooters Supply. They had Blazer 9MM for $12.99 a box. I personally like the stuff and for that price, I will buy it during these times. The whole thing took about a week and a half from order to delivery.

[ltxi]

Just out of curiosity I checked online ammunition availability and prices today from my usual sources. Would be really funny if it weren't so sad.

[RWillieK]

I was able to find some .22lr last weekend. My .22 pistol takes CCI Minimags, no soft lead, but I found about 5 100 round boxes last weekend.....two at the local gun store (1 box limit, so I sent my wife in), and then three boxes at Walmart.

Surprisingly Walmart also has .380, and cheaper than normal, $15/box instead of $20.

[cloud]

I have not seen bulk 22lr in my wal mart since the election. Just picked up 3 boxes of federal 100 count 45's this am. They had 2 boxes left of the federal and about 6 of the winchester100 count. (lexington Nc)

[ParrotHead]

All these idiots hoarding everything!
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[kb2wji]

All these idiots hoarding everything!
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THIS ! ! ! ! ^ ^ ^

Stores are getting the same amount they always did. The first numbskull that gets there when the truck gets unloaded gets it all. Its driving me insane.

I just bought a lever action .22 (so cool!! i've never had a 22) But I cant find ammo anywhere!! I never thought 22 would be hard to find. I should have done my homework i guess. :32:

[Bawanna]

I don't think anyone saw this coming at the scale that it did.

I also never dreamed that 22 would just dry up.

I anticipated all the carry rounds and the black rifle thing but everything is flying off the shelves or is already gone.

My nephew wrote me last night an decided he wants his first pistol. An XDM in 9. Only found 2 on gunbroker and high priced. Crazy times, hope things return to normal someday.

[kb2wji]

Someday will come much sooner if folks would stop hoarding the crap out of this stuff. I propose a one month "knock it the hell off" period. Lets see how quickly things get back to normal. Wheres the little smiley face thing that depicts a guy smashing his head into the keyboard?!?

:smash::7::7

[downtownv]

This guy ate it!!!!!

[wyntrout]

The loudest cries about "Hoarders" are from those who dawdled and didn't pay attention to the news and the political events leading to the current "frenzy". They didn't envision anything like this, didn't listen to dire warnings, and more importantly, SEE TO THEIR OWN NEEDS... much as the grasshopper in the fable dawdled away the summer playing his fiddle, while the ants went about preparing for the cold, hard Winter coming.

Call them hoarders, preppers, or whatever you think will make YOU feel better about your own poor decisions!

Just My Humble Opinion... spelled out lest you wonder what the letters stand for in JMHO!

:banplease:

Wynn:behindsofa::)

[Salty]

Seems as if some ammo is trickling in again except for 22 lr. Even Walmart's are getting some in with a 3 box per day purchase limit as they had a few years ago. This is the time factories should be running 22 lr. as spring is coming and demand will go up but who knows. Good job to everyone who stocked up 22 lr early.

[chrish]

I agree w/ wyntrout. Blaming the buyers right now is not fair, you are just as free and had just as much information as they did. I didn't see it coming as fast as it did and didn't respond as quickly as others, but I was at least early _enough_ to make some decent decisions. It's been particularly bad since the 1st of the year. I'd still like to have more 9mm and more 22lr.

Gun prices are coming down, if you haven't noticed.

That being said, I see nothing but a silver lining here.

1. Tons of guns and ammo in the hands of the general population. Whether you are a gun advocate or a gun control proponent, the situation has made a VERY loud statement.

2. Regarding the prices. Capitalism is alive and well and working as it should. Supply and demand will eventually correct it, but supply was finally back from earlier events in years past...government created a demand, the market responded.

3. Lots and lots of new gun owners. That's a good thing.

Want to blame someone, blame the government and the liberal media for creating a firestorm that resulted in this. But stop blaming the people who are buying out of legitimate concern over future availability or prices. As to the price 'gouging' going on right now, you can be mad at them if you like, but it's how it works. Thank goodness for that. The only other option would be government controlled pricing on ammo. Good idea? No way in hell.

[chrish]

I'll also add, sometimes you just have to bite-the-bullet (pun intended) and buy SOME at the insane price 'just in case'. Am I confident that the market will correct this and prices and supply will return, YES. Am I 100% certain, NO. Therefore, I will probably suck it up and pay double or triple for some 22lr to add to my buffer before this is all over with.

Just sayin'.

[Longitude Zero]

My standard supply is 750-1000 rounds each of 9mm, 45ACP, 357Mag. 223/5.56. I like to have 5000+ rounds 22LR on hand at all times. I would shoot a box or two and then replace it with new. That way my ammo supply gets rotated.

I have not been shooting for over 60 days now since I cannot resupply. My LGS rep said the ammo situation will hopefully subside in 4-6 months. He said the gun situation is going to take at least a year for the manufacturers to catch up with the backlog they had even before the current panic.

[wyntrout]

I remember 6-box limits... and I would buy six whenever I went to the store. They HAD ammo most of the time then. Now you have to be there at the right time to find anything on the shelves. Even with a 3-box limit, it goes quickly. My last purchase was 3 boxes of the Federal Champion Value Pack 100 .45 FMJ... I felt pretty good and there were still 3-4 more boxes, at least, left. I do look every time I go to a Walmart, and once in a while there's something I can use.

I went to the range yesterday to shoot my new G23C and try out all of my .40 ammo, including my 180-gr Bonded Remington Golden Sabers for my .40's.

I fired 257 rounds in the G23C and 6+1+7 in my ported P40 for functionality in my carry mags... absolutely NO PROBLEMS with either pistol... flawless with all 12 mags for my new Glock.:D

I did avail myself of the one-box per RANGE CUSTOMER limit and shot a box of AAA TCJ 180-gr FMJ. Nice stuff for $16+tax a box, and it saves some of my range ammo supply.

When I get a chance, I'll do a range report with stills of the flashes and targets. I had quite the time! The last two mags were fired at an unused full-sized shihouette target that someone had left behind. Rapid-fire, I unloaded a 13-round mag at each of C.O.M. and the head rectangles. Yee Ha!!

:59:


Wynn:D

[Bawanna]

I haven't pulled a trigger since AUGUST!:eek: I haven't bought ammo at a store in years, the only thing I'm uncomfortably low on but not completely out of is 22.

I got 14 rounds of Blazer 22 I'd trade for a tuna fish sandwich.

[Longitude Zero]

I haven't bought ammo at a store in years

Me either. Ammo to Go has been my supplier for a long time.

[itsthelaw]

I just purchased 500 rounds of Speer Lawman 9mm from SG Ammo. It cost me $180 shipped. It was hard to do, but that is as inexpensive as I've seen. Hoping to see $.24 9mm FMJ again soon.

[ParrotHead]

It's getting to TOTALLY STUPID level when you can't even buy shotgun shells at Walmart. Guy I work with shoots cowboy action and he can find ZERO shotgun shells at any of the local Walmarts. Now he is going to have to invest in reloading shotgun just to keep shooting.
Thanks, all you idiot hoarders!

[chrish]

It's getting to TOTALLY STUPID level when you can't even buy shotgun shells at Walmart. Guy I work with shoots cowboy action and he can find ZERO shotgun shells at any of the local Walmarts. Now he is going to have to invest in reloading shotgun just to keep shooting.
Thanks, all you idiot hoarders!

why are hoarders idiots? Would seem to me that they are smart and more perceptive than your friend.

[ParrotHead]

Because they're screwing everything up for everyone else and they act like ammo is going to be outlawed...which it isn't. You can't find magazines, reloading supplies or anything remotely associated with ammo because people think the whole damn world is going to come to an end. I mean give it a rest already! People don't have two pennies to rub together but they can sure find money for cigarettes and tons of hoarded ammo that is going to sit forever...

[7shot]

i feel your pain, really i do...but isn't this just like when a big storm is about to hit the east coast and everyone buys up all the water and food at your local grocery store. as soon as obumdstead came on the tv and talked about gun control i saw the storm a coming...

[ParrotHead]

i feel your pain, really i do...but isn't this just like when a big storm is about to hit the east coast and everyone buys up all the water and food at your local grocery store. as soon as obumdstead came on the tv and talked about gun control i saw the storm a coming...

Yeah...Barack Hussein Obama really REDUCED weapon sales doing that, didn't he?

[Bawanna]

My ugly meter is holding steady on this one at about 8. At 8.5 I pull the plug.

[ParrotHead]

:smash::7::7

Careful...ugly meter at 8.2

[wyntrout]

People can laugh at "preppers"... some of their worries are pretty remote, and even laughable... but a lot of people are waiting until the Four Horsemen are at the door... or whatever their particular worst fear is!

The Boy Scout motto comes to mind... and is more appropriate than the three monkeys blocking their eyes, ears, and mouths... or the fabled ostrich sticking its head into a hole in the ground to avoid "unpleasantness" as a dingo sizes him up for lunch!

Having enough ammo for regular practice... and more importantly... enough to weather immediate shortages... is a smart thing to do... and a VIRTUE... NOT a SIN! If you don't plan and prepare to meet the needs of you and your family, whose fault is that??

I converted a lot of our meager savings to ammo and gun supplies. I wish that I had made up my mind about THREE months ago to buy a .308 NATO-type semi-auto and built up a supply of reliable magazines and ammunition for the long haul. I can't afford the "cheapest" one now, and certainly not the scarcity and prices for mags and ammo! I'll have to be content with my Ruger 10/22 and the mags and ammo that I bought over a year ago... one of my small "prepper" concessions.

It isn't the "hoarders'" fault that things have happened, but a populace who has awakened finally, to the fact that hard times are ahead and things will get more difficult if not impossible to get... especially in things needed to defend themselves and their families... let alone go to the range for recreation very often!

JMHO!

Wynn:)

[Longitude Zero]

My two cents is the bulk of the ammo being stockpiled is by folks who have never or rarely shot and were scared that it was a buy now or else it will be taken away. Routine shooters like here and on most gunboards cycle their ammo. Meaning you have a stockpile that as you shoot you replace what is shot to keep your stockpile up to date and refreshed.

Hoarders are the johnny come latelys that got in late, bought up everything, and drove prices up and availability down.

[itsthelaw]

People can laugh at "preppers"... some of their worries are pretty remote, and even laughable... but a lot of people are waiting until the Four Horsemen are at the door... or whatever their particular worst fear is!

The Boy Scout motto comes to mind... and is more appropriate than the three monkeys blocking their eyes, ears, and mouths... or the fabled ostrich sticking its head into a hole in the ground to avoid "unpleasantness" as a dingo sizes him up for lunch!

Having enough ammo for regular practice... and more importantly... enough to weather immediate shortages... is a smart thing to do... and a VIRTUE... NOT a SIN! If you don't plan and prepare to meet the needs of you and your family, whose fault is that??

I converted a lot of our meager savings to ammo and gun supplies. I wish that I had made up my mind about THREE months ago to buy a .308 NATO-type semi-auto and built up a supply of reliable magazines and ammunition for the long haul. I can't afford the "cheapest" one now, and certainly not the scarcity and prices for mags and ammo! I'll have to be content with my Ruger 10/22 and the mags and ammo that I bought over a year ago... one of my small "prepper" concessions.

It isn't the "hoarders'" fault that things have happened, but a populace who has awakened finally, to the fact that hard times are ahead and things will get more difficult if not impossible to get... especially in things needed to defend themselves and their families... let alone go to the range for recreation very often!

JMHO!

Wynn:)


Yeah...What he said! Bravo Wynn!:cheer2::cheer2:Well said...

[itsthelaw]

The way I see it, I'm happy that even though Johnny came lately...at least he is part of the herd now. I hear you on the lack of prep, but I want my neighbors to have their own means to defend themselves. Our army just keeps getting stronger and stronger. I will certainly want to know where they are keeping the stockpile just in case they don't make it.

[Longitude Zero]

As to the sky is falling in crowd good luck on carrying around your supply. Not gonna happen. If you bunker it up following you to your hidy hole and taking it is pretty easy to. Travel light, Travel fast.

The build a bunker and hunker down is not really the smartest option.

[ParrotHead]

My two cents is the bulk of the ammo being stockpiled is by folks who have never or rarely shot and were scared that it was a buy now or else it will be taken away. Routine shooters like here and on most gunboards cycle their ammo. Meaning you have a stockpile that as you shoot you replace what is shot to keep your stockpile up to date and refreshed.

Hoarders are the johnny come latelys that got in late, bought up everything, and drove prices up and availability down.


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[Tinman507]

My ugly meter is holding steady on this one at about 8. At 8.5 I pull the plug.

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[wyntrout]

Regardless of the how or why, SOME "shooters" were caught napping and now are howling about the state of affairs that MOST of US saw coming. A lot of people who didn't own guns suddenly decided that if they weren't going to HAVE that CHOICE in the near future, they had better start getting what they might need. This brought a LOT of new people into buying guns and ammo. A lot more people are armed now, and a lot more are wanting to do so. Just wait until after the POTUS gives his Mis-State of the Union speech tonight. You ain't seen nothing, yet!

JMHO!

Wynn:)

[JFootin]

How much effect has the huge buy of ammo by the gov't had on this shortage?

[Longitude Zero]

A little but nowhere near the sky is falling crowd would have you believe. Even with all the buys for the "G" none of us has seen the shelves swept clean like they are now. Until the JCL (Johnny Come Lately) crowd arrived on the scene the ammo companies were easily meeting supply demands.

[wyntrout]

One can only guess that they are privy to more insight on the future actions of the gub'mint with regard to keeping the subj... er, citizens in line, as some of his pet projects began moving forward... maybe with his State Police Force... the one that he spoke of as a candidate... strong as the military... which he's systematically weakening... and installing commanders more amenable to his view of the coming world government under the U.N. where private ownership of weapons is banned and they are confiscated. The mind can go wild with speculation... especially about all of the MRE's ordered... something like a 7,000% increase, hundred's of thousands of synthetic/plastic coffins, and "FEMA Camps" prepared.:behindsofa:

Wynn:)

[RRP]

I am delighted that the nation has finally taken notice that its constitutional rights are being eroded away and have responded by buying everything related to guns. Sure, it is inconvenient that I can't resupply as I wish, but it is more important that we send a clear message to all politicians that Americans value their 2nd Amendment Rights. The more folks buy guns and ammo, the larger our representation.

The momentum of the political climate is not in our favor. If we sit on the sidelines and merely complain about the lack of ammo, we will lose our rights. Whether or not you agree with the NRA, philosophically, we can probably agree it is only organization strong enough to help us stem the tide. Consider supporting the NRA. If we become complacent, we'll have much more to complain about than Walmart's ammo inventory.

[Ae35]

As to the sky is falling in crowd good luck on carrying around your supply. Not gonna happen. If you bunker it up following you to your hidy hole and taking it is pretty easy to. Travel light, Travel fast.

The build a bunker and hunker down is not really the smartest option.
Two words MOLON LABE !

[Bawanna]

My two cents is the bulk of the ammo being stockpiled is by folks who have never or rarely shot and were scared that it was a buy now or else it will be taken away. Routine shooters like here and on most gunboards cycle their ammo. Meaning you have a stockpile that as you shoot you replace what is shot to keep your stockpile up to date and refreshed.

Hoarders are the johnny come latelys that got in late, bought up everything, and drove prices up and availability down.

I agree and feel that when/if we ever get a real president and the worry is over there will be a ton of mint condition never been fired firearms available especially black rifles of every flavor.

We do need to consider those like me who don't really have a meager savings like Wynn to convert to ammo and gun supplies. I do it without thought with funds that are available but its not enough to make a big difference.

Us hand to mouth folks might be contributing to the ammo flying off the shelf too, although not myself YET. Haven't found any to buy.

Gun Show this weekend here, we'll see what if anything is available. Probably some 1911's and revolvers that I we can't get ammo for, maybe some nice bolt rifles.
It's ok though I only got about 42 bucks to blow anyhow and it's only tuesday so might not be that much by the weekend and that's ok too.

[yqtszhj]

Just wait until after the POTUS gives his Mis-State of the Union speech tonight. You ain't seen nothing, yet!



I'd rather watch Oprah, and that's really bad.

On the other hand I'll watch doomsday preppers on Nat Geo. I'll get more out of that (even if they're kooky) than I'll get out of the state of the union. Even I know more than the idiot does about what state we are in.

[wyntrout]

It's another month until the next gun show here... if there will be one. Obummer could be issuing a royal proclamation against them as I type here. I wouldn't put anything past him, and his do nothing party-members will fall into step behind him, even though he's just using their party... he's far from yore deddy's Demmycrat.

Wynn:)

[Bawanna]

It's starting here. Send you children to your rooms, turn off the TV. Crack the Scotch bottle open. Been a hell of a lousy day, I'm gonna take advantage of the nothing on tv and shower up, take the scotch to my man cave and meditate.

[ParrotHead]

:hurt:

[Harrylee]

You can't find anything out there now,ammo or reloading supplies.Last year I probably shot around 8000 rounds,not this year.It all a political scam.They say take the gun off the market and it will be a safer place, not so, if the man said we will enforce the laws that do exist no one would have a problem with that, but nooo we have to have new laws on top of the laws they don't enforce now.People are afraid, by the the time 911 is called at 2 AM and they get there is done and over with.We need to protect ourself's during the time when we need it the most.What I would like to say is I practice that makes me good at what I do, without having the ammo I can't be as accurate this takes away from my skills.Hey guys it's going to be a long ride thru this whole mess.The anti gunners are coming thru the woodwork,and they don't even realize what is at stake.We here all are law biding citizens and we are not the bad ones in this crazy world

[Bawanna]

Two words MOLON LABE !

I hate to always be the dumb one around here but when somebody has a minute maybe you could tell me what the heck Molon Labe means.

Tinman seems to be fond of it as well.

[yqtszhj]

"Come and take it"

I had to look it up. I can't remember anything anymore. My brain has been sucked out by working for morons.

[wyntrout]

For the Kenneth W. Royce book, see Molon Labe! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_Labe%21).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Molon_labe.jpg/220px-Molon_labe.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Molon_labe.jpg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/static-1.21wmf8/skins/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Molon_labe.jpg)
The words ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ as they are inscribed on the marble of the 1955 Leonidas Monument (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonidas_Monument) at Thermopylae.


The phrase molon labe (Ancient Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek) μολὼν λαβέ molṑn labé; reconstructed Ancient Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek) pronunciation [molɔːn labé] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Ancient_Greek); Modern Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Greek) pronunciation [moˈlon laˈve] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Greek)) means "Come and take". It is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonidas_I) in response to the Persian army's demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae). It is an exemplary use of a laconic phrase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconic_phrase).
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The phrase was reportedly the defiant response of King Leonidas I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonidas_I) of Sparta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta) to Xerxes I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerxes_I) of Persia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire) when asked to lay down their arms and surrender, at the onset of the Battle of Thermopylae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae) (480 BC).
Instead, the Spartans held Thermopylae for three days and, although they were ultimately annihilated, they inflicted serious damage upon the Persian army, and most importantly delayed its progress to Athens, providing sufficient time for the city's evacuation to the island of Salamis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamis_Island). Though a clear defeat, Thermopylae served as a moral victory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_victory) and inspired the troops at the Battle of Salamis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Salamis) and the Battle of Plataea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Plataea).
The source for this quotation is Plutarch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutarch), Apophthegmata Laconica, 51.11.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe#cite_note-5) This work by Plutarch is included among the Moralia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moralia), a collection of works attributed to him but outside the collection of his most famous works, the Parallel Lives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_Lives).
Modern usage

Molon labe has been repeated by many later generals and politicians in order to express an army's or nation's determination not to surrender. The motto ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ is on the emblem of the Greek First Army Corps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_First_Army_Corps),[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe#cite_note-6) and is also the motto of United States Special Operations Command Central (SOCCENT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOCCENT)).[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe#cite_note-7) The expression "Come and take it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_take_it)" was a slogan in the Texas Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution).
Molon labe has been used once again in Greek history, on 3 March 1957 during a battle in Cyprus between members of the EOKA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EOKA) organization, and the British Army. After someone had betrayed his location, the British forces surrounded the secret hideout of the second-in-command of EOKA, Grigoris Afxentiou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigoris_Afxentiou), near the Machairas Monastery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machairas_Monastery). Inside the hideout were Afxentiou and four of his followers. Realizing he was outnumbered, Afxentiou ordered them to surrender themselves whilst he barricaded himself for a fight to the death. The British asked Afxentiou to come out and surrender. He replied with the phrase Molon labe, imitating the ancient Spartans. Unable to get him out, and after sustaining casualties, the British set fire to the hideout, and he was burnt alive. The British buried his body in the yard of the central jail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCy%C3%BCk_Han) at Lefkosia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lefkosia), where it lies today.
In America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), both the original Greek phrase and its English translation are often heard from pro-Second Amendment activists as a defense of the right to keep and bear arms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms). It began to appear on web sites in the late 1990s and early 2000s.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe#cite_note-8) And when the government of New Orleans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans) defied Federal court orders to return weapons that had been seized during Hurricane Katrina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina),[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe#cite_note-9) the phrase again gained popularity among supporters of the Second Amendment, as the phrase has connotation of a strong belief in the ideals of personal freedom and in the individual right to self-protection.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] In the Second Amendment or firearms freedom context, the phrase expresses the notion that the person uttering the phrase is a strong believer in these ideals and will not surrender their firearms to anyone, including governmental authority, without strong resistance.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe#cite_note-10)
Molon labe has been recently used in the 2007 feature film 300 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_%28film%29) in which Leonidas speaks this famous line in English in response to "Spartans! Lay down your weapons!" as "Persians! Come and get them!" In the 1999 comic book of the same name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/300_%28comics%29), upon which the film is based, the phrase becomes "Come and get it", with no exchange concerning the laying down of arms.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe#cite_note-11) In the earlier 1962 film The 300 Spartans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_300_Spartans) Leonidas says the phrase both in Greek and English to the Persian general Hydarnes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydarnes).

[ltxi]

It's getting to TOTALLY STUPID level when you can't even buy shotgun shells at Walmart. Guy I work with shoots cowboy action and he can find ZERO shotgun shells at any of the local Walmarts. Now he is going to have to invest in reloading shotgun just to keep shooting.
Thanks, all you idiot hoarders!

You kinda sound like one of them there folk who drive 10 feet in front of their car and then blame the poor guy you just rear ended for stopping for traffic

[Scoundrel]

My two cents is the bulk of the ammo being stockpiled is by folks who have never or rarely shot and were scared that it was a buy now or else it will be taken away. Routine shooters like here and on most gunboards cycle their ammo. Meaning you have a stockpile that as you shoot you replace what is shot to keep your stockpile up to date and refreshed.

Hoarders are the johnny come latelys that got in late, bought up everything, and drove prices up and availability down.

I was going to say something like this but LZ beat me to it, so I'll just throw a personal spin on it:

Throughout the last year, when ammo was in plentiful supply, I bought enough of it to make a liberal news reporter drool while thinking up a headline. I bought it steadily over the months, the suppliers were happy to sell it and had lots more available. I built up my own personal supply.

Now, there is a "shortage" because demand is up, and I have a supply of stuff that a lot of other people suddenly are wanting and cannot get - or are paying exorbitant prices for.

I find myself taking offense at the term "hoarder" because of the negative connotation, but the dictionary definition does seem to apply. However, the people yelling "foul" are the very ones who did not set aside the money and build up their own supply.

Note: At this point, ammo is a "want" item, NOT a "need" item like food, water, gasoline, oxygen, etc. Therefore the most nasty negative popular usage of the word hoarder does not apply here. I'm talking about the usage where the media describes people that fill their pickup truck bed with 5 gallon cans of gas during an emergency and then turn around and try to sell it for $50/gallon to people who need to get to work.

If everyone that is now yelling about hoarders had bought at the same rate that I did, or even more slowly than I did but still steadily purchased ammo, then the manufacturers would have ramped up their production, the stores would still have the stuff, the economy would be improved, and the only people crying to mommy would be the anti-gun folks.

[Ae35]

I was going to say something like this but LZ beat me to it, so I'll just throw a personal spin on it:

Throughout the last year, when ammo was in plentiful supply, I bought enough of it to make a liberal news reporter drool while thinking up a headline. I bought it steadily over the months, the suppliers were happy to sell it and had lots more available. I built up my own personal supply.

Now, there is a "shortage" because demand is up, and I have a supply of stuff that a lot of other people suddenly are wanting and cannot get - or are paying exorbitant prices for.

I find myself taking offense at the term "hoarder" because of the negative connotation, but the dictionary definition does seem to apply. However, the people yelling "foul" are the very ones who did not set aside the money and build up their own supply.

Note: At this point, ammo is a "want" item, NOT a "need" item like food, water, gasoline, oxygen, etc. Therefore the most nasty negative popular usage of the word hoarder does not apply here. I'm talking about the usage where the media describes people that fill their pickup truck bed with 5 gallon cans of gas during an emergency and then turn around and try to sell it for $50/gallon to people who need to get to work.

If everyone that is now yelling about hoarders had bought at the same rate that I did, or even more slowly than I did but still steadily purchased ammo, then the manufacturers would have ramped up their production, the stores would still have the stuff, the economy would be improved, and the only people crying to mommy would be the anti-gun folks.
VERY well said. I too told people, buy 2 boxes every month, shoot 1, put the other back. Started doing that with all the calibers I own, for the past 5 years. I'm in good shape. Those that didn't listen.. are crying. BOO HOO !:p

[Ae35]

As to the sky is falling in crowd good luck on carrying around your supply. Not gonna happen. If you bunker it up following you to your hidy hole and taking it is pretty easy to. Travel light, Travel fast.

The build a bunker and hunker down is not really the smartest option.
I've got the high ground for over a half mile, 350yds. covered, 360 ! Not worried !!!
Molon Labe !!!

[wyntrout]

I evaluated my inventory and use well before the election and bought what I wanted. After the election I bought some more. My last order(from 14 Jan) arrived this last Monday and I think I have enough for my needs... and even some friends in the neighborhood if things look bad and they need ammo. I still shoot and try to use as much of the range's ammo as possible. Monday the limit was only one box and I shot 257 rounds total, but I was breaking in a new pistol and had a bunch of different kinds of ammo to test in it, including a couple of mags through my P40 with the 180-gr Bonded Remington Golden Sabers. Everything worked fine and I was pleased that the P40 got through two mags and didn't look bad in front of the new G23C and it's 257 flawless rounds!:D

The Glock is little too big for carry IWB wearing my shorts, though. The P40 will remain my EDC!

Wynn:)

[Ae35]

You could try that Smart Carry rig for your G23C with shorts !! Might get the ladies interested !!!:eek:

[chrish]

I don't think 'hoarder' was used here in the context of the Webster's definition.

One person's definition of hoarding is another person's definition of a month at the range. You can't put a definition on it, therefore you can't really complain about it (legitimately). Unless you are buying on the way to the range and only keep SD rounds at home in a quantity for an intruder situation (so 1 or 2 boxes), then you are a 'hoarder' by someone's definition.

[wyntrout]

I think the "Smart Carry" thing is an oxymoron! I only have room for me in my shorts... in the front, anyhow.:rolleyes:

I do have a lot more room since I lost 30 pounds or so!

Wynn:D

[ParrotHead]

I hate to always be the dumb one around here but when somebody has a minute maybe you could tell me what the heck Molon Labe means.

Tinman seems to be fond of it as well.

The phrase molon labe (Ancient Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek) μολὼν λαβέ molṑn labé; reconstructed Ancient Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek) pronunciation [molɔːn labé] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Ancient_Greek); Modern Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Greek) pronunciation [moˈlon laˈve] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Greek)) means "Come and take". It is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonidas_I) in response to the Persian army's demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae). It is an exemplary use of a laconic phrase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconic_phrase).

[Bawanna]

Woo hoo, I just got my order off the truck for 30,000 rounds of 223 and 20,000 rounds of 45!!

Ok, ok, it's dept stuff that I can never utilize unless I lower myself to pilferage which I'm sure is a sin in the good book.

It's real pretty to look at though and I have happy thoughts of it being piled at my house rather than here.

Got my 4th verbal warning for unprofessional conduct too, it was a great day!

[wyntrout]

Dang! You didn't get to pose for a picture of you next to the "hoard"!!?

I coulda' put that next to the M14/Service dog picture of you. I use one of those "official" Bawanna pictures with your autograph!

Wynn:D

[Scoundrel]

"Conduct unbecoming a Musketeer", eh? What did you do?

[Barth]

Woo hoo, I just got my order off the truck for 30,000 rounds of 223 and 20,000 rounds of 45!!

Ok, ok, it's dept stuff that I can never utilize unless I lower myself to pilferage which I'm sure is a sin in the good book.

It's real pretty to look at though and I have happy thoughts of it being piled at my house rather than here.

Got my 4th verbal warning for unprofessional conduct too, it was a great day!

Bawanna,
What's your departments prefered 5.56/.223 round.
I've got my Bulgarian AK loaded up with -
http://www.hunt101.com/data/552/medium/TAP1.JPG

[Bawanna]

We use Federal. This is training stuff, I got a load of duty stuff earlier. Whatever is cheapest is what we normally get.

They switched this time from Winchester SXT to Federal, mostly cause the person placing the actual order is clueless and didn't follow my ammo request. Suppose to come from two different places but she felt it best to get from one which of course didn't have Winchester which I knew so she got Federal. Lucky for her the firearms instructors were ok with it. I was not but nobody cared.

[Bawanna]

"Conduct unbecoming a Musketeer", eh? What did you do?

Inappropriate language this time. A brown nose to the Admin Supervisor has super hearing and being deaf I talk loud. In my usual frustration dealing with 9 females I apparently blurted out at the front desk that I was going to my cubicle and cut my freaking head off.

The last one was for obscene gesture when at a staff meeting of the aforementioned 9 females and myself she said the chief wanted to get motorcycles which has nothing to do with us which forced me to make a stroking gesture.

I'm such a bad boy!

Verbals don't mean anything except they don't have anything to do. Yesterday was good cause my leader had her leader and the deputy chief all at the sit down. DC told me when I was frustrated to talk to my leader, I asked what to do if she was the cause of my frustration, he suggested her leader and I said what's the next option. Went right over their heads.

I tried to trade in my 4 verbals for 1 written which we call a black letter but they wouldn't do it. Wimps. Everyone here has had writtens except me. I think they are descriminating against me cause I'm a man or at least half a man. Half man with a bad attitude but half man none the less.

[Scoundrel]

You're such a pottymouth.

They're probably afraid of a discrimination lawsuit if they come down too hard on you.
That'd be a good golden handshake though, eh?

[Tinman507]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_akOD74dlP4E/S6-p1AiIyQI/AAAAAAAACoQ/1ZiAnHgYF_s/s1600/Potty+Mouth+001.jpg

[yqtszhj]

Verbals don't mean anything except they don't have anything to do. Yesterday was good cause my leader had her leader and the deputy chief all at the sit down. DC told me when I was frustrated to talk to my leader, I asked what to do if she was the cause of my frustration, he suggested her leader and I said what's the next option. Went right over their heads.


There's no kill switch on awesome! :D