Hacker Group Anonymous Declares War on US

[TheTman]

The hacker group Anonymous has apparently declared war on the US Government, attacking various goverment web sites.

Here is a report from CNN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Wi6gZU01yF8

A statement from Anonymous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG_u9TbzRwA

Here is a video discussing Obama asking if top ranking military leaders will fire on US citizens or not. Officers saying no are supposedly forced into retirement. I've only seen this one source talking about this, but there are several videos about it. I've not heard anything from the person who supposedly blew the whistle. Perhaps he fears for his life?
This video also explores several other topics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzT6X3_Bg9o

I'm feeling pretty uneasy, with all these calls for civil war, and government officials talking about confiscating guns door to door.
Officers being asked if they will fire on Americans, house to house combat training taking place in American cities, Politicians talking about confiscating weapons. It just seems like things we are setting on a powder keg, and a small spark is going to cause all hell to break loose.

You can dismiss this as internet nonsense, but some of these videos, like those from Alex Jones are getting millions of views and influencing a lot of people. More and more people are getting their news from the internet and shutting off the Libtard Mainstream Media.

I don't know much about these Anonymous people, but I guess they can really mess up computers.

[muggsy]

Don't drink the koolaid. Believe it when you hear it from the General's mouth. The armed civilian population far out numbers the military. For crying out loud, Barth has more guns than the military. I was in the military and wouldn't have followed an unlawful order to shoot civilians. I doubt that most in the military would.

[Longitude Zero]

Hackers need to be shot on sight.

[Scoundrel]

"Anonymous" has been in the news a lot lately, and so I suggest that if you want to be informed, you should read the wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)) about them.
I am not saying Wikipedia is an authoritative source, but it's probably the most factual information readily available to help you understand about Anonymous.

The most important thing to remember about Anonymous is that they HAVE NO LEADERSHIP OR HIERARCHY. There is no secret stronghold where the generals meet and policies are decided upon before orders are coordinated among the troops. Therefore there is also no common creed, no defining beliefs that all of them adhere to.

All that it takes to be a "member" of Anonymous is to know a few things about computers and claim to be part of the group. ANYONE with the skills to do it can launch a computer attack, claim it as an act of Anonymous, and get headline news attention - kind of like walking into a school and shooting up a bunch of kids.

So when you see that "Anonymous has declared war on the US", what that probably means is that one hacker attacked a few government websites, and claimed it as an "Anonymous" activity.

Those YouTube videos you see where Anonymous "sends a message" to someone - they're full of "white noise" video or random images on the background, while a computer-generated voice reads out a message that was typed into the computer. The software to do that has been freely available for at least 10 years. Anyone can make one of those videos and not even be a "hacker".

Now, I'm not saying that there is not a real threat out there from some very talented, real hackers. They are real. But not every claim associated with them is real. A bunch of copycats and attention-grabbers are riding their coat tails.

While there are some things that most of the hacker community probably agree on and feel strongly about, it is extremely unlikely given their lack of leadership and structure that there can be a consensus or an organized movement from them. They're all about random strikes to make a point.

[TheTman]

The troops that confiscated guns after Katrina were ready to kill if you didn't turn over your weapon. I'm not drinking any koolaid. Just browsing through things that may be of interest to others. It's up to people to decide if they believe it or not.
I just thought it was interesting that a bunch of hackers "declared war" on the government. And what the implications of that may be. Will that trigger a witch hunt for people that may be associated with Anonymous? Will people start disappearing in the middle of the night?

There may be a lot more civillians, than military, but who has the tanks, artillery, mortors, machine guns, planes, and other machinery to even things up? Who has the leadership, organization, experience, and training at dealing with a hostile population? Take out a cities infrastucture, and the people will lose the will to fight when they get hungry enough.

I don't know if soldiers will fire on Americans. This is a whole new generation of kids in the military, educated by left wing teachers, with different values than we had as young men. To quote one young Marine staff sergeant being interviewed about firing on civilians: "Orders are orders, it's not up to me to question them." I know not everyone has that attitude, but there are those that will blindly follow orders.

[Scoundrel]

Maybe you missed the main point I made above.

What evidence is there that "a bunch of" hackers were involved in this?
What evidence is there this video was really from a real hacker, and not some random smart guy who can use a video editing program?
How can a hacker group "declare war" when they don't even know who each other are, much less have any means of organized communication between them?

Answers: There is no evidence. They cannot. Even if a real hacker attacked a website, it's not a declaration of war. It's just a vandal using a name that is popular on the news.

[TheTman]

Sorry Scoundrel, you must have posted while I was answering Muggsy.
As far as Anonymous goes, they must have some pretty talented members, they seem to be able to get into a lot of government computers that you would think would be pretty secure.
Sure anyone can post a video and say it's from Anonymous. That's no big deal.
I just thought it was interesting that they "declared war" or one of them did or whatever. I'm not here to defend them, I just thought it was interesting and thought I'd share it. Some people take them very seriously. Others just ignore them.

[muggsy]

"Anonymous" has been in the news a lot lately, and so I suggest that if you want to be informed, you should read the wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group)) about them.
I am not saying Wikipedia is an authoritative source, but it's probably the most factual information readily available to help you understand about Anonymous.

The most important thing to remember about Anonymous is that they HAVE NO LEADERSHIP OR HIERARCHY. There is no secret stronghold where the generals meet and policies are decided upon before orders are coordinated among the troops. Therefore there is also no common creed, no defining beliefs that all of them adhere to.

All that it takes to be a "member" of Anonymous is to know a few things about computers and claim to be part of the group. ANYONE with the skills to do it can launch a computer attack, claim it as an act of Anonymous, and get headline news attention - kind of like walking into a school and shooting up a bunch of kids.

So when you see that "Anonymous has declared war on the US", what that probably means is that one hacker attacked a few government websites, and claimed it as an "Anonymous" activity.

Those YouTube videos you see where Anonymous "sends a message" to someone - they're full of "white noise" video or random images on the background, while a computer-generated voice reads out a message that was typed into the computer. The software to do that has been freely available for at least 10 years. Anyone can make one of those videos and not even be a "hacker".

Now, I'm not saying that there is not a real threat out there from some very talented, real hackers. They are real. But not every claim associated with them is real. A bunch of copycats and attention-grabbers are riding their coat tails.

While there are some things that most of the hacker community probably agree on and feel strongly about, it is extremely unlikely given their lack of leadership and structure that there can be a consensus or an organized movement from them. They're all about random strikes to make a point.

That leaves me out. I still can't figure out how to post a picture. Duh.

[les strat]

Anonymous has done some weird creepy things, but have also done some things that made the .gov realize the people can retaliate when they start imposing their will against citizens. I guess I get a grin when the .gov feels a little scared.

No kool-aid. This is tainted milk. Conservatives have sat back overly-comfy for too long and not questioned the BS going down. Now look where we are.

If you do not think a huge split and possible civil war is right in our face, you have been hanging with ostriches. Our politicians are in bed with Muslim extremists and are giving them fighter jets and other arms while downgrading our own military and arms to nil. They are stripping every Constitutional right right before our eyes, and we ignorantly say, "That's cool, I have nothing to hide." But all of those infringements are stacking to the point where all it takes is one power grab, and its the early 1940's all over again. You do have something to hide as you are member of a (or many) gun forums, and you are considered an "enemy" to a lot of politicians and lefties in power. You can bet most of us are on a "list" of some sort for our view on arms and our extreme "patriotism".

I can list all the acts by name and number that have been spawned in the last decade that erase most, if not all, of our first several amendments starting with 1A. You should be able to too.

It can and possibly will happen HERE, in the good ole US. Wake up people.

:Amflag2:

[JohnR]

I don't buy any of it completely. Nameless people? Way too easy for false flag nonsense. Wouldn't surprise me if all this was done by 0bummer, Ayres and Soros. We haven't risen up in rebellion fast enough for them; they need to stir the puddin' and get us to fire the first shot.

[Ikeo74]

The first step to overthrow any country is to cause in-fighting between the citizens. Then they (whoever wants to take over) can "pick a side" to defend and make the division even wider. The effect is, there is then only half as many to defeat. There are signs that is happening now in my opinion.

[JohnR]

Even better, get one side to fight itself. Our military is mostly on our side. The moochers and leaches will sit by and pick their noses as it happens.

[OldLincoln]

Haven't heard anything in a long time about that evil Mr. soroS (I spelled his name backward as encryption). I've heard he did fund Obama's election and is still the puppet master but he is never in the news. Is he even a US citizen sworn to uphold the constitution? Is soroS even his real name?

[AIRret]

I don't know much about these anonymous hackers but I have heard numerous statements
by our government (so called) and various financial institutions about cyber terrorist attacks on America.
If they want to shut down America all they have to do is crash all the computers.

[JohnR]

Meh, this admin is probably going to crash it all themselves.

They will "reveal" that the Anonymous group is based in Israel, so they can blame the Jews, or more specifically, the "Zionists" whatever they are. Is that like "Islamist"?

[AIRret]

THat would fit real well into their plans.

[Scoundrel]

Now this is a bit more unnerving than a generic "declaring war on the U.S."
A hacker who can do this earns my respect*, and I'll take him/her seriously about a claim to belong to "Anonymous".

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/fed-says-internal-site-breached-hackers-no-critical-functions-affected-1B8263618

*Note that my respect, in this instance, is akin to the kind of respect seen between Vassili Zaitsev and Major König in "Enemy at the Gates" (2001) - the movie about a Russian sniper and a German sniper playing a game of cat-and-mouse during the Battle of Stalingrad. It's the kind of respect you feel for a difficult enemy right up until you put a bullet between his eyes.