Kahr K9 Question

[Goffman]

Question for the Kahr aficionados:

I've owned a Kahr PM9 for two years, and I love it.....so much so, in fact, that I bought a new Kahr K9 without ever having seen one except online (I was unable to find one in any of the my local gunstores). I picked up the new K9 today, and, overall, it's very nice. However, I noticed right off the bat that the trigger on the new K9 is rougher than my PM9, almost "gritty" in the way it feels. In contrast, the trigger on my PM9 is completely smooth without a single hangup or rough spot. Granted, I haven't disassembled or cleaned the new K9 yet (I'll do that tonight), but I'm wondering whether this is a normal condition for the trigger on a new K9, and whether it is likely to smooth out to the point that it will be comparable to the trigger on my PM9. Has anyone here purchased both a new PM9 and a new K9 and been able to compare the triggers?

As a point of clarification, the new K9 is not an NYPD model with the longer trigger pull (i.e., not a K9094C). It's just the standard K9094.

Thanks, in advance, for your time with this question.

Best,

Goffman

[laserfish]

I am fairly new, but have a k9 and it is smooth as butter. Is this a brand new gun? My new T9 trigger is also silky smooth. My e9 got rough so I took off the grips and cleaned the trigger arm, smoothed it out with some rubbing compound where it was really smooth, reattached the grips and the trigger was smooth again. Might be something between the trigger arm and the grip. Welcome, gotta love me some steel.

[Goffman]

Yep, this is a brand new K9. I'll take it apart tonight and see what is going on inside.

Back to my question though, I'm continuing my little investigatory comparison of my K9 and PM9, and, in addition to being grittier, the K9 definitely has more slack at the front end of the trigger pull. Yet, supposedly the two guns use the same trigger system. Again, can anyone who owns both a K9 and a PM9 compare for me the triggers on their two guns so I can determine whether this is an unusual situation or commonplace?

[wyntrout]

I have both and they should be similar in trigger pull. Watch the take down video for the metal-framed pistols before dis-assembly and re-assembly. the PM9 and Kahr are different in the process, especially the lineup for removing or inserting the slide lock pin.

Here is my list of links and stuff to look at:

Welcome to the Kahrtalk forum supported by Kahr Arms.
Here are a few essential links and things to do BEFORE you take your new pistol to the range, and ESPECIALLY BEFORE taking it apart and trying to re-assemble it! The Kahr is a different design… 6-7 unique patents cover the Kahrs. I’m not trying to imply that you don’t know anything about guns, but many don’t know anything about the Kahrs and some of the things you can do to damage or cause malfunctions of your new, or new-to-you Kahr pistol.
First, if you don’t have a manual, yet, or one didn’t come with your pistol, you can download the pdf file here:
http://www.kahr.com/PDF/kahrmanual.pdf
Impatient? Watch one of these videos FIRST! These videos can point out possible problem areas and emphasize correct procedures!
Take down and re-assembly videos:
T, TP, CW, P, & PM/CM Series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G2cZgVg_SwA
MK series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zXmSCnIOaUk#t=0s
K series:
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9-Elite.asp
There are many links on fixing problems listed in several places… under the New Member or Kahr Tech sub-forums.
A very handy one is the Kahr Lube Diagram:
http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14750
Many of your questions can be answered in these areas and you can learn how your Kahr works and not damage it with improper handling.
Frequently asked questions: http://www.kahr.com/faq.asp?
There are many helpful members here most of the time who might be able to help you, but as anywhere, there are many opinions and not all are correct. Be mindful of this before doing anything drastic to modify your pistol!

Wynn:)
Aka wyntrout

[7shot]

First, I do not own a PM9 but I do own K9. That being said my K9 trigger is very smooth and has been that way since the day i first fired it. This was one of the reasons I bought it. Hopefully yours is just a bit rough (due to new gun grit) and will smooth out with a good cleaning.

[wyntrout]

I have the orange take-down block for the K9, but I also use the cap of a Sharpie to hold the slide in the correct position of removing or inserting the slide lock pin. I put the Sharpie pen in my mouth and use my hands to hold the slide back until I find the best part of the Sharpie pen cover to hold the slide open in the ejection port.

Wynn:)

[ripley16]

Of all of the triggers on my Kahrs, (eight of them), my K9, with elite trigger, is by far the smoothest. I suspect there is a piece of gunk somewhere in the mechanism that's causing drag. Pay special attention to the trigger bar. A good cleaning and lube, followed by some shooting should elimimate the grittiness.

Enjoy your new K9.

[jocko]

Question for the Kahr aficionados:

I've owned a Kahr PM9 for two years, and I love it.....so much so, in fact, that I bought a new Kahr K9 without ever having seen one except online (I was unable to find one in any of the my local gunstores). I picked up the new K9 today, and, overall, it's very nice. However, I noticed right off the bat that the trigger on the new K9 is rougher than my PM9, almost "gritty" in the way it feels. In contrast, the trigger on my PM9 is completely smooth without a single hangup or rough spot. Granted, I haven't disassembled or cleaned the new K9 yet (I'll do that tonight), but I'm wondering whether this is a normal condition for the trigger on a new K9, and whether it is likely to smooth out to the point that it will be comparable to the trigger on my PM9. Has anyone here purchased both a new PM9 and a new K9 and been able to compare the triggers?

As a point of clarification, the new K9 is not an NYPD model with the longer trigger pull (i.e., not a K9094C). It's just the standard K9094.

Thanks, in advance, for your time with this question.

Best,

Goffman

the gun, lube it per kahr lube chart.

take the right grip off the gun and look at that trigger bar where that little springhy sits on top of it on the top of the trigger bar. PUt some gun grease right there on that little spring where it contacts the bar.

Now go out and shoot the gun for 200 rounds and it will smooth perfectly.

U do need to clean the striker channel IMO. look at the kahr tech section under propper prepping of ur kahr, there are some dandy tips tclean that slide striker channel without taking it apart even. although I would for the first time take that slide down and be absolutely sure u have all crapola out of there if there is any in there.

Nuttin wrong with your K9, just needs some usage..

I think the time to start asking the questions ur asking is after u givbe it a good cleaning and lubing and 200 rounds, thenif it persists, this foruj can help u. Great gun, u should love it.

[Goffman]

Thanks, everyone, for your insights! I really appreciate. I belong to a couple of firearms forums (as do we all, I'm sure), and I'm always struck by how helpful (and quick) is the feedback on this forum. Thanks!

At any rate, I took the gun apart (just the basic breakdown, not taking apart the upper into its constituent parts), cleaned it thoroughly, oiled everything (including the point where that spring rides over the trigger bar, the space where the trigger bar glides over the lower, etc.), reassembled, and then cycled the slide and pulled the trigger 150 times or so. The trigger does seem to be *slightly* smoother, but I suspect that folks here are right that there is grit in the striker channel. I may wait on that until after my first trip to the range to see if the grittiness in the trigger works itself out. In addition, I'm going to send the pistol back to Kahr to have night sights installed, and I may see if they can look at the problem while it's in there.

That issue aside, this is one well balanced and naturally pointing pistol. It should feel a lot heavier than it does (especially compared to my PM9), but it seems surprisingly lightweight to me. It makes me glad that I bought the K9 instead of the K40, as I'll bet the K40 is not very fun to shoot for long periods of time.

[Goffman]

P.S. This K9 was a bear to take down the first time. I remember thinking the same thing about my PM9 the first few times that I took it down, but now I can take it down without the assistance of tools. Does the K9 get easier to take down after a few range trips and cleanings?

[jocko]

I would suspect if u just shot the gun a few hundred rounds ur little issues would dissappear.

Nice to have kahr install the sights but your gonna pay dearly just to send the gun back to them to hav ethem install them on the slide, which u can send backyourself to ahr regular mail for bout $8. Sending the entire gun back unless u have not checked is not gonna bne cheap. could cost you 60 plus and plus return postage from kahr.

They are notgonna **** the gun in for u once they put the sights on, so why not just send the slide back and getit done as low in price as u can. Just tryinbg togive u some money saving tips here..

[Goffman]

That's helpful, Jocko. Thank you.

So, you're saying just send the slide in, right? If they don't sight it in after installing the sights, how do I get it sighted in? I don't have a slide pusher or anything else of that sort.

[jocko]

they can't sight a gun in for u or me. they will center the sights and then after that ur own ur own, normally that is good enough.They don't sight in new guns they make either, They test fire for group only. Somethings u gotta do for urself.

U probalby won't need a pusher it will be more than likely good to go. If it was my gunI would just send the slide in regular mail through usp service. that is 100% legal.

awise decision to let kahr do it though as soetimes those rear sights just don't wanna come off. Let them do it, they made it

If this gun is new, I would also with ur cellphone camer takes photos of the slide showingthe rearand rontsight from all anges. Lastthing u wanna do is get a gun back that is damaged by poor workmanship and haveto fight as tohow it got that way. Before and after photos go a lngway towards getting the right results. Again, letting experts do it is the way to go.

I would suggest the photo thing if u take it to a local smitty to. Sometimes these smittys let their ass over ride their mouth on what they can and cannot do. Just CYA.

[NoBite]

A tip I picked up on this site is to use the base plate end of a Kahr mag to tap out the slide stop.


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[laserfish]

If you put in an empty mag while removing the slide stop, it makes it much easier. I can push mine out with my thumb that way.