Ohio cops fire over 100 rnds at people in car

[TheTman]

This event happend last November, so you may be aware of it.
I hadn't heard anything about it, so thought I'd share this bit of lunacy

EAST CLEVELAND, OH -- Two unarmed suspects were slain by police officers after a 25-minute pursuit. At the conclusion of the chase, which included 62 police vehicles and 115 officers. A total of 13 officers drew their weapons and unloaded at least 137 rounds in to the suspects' Chevy Malibu. The suspects had no weapons, and not one single officer reported seeing a weapon. The police were so violent and so reckless that they even shot up their own cruisers with friendly fire.

The police supervisor was only aware of 3 patrol cars pursuing the suspects. The remaining 59 had no authorization to join the chase, and ignored dispatch's instructions to terminate pursuit.

One officer climbed on top of the suspects' vehicle and shot 49 rounds into the occupants." He stated he saw some movement in the car, so he pumped another 49 bullets into the unarmed occupants saying he feared for his life.

Note: The occupants were unarmed.

More Info at: http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/dewine-deadly-chaseshooting-investigation-shows-systemic-failure-in-cleveland-police-department

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plo15wdOLfw

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/02/cleveland_police_chase_and_shooting_scene.html

WELCOME TO AMERIKA! Where the police are judge, jury, and executioner. (My apologies to all those good cops among us, but things like this make me leery of you.)

[eireguy]

And they worry about normal people with hi cap mags..

[steve666]

They talk about how even the police are suffering from the ammunition shortages. With this type of marksmanship it is no wonder!!! It harkens back to the old saw about the safest place to be is where they are shooting.

[CJB]

Police are often too quick to want a right now solution instead of just waiting it out.

[Chuck54]

Maybe with all of the budget short falls some agencies recruiting is not what it should be. Quality recruits want a decent salary. Sometimes you get what you pay for.

[muggsy]

The incident started with two police officers reporting being shot at in front of the Cleveland Justice Center. It escalated into a high speed chase at speeds in excess of 100 mph through the city streets of Cleveland. The car was identified as being owned by a known felon. The chase ended in a school yard in East Cleveland with the driver trying to ram a police car. The police opened fire in fear for their lives and the lives of their fellow officers. An autopsy showed that both occupants of the vehicle had alcohol and illegal drugs in their blood. I am in complete sympathy with the officers in the Cleveland Police Department. Neither occupant would have been shot had they simply pulled over instead of engaging in an attempt at illegal flight, evading arrest and an attempt to assault police officers.

[muggsy]

This event happend last November, so you may be aware of it.
I hadn't heard anything about it, so thought I'd share this bit of lunacy

EAST CLEVELAND, OH -- Two unarmed suspects were slain by police officers after a 25-minute pursuit. At the conclusion of the chase, which included 62 police vehicles and 115 officers. A total of 13 officers drew their weapons and unloaded at least 137 rounds in to the suspects' Chevy Malibu. The suspects had no weapons, and not one single officer reported seeing a weapon. The police were so violent and so reckless that they even shot up their own cruisers with friendly fire.

The police supervisor was only aware of 3 patrol cars pursuing the suspects. The remaining 59 had no authorization to join the chase, and ignored dispatch's instructions to terminate pursuit.

One officer climbed on top of the suspects' vehicle and shot 49 rounds into the occupants." He stated he saw some movement in the car, so he pumped another 49 bullets into the unarmed occupants saying he feared for his life.

Note: The occupants were unarmed.

More Info at: http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/dewine-deadly-chaseshooting-investigation-shows-systemic-failure-in-cleveland-police-department

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Plo15wdOLfw

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/02/cleveland_police_chase_and_shooting_scene.html

WELCOME TO AMERIKA! Where the police are judge, jury, and executioner. (My apologies to all those good cops among us, but things like this make me leery of you.)

Interesting that you would take a liberal point of view on this shooting. Reread the article. The officer was on the roof of his patrol car not the suspects car. This happened at night with bullets flying in all directions. I'm sure if you had been involved in the shoot that you would have read them their Miranda Rights first and shot later.

[Armybrat]

So how many rounds actually hit the "alleged" suspects?

[7shot]

So how many rounds actually hit the "alleged" suspects?

reading at how many weapons were fired and rate of fire, probably 4. :crazy:

[muggsy]

reading at how many weapons were fired and rate of fire, probably 4. :crazy:

The police fired 137 rounds. The gun fire lasted for slightly over 20 seconds. The driver and passenger were hit by 27 and 28 rounds respectively. Posted is a link to a police dash cam film of the incident.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/05/east-cleveland-cops-fire-137-shots-in-20

[jocko]

Hello waco

[jocko]

to many officersinvolved in this shooting for the BLUE WALL to appear. They would never be abl toget allthe officers to tell the same story, whether it be true or false. The fact that these wereindeed two druggies appeared after they were dead, ot before tht. so not sure we should jude the dead on this basis for itis after the fact. Major major police procedures were not used here that is for sure. they should be damn lucky they didn't end up shootin each utter either. none of these storeis fo one person in the car pointing agn at them is gonna stick either unless the find the missing gun.

wow what a mess,just kinda hard to say it was a good shoot either...

[chrish]

They are lucky they didn't hit an innocent bystander. That's the only thing I'd be concerned about here. Yes, if procedure wasn't followed that's bad. Yes, if they have become judge, jury, executioner, that's bad. But it seems neither of those were the case here. Two potentially dangerous dudes did something bad, police responded, police felt threatened by the perp(s) actions (earlier shots fired, car being used as potential weapon, high speed chase, etc).

But yes, the obvious lack of training and poor judgment here could have easily landed a bystander in the hospital or 6 feet under and the department should consider that and deal with it appropriate. Not a question in my mind that at least 1 of those officers doesn't belong on the force for any number of reasons...poor marksmanship to feeling he needed to empty 90+ rounds into 2 suspects with 17 other officers on the scene. My math might be off there, too lazy to re-read the article.

[jocko]

earlier shots fired, was never confirmed and without a smokinggun, that willnot fly IMO.

Potentially dangerous dudes, also requires good police judgement, I am very surprised that officers didot shoot officers, certainly they had no clue as to what was really going on either.

They are trying to hang zimmerman for what basically these cops perceived to be true and justified at the time. I'mnot defending the bad guys here either, they fled the police, that was their firstmistake. the fact they were on drugs, , the police had no clue of that until after the fact. Mind u that is gonna playout though as a cuase for a just shootin. Mind u also these two were black, that probalby won't set willwith the african amercians either. Have to wait andsee if Rev.Al shows up.

The Public should expect far more professionalism than what happened here. Just sayin

[muggsy]

Rev. Al won't show up. He's not welcome in Cleveland. The Police followed procedure, but the prescribed procedure was determined to be at fault in the incident, not the officers. The only repercussions that I've heard of is that the Sanitation Workers Union is filing a grievance against the Police Department Union for taking out the garbage. Welcome to Cleveland.

[Bawanna]

Awww Muggsy your killing me, grievance for taking out the garbage, I just love that!

[MikeyKahr]

Welcome to Cleveland is right. This was a ho hum story last year. Not sure why its getting attention now, maybe DeWine's comment?

[jocko]

wtf, u mean this just didn'thappen. screw that old news then...

[muggsy]

Welcome to Cleveland is right. This was a ho hum story last year. Not sure why its getting attention now, maybe DeWine's comment?

Today the outcome of the State investigation into the matter was revealed. They haven't wasted enough of the tax payers money, so now the matter goes before a Grand Jury. Riots and protests are more subdued in January and February than they are in July or August. Just sayin.

[muggsy]

wtf, u mean this just didn'thappen. screw that old news then...

Jocko, I'll bet your PM9 didn't fire as many rounds as fast as the Cleveland police did. :)

[TheTman]

I don't see how I am taking a "liberal point of view." Does commenting on an overreaction by a police department make me liberal? Just because a person has a badge and gun, do they get to do whatever they want? NO.
When most of the officers involved disobey orders to quit pursuing a vehicle, that sounds to me like a department that is a bit out of control.
The cops say they thought someone was shooting at them, but no gun was ever found. From officer Siefer:
"He's pointing the gun. He's pointing the gun out the back window. Heads up. Heads up. Passenger is pointing a gun out the back window. Everybody be careful," Siefer said.
Siefer later told investigators he didn't actually see a gun. "Despite not actually seeing a gun, Siefer broadcast on the radio that the passenger has just pointed a gun out the rear window," the report said.
So you basically lie to your comrades, and get everyone all wound up, and end up with around 140 rounds being fired into a car and the occupants executed.
I have no idea why they didn't pull over, but I imagine they were probably afraid too,
a felon, probably with drugs on him, decided to take his chances and make a run for it. Being wasted on drugs doesn't help any with doing the smart or right thing.
All I'm saying, is it seems that most of the cops went vigilanty on the car, ignoring dispatch to cease their pursuit of the vehicle. It's a wonder one of the cops didn't shoot a fellow officer. In fact one of the reports of an officer being fired upon, turned out to be "friendly fire" from other officers
What if it was one of us, say in New York, with an illegal standard capacity magazine in our possesion and we didn't want to get made an example out of by the local judicial system and decided to take off instead of pull over, until we could ditch the mag. Would you feel any different? But just because it was a couple of dark skinned people high on drugs it's ok for the cops to ignore orders, and execute them? Despite no one actually seeing any weapon displayed, or anyone being shot at by the suspects. All based on one cop telling a lie about someone shooting at him. I don't care how you spin it, it still stinks.
Yes, it may be old news, but was new to me when I read about it, and hadn't seen any of this before. And apparently none of the rest of us had.
So we should just ignore it since it happend a couple months ago?

In this case, I think things got way out of control by officers ignoring orders, lieing about being shot at, and taking things way too far, and making up things to make the suspects appear to be more dangerous than they were.
Here is the AG's summary, the best account I've read so far: http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/OhioAttorneyGeneral/files/93/9312f0eb-5d21-4c1c-b2cb-fac47528258e.pdf

I didn't post the story, to ridicule the Police, but I believe we do need to pay attention to things like this, if we don't want to end up in a police state. Some officers have gotten a bad attitude lately, arresting people for filming them and standing up for their rights I think the officers involved believed they were doing the right thing, and just got carried away in the moment. BUT, the Police have to obey the law too, as well as enforce it.

[eireguy]

+1 for this ^

[muggsy]

I don't see how I am taking a "liberal point of view." Does commenting on an overreaction by a police department make me liberal? Just because a person has a badge and gun, do they get to do whatever they want? NO.
When most of the officers involved disobey orders to quit pursuing a vehicle, that sounds to me like a department that is a bit out of control.
The cops say they thought someone was shooting at them, but no gun was ever found. From officer Siefer:
"He's pointing the gun. He's pointing the gun out the back window. Heads up. Heads up. Passenger is pointing a gun out the back window. Everybody be careful," Siefer said.
Siefer later told investigators he didn't actually see a gun. "Despite not actually seeing a gun, Siefer broadcast on the radio that the passenger has just pointed a gun out the rear window," the report said.
So you basically lie to your comrades, and get everyone all wound up, and end up with around 140 rounds being fired into a car and the occupants executed.
I have no idea why they didn't pull over, but I imagine they were probably afraid too,
a felon, probably with drugs on him, decided to take his chances and make a run for it. Being wasted on drugs doesn't help any with doing the smart or right thing.
All I'm saying, is it seems that most of the cops went vigilanty on the car, ignoring dispatch to cease their pursuit of the vehicle. It's a wonder one of the cops didn't shoot a fellow officer. In fact one of the reports of an officer being fired upon, turned out to be "friendly fire" from other officers
What if it was one of us, say in New York, with an illegal standard capacity magazine in our possesion and we didn't want to get made an example out of by the local judicial system and decided to take off instead of pull over, until we could ditch the mag. Would you feel any different? But just because it was a couple of dark skinned people high on drugs it's ok for the cops to ignore orders, and execute them? Despite no one actually seeing any weapon displayed, or anyone being shot at by the suspects. All based on one cop telling a lie about someone shooting at him. I don't care how you spin it, it still stinks.
Yes, it may be old news, but was new to me when I read about it, and hadn't seen any of this before. And apparently none of the rest of us had.
So we should just ignore it since it happend a couple months ago?

In this case, I think things got way out of control by officers ignoring orders, lieing about being shot at, and taking things way too far, and making up things to make the suspects appear to be more dangerous than they were.
Here is the AG's summary, the best account I've read so far: http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/OhioAttorneyGeneral/files/93/9312f0eb-5d21-4c1c-b2cb-fac47528258e.pdf

I didn't post the story, to ridicule the Police, but I believe we do need to pay attention to things like this, if we don't want to end up in a police state. Some officers have gotten a bad attitude lately, arresting people for filming them and standing up for their rights I think the officers involved believed they were doing the right thing, and just got carried away in the moment. BUT, the Police have to obey the law too, as well as enforce it.

You parroted the liberal pap spewed by the liberal media concerning the shooting. Perhaps you should listen to the words of our Attorney Generals in his report after a six month investigation of the incident. Who are you to say that the police overreacted, or not. Were you on scene? I have a tendency to wait until an official investigation is made before making any judgement. You have a tendency to go with what you hear from the media. I had no intention of making this personal, but since you asked, I answered. The AG said that the police acted within established guide lines. It was the system, not the police who failed.

The shots fired report was verified by a civilian parking lot attendant on scene and others. No police officers disobeyed orders. Some orders were transmitted on the general frequency instead of the pursuit frequency to which the pursuing officers had switched. The perps acted in a manner without regard for life or property endangering everyone in the community. The officers resolved the situation without injury or loss of life to themselves or the law abiding community. There would have been no pursuit or shots fired if these fine upstanding crack addicts had just pulled over. I say, "Job well done."

[TheTman]

Where is the gun? Where were the shell casings? I don't see any description of them being given a chance to surrender. The civilian reported he heard what he thought was a gunshot. It could have been something else. Were they ever given a chance to surrender? Or if they moved to surrender was that interpretted as an aggressive move and they were executed? How did they endanger EVERYONE in the comunity? I think you had a bunch of pissed off cops, full of adrenalin, shooting at each other in the crossfire and blaming the suspects. Produce a gun and I'll shut up. The searched the entire chase route, and found nothing. Of course someone could have come along and found a gun if they tossed it. But when did they toss it? It seems shots were reported right up to the time they got them cornered. Maybe they were trying to surrender when the one cop saw movement and jumped on the hood of his car and pumped 49 bullets into the suspect vehicle. Muggs, you believe whatever you want too. All I can say, is if no gun was found at the kill zone, then they could have been taken alive.

[getsome]

This is just my opinion but I think that anybody stupid enough to use a 2 ton automobile to run from the Police IS endangering the general public and should be stopped in any way possible up to and including using a RPG if necessary....Running at high speed in a vehicle from the Police is no different than a criminal walking down the street shooting indiscriminately, somebody will eventually get hurt or killed and they MUST be stopped by any means available...

The drugged up BG's were using a deadly weapon to try and escape the Police and even if they didn't have a gun and in the aftermath of that escape attempt they ended up swiss cheese then too bad for them and good riddance!!!...Sorry but stupid is as stupid does...

I get so tired of seeing these long distance Police chases on TV that many times end up getting an innocent driver or pedestrian killed it makes me sick and I want in the future to see cars built with radio controlled cut off devices the Police can use to stop the chase before things get out of hand and IMPO after they do get the BG's stopped I would like to see the cops have the right to go all out Rodney King and beat the holy crap out of them all while filming it for the whole world to see if for nothing else for them being such a dumb *** d!ck head and so that any other wanna be punk moron can see what happens to you when you try running from the PoPo!!!....

In the Cleveland case I think the only thing the cops did wrong was to use poor marksmanship and waste too much ammo and the fact that they ended up having to use a wet vac to take the punks to the morgue and strain their sorry remains for fingerprints doesn't bother me one little bit....Like said before, Cops taking out the garbage...:59:

[TheTman]

They are already working on technology to be implemented in cars made in and after 2014 to be used for tracking vehicles, and possibly disabling them if needed. That could be a great way to target potential domestic terrorists, by tracking all the cars going to gun ranges. You know, all of us clinging to our guns and bibles.
So, they hit the switch and all the new cars around come to a halt. I hope that doesn't include Ambulances and Firetrucks. The thing is, most these lowlifes, are not going to be driving new cars. I agree were stupid for fleeing and endangering people out on the streets. Fortunately no innocent people were run over in this case.
They definitely needed executed on the spot.
You have a great idea there, anyone that resists arrest, just shoot them or beat them to death. That would save the taxpayers a lot of money by not having to mess with a trial, and pay for keeping them in jail. And we might as well execute anyone caught driving drunk, they are definately endangering lives, by getting behind the wheel and driving. I see a lot more people killed by drunk drivers, than in high speed pursuits.
Anyone causing a fatal accident while driving drunk should just be taken to the side of the road and shot. On film, as a warning to other people thinking about drinking and driving.
I'd like to see a breathalizer installed in every car where you had to blow into a device before your car would start. At least those can be retrofitted to any car out there. We should probably add something to test blood for illegal drugs too, something like a diabetic test kit that would analyze your blood before you could start your car. Those are a couple of things that would save a lot of lives. Seriously.

[Ikeo74]

You know, it wouldn't take too many of the cop executions to get the bad guys thinking running from the Police is not a good idea.......

[jocko]

their dead, a mute point now. Hopefully sumpin was learned from this to. We see these chases alot of national tv where the cops just follow in pursuit but basicaly work out a stragedy for sumpin to happen down the road. I doubt if BG will lear a lesson from this though, when ur on dope, u think u are king. Not sure if they shouold have died like they did either but again not my call to make. I WAS NOT THERE. I do think with all the rounds fired, that no one wa sin control at the scene and they are damn lucky no civilian got shot down the road or even the cops them selves..

[Armybrat]

wtf, u mean this just didn'thappen. screw that old news then...

Yeah, but there's still no shortage of garbage anywhere in this country, unfortunately.

[Armybrat]

The police fired 137 rounds. The gun fire lasted for slightly over 20 seconds. The driver and passenger were hit by 27 and 28 rounds respectively. Posted is a link to a police dash cam film of the incident.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/05/east-cleveland-cops-fire-137-shots-in-20

That's better shot placement than the NYPD displayed last years.

[getsome]

I pretty much agree with your ideas there Tman, I suppose I'm a hard hearted man sometimes but I'm totally sick and tired of all the lack of law and order these days and how my city like many others has become pretty much a war zone and I don't feel safe even going to the grocery store unarmed....I'm sure the Police get tired of the punks they arrest being back on the street before their shift is over only to have to arrest them over and over for the same crimes...The criminals no longer have any respect for the Police or anyone else for that matter and are basically street predator animals and need to be treated as such....

I do think if we started using real guidelines and penalties for clear cut guilty crimes that can't be litigated or plea bargained away or reduced for good behavior then perhaps criminals would stop and think about it before acting for example, I have no problem with the death sentenance for someone who causes an accident resulting in anothers death while driving drunk...Thats an eye for an eye and you can bet they won't do it again...I think a drunk driving conviction should get a person an automatic 10 years in prison which should stop most people from drinking and driving and for those who try it anyway and get caught then too bad pal, think about it for 10 years and see if that changes your mind...

I would like to see a mandatory 25 year sentanance for computer hacking resulting in malicious damage to another persons computer or property,, I say find something else to do junior and hopefully that would put a stop to that kind of crap....

A few others, armed robbery, automatic life no parole....Hard drug dealing like crack, meth, heroine or cocaine, automatic life no parole...and last for anyone found guilty of child sexual abuse a beheading would be perfect...

Give me a while and I'll think of some others for you.....

[Bawanna]

Getsome, your all ready on my cyber mano mano list but I'm putting a couple gold stars next to your name. The feds are gonna be scratching their head if they ever get hands on my little black book.

We're gonna need more prisons, good for the construction industry, good for employment.

And for the sex crime beheadings, I'm your man, I'll bring the proper tools.

[Tinman507]

And for the sex crime beheadings, I'm your man, I'll bring the proper tools.

Kinky!

-lj056ao6GE

[TheTman]

I counseled an alcholic that killed a person while driving drunk. He only did SEVEN years in prison. In some European countries, just getting caught driving drunk has more severe penalties than that. I've counseled others that have had 6 or more DUI's and never did more than a month or two in jail. Totally outrageous.
I'm not a big fan of mandatory sentences, due to the fact that people in possesion of small amounts of drugs, often end up doing more time than murderer's. Big time dealers, should get what's coming to them, especially the Meth dealers, who push a substance that is cheap, yet causes untold havoc and death to the users and their families. But I'd rather see the Judge and Jury dictate what they deserve. Sometimes there are extenuating circumstances that should be considered, like the guy that distributes pot to people with cancer to help with the side effects of chemo, yet the guidelines insist on putting him in prison for longer than some people get for murder. For drunk driving, it's hard to say, some states allow .08 BAC, while others allow .10. So if you have say .09, should that be 10 years in prison, when it's perfectly legal in other states? .08 is 2 or 3 beers depending on body weight. Are you too drunk to drive? Much depends on your tolerance and other factors, like is it reacting with some medicine making you more loopy. 1 beer on top of a Benydryl is too much for some people to drive responsibly. Yet they are legal to drive. Things like that make me think the Judge and Jury are in a better situation to sentence the offender rather than some guideline. Standing your ground is another thing, in some states if you stand your ground, you have committed murder, and in others it's legal. Guidelines just don't take circumstances into consideration. Say you had 3 beers, and something happens and your spouse or child and they need to get to the hospital right away, and you live where it would take an Ambulance 30 minutes to get there and another 30 minutes to get to the Hospital. Should you go ahead and take them to the hospital and maybe save their life, or should you wait on the Ambulance and possibly have them die on you. Again, thats a tough decision, that a guideline won't consider. MOST people can drive fairly well after 3 beers, some can't. If you get to the Hospital, and an officer smells alcohol on your breath and decides to give you a breathalizer, you could end up in big trouble, for trying to save a life. While I doubt many hard drug dealers have any circumstances that would call for a lighter sentence than a guideline, i'd still rather have a Judge and Jury determine the sentence. What if he sold his poison to some kid that dies from it, but the guidelines say for the amount he had, he only gets 5 years, when he should get a longer sentence for basically murdering that kid.
Child abuse is a whole different thing. I loved the Stephen King short story where some rapist or child molester got off on a technicality, so the locals grabbed him and took him to some old cabin out in the woods, and nailed his ***** to a wall, left him with dull rusty knife, and set the building on fire. I could get real mean with someone that abuses children.

[TheTman]

****** was pen!s. I didn't know that we couldn't say that word here.

[muggsy]

Where is the gun? Where were the shell casings? I don't see any description of them being given a chance to surrender. The civilian reported he heard what he thought was a gunshot. It could have been something else. Were they ever given a chance to surrender? Or if they moved to surrender was that interpretted as an aggressive move and they were executed? How did they endanger EVERYONE in the comunity? I think you had a bunch of pissed off cops, full of adrenalin, shooting at each other in the crossfire and blaming the suspects. Produce a gun and I'll shut up. The searched the entire chase route, and found nothing. Of course someone could have come along and found a gun if they tossed it. But when did they toss it? It seems shots were reported right up to the time they got them cornered. Maybe they were trying to surrender when the one cop saw movement and jumped on the hood of his car and pumped 49 bullets into the suspect vehicle. Muggs, you believe whatever you want too. All I can say, is if no gun was found at the kill zone, then they could have been taken alive.

The moment the police turned on the flashing blue lights and siren the perps were given the opportunity to surrender. The police chase ran about twenty five minutes from the Justice Center in downtown Cleveland through Bratenahl and into E. Cleveland through predominantly black neighborhoods. The chase ended with a head on collision with a patrol car. You can follow the pursuit route and look for the gun which was in all probability dumped during the chase through the predominantly black neighborhoods, but I suggest that you do it during the daylight hours and carry a gun of your own. You might even request a police escort. I'm sure that they would be willing to assist you in your quest for the missing gun. I'm also sure that a quick trip through E. Cleveland will remove you from the fantasy world inwhich you currently reside and bring you back to reality.

[jocko]

Getsome, your all ready on my cyber mano mano list but I'm putting a couple gold stars next to your name. The feds are gonna be scratching their head if they ever get hands on my little black book.

We're gonna need more prisons, good for the construction industry, good for employment.

And for the sex crime beheadings, I'm your man, I'll bring the proper tools.

ol jocko is not in ur black book:amflag: and why do we always call athem a BLACK BOOK, could it also be a Muslim book, hunkie book, dago book, why does the black book always get preferential listing??? Just sayin

[JFootin]

I saw that the cops who are searching for the rogue ex-cop in California shot up a blue SUV matching the description of his vehicle, and then realized it was the wrong vehicle and occupied by innocent citizens. They didn't say if those citizens were wounded or killed, but photos of the vehicle looked like Bonnie and Clyde's car after the ambush. I'd like to know, but even Fox News glossed over it with no report about the welfare of those hapless citizens.

[getsome]

Chief Sullivan: Well O'malley tell me what happened after you got the perpetrator's vehicle stopped after the high speed chase?...

Officer O'Malley: Well Chief, we identifed ourselves as Police officers and as we approached the vehicle the perps pulled out guns and pointed them in my officers general direction...I told them they were under arrest and to drop their guns or we would fire...

Chief Sullivan: Then what?...

Officer O'Malley: The perps didn't immediately surrender so all 10 officers pulled our service weapons and fired into the vehicle until empty...

Chief Sullivan: Ok Ok then what, did they give up?...

Officer O'Malley: Well not exactely, the perps started laughing and continued to point their pistols at my officers...

Chief Sullivan: My God man, what did you do then?....

Officer P'Malley: We all reloaded with new magazines and walked closer to the vehicle and all of us fired our service weapons at the perps at POINT BLANK RANGE until empty....

Chief Sullivan: Great job O'Malley, that had to have done it...Now to the best of your memory what happened next?

Officer O'Malley: They left......:rolleyes:

[jocko]

I saw that the cops who are searching for the rogue ex-cop in California shot up a blue SUV matching the description of his vehicle, and then realized it was the wrong vehicle and occupied by innocent citizens. They didn't say if those citizens were wounded or killed, but photos of the vehicle looked like Bonnie and Clyde's car after the ambush. I'd like to know, but even Fox News glossed over it with no report about the welfare of those hapless citizens.

COLLECTORAL DAMAGE..:Amflag2:

In Iraq we want to prosecute oursoldiers if they do that stuff but over here it is OK.

[MikeyKahr]

Better then colorectal I guess. Maybe collateral?

[TheTman]

What fantasy world is it that I am living in Muggs? One where cops never do anything wrong, or if they do, then it's ok because they have a badge? One where the government always has your best interest at heart?

No, my fantasy world would be one where libtards aren't in control of the government, one where every reponsible household has at least one gun. One where we could actually trust the government to do the best thing for the people, instead of doing the bidding of corporations. One where we are truly free, and abide by the Constitution, instead of trampling it "for our safety". One where the government fears us, instead of us fearing them. One where congress has to abide by the same laws we do, and not have automatic pay raises, and a cushy pension, and the best medical care that most people can't afford, or our insurance refuses to pay for it. One where agencies like the EPA can't tell you what you can and can't do with your own property as long as it doesn't screw someone elses property up. One where violent criminals, are put away for long periods, instead of being paroled in 2 or 3 years. One where PEOPLE are responsible for their actions, not inantimate objects (guns), or society's failings. One where people earn their way, and not expect government handouts to get them by. And one where taxes don't eat you alive.

BTW Social Security is not a handout, We've paid into the system all our lives, yet the crooks in Washington have squandered the money and the system is broke, and no one is willing to try and fix it, instead they want to reduce your payment, while the price of most everything keeps going up.

[jocko]

Better then colorectal I guess. Maybe collateral?

I meant collateral:Amflag2: course 90% knew that here to and the utter 10% are stil in the learing process.