CM9 Slide issues?

[tcme64]

I recently purchased my first Kahr handgun. A CM9. I have many handguns and years of experience shooting. I am hoping I found the perfect CCW. Size and weight are great. Kudos to Kahr.

The problem I am noticing is when I chamber a round I rarely can pull slide back and let it go.(sling shoting). The slide stops because the round wont chamber. I have to pull it back and push it forward. It feels like there is a catch when the slide is about half way closed. I can't tell if it is having trouble feeding the first round or what is happening but it does feel like i have to help that first round into the chamber. I have fired over 300 rounds of a variety of different brands of ammo with few minor jams. Gun is always clean and oiled. I am using their 7 round mags.

Has anyone else noticed this? Or is this just the nature of the CM9? Any ideas?

[muggsy]

In the owners manual Kahr instructs you to chamber a round using the slide release. (When all else fails read the manual.) Kahr pistols are very tight when new. After the break in period you should be able to chamber a round using the slingshot method if the method is properly employed. Click on the link to learn the proper slingshot method. You are never too old or experienced to learn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjLbFOw8sow

[CJB]

Kahr's official position on the matter: Don't slingshot.

Your own experiences will vary.

Its normal to feel a few mechanical things going on during the slide movement, especially if there is an empty magazine in place. With no magazine in place, the slide movement ought to be much smoother. With an unloaded gun, rack the slide, and pull the trigger. Keep the trigger pulled, and rack the slide to reposition the striker. Now keeping the trigger pulled, the slide ought to be very smooth when racked.

[jocko]

I recently purchased my first Kahr handgun. A CM9. I have many handguns and years of experience shooting. I am hoping I found the perfect CCW. Size and weight are great. Kudos to Kahr.

The problem I am noticing is when I chamber a round I rarely can pull slide back and let it go.(sling shoting). The slide stops because the round wont chamber. I have to pull it back and push it forward. It feels like there is a catch when the slide is about half way closed. I can't tell if it is having trouble feeding the first round or what is happening but it does feel like i have to help that first round into the chamber. I have fired over 300 rounds of a variety of different brands of ammo with few minor jams. Gun is always clean and oiled. I am using their 7 round mags.

Has anyone else noticed this? Or is this just the nature of the CM9? Any ideas?

the 6 round flush magazine,and test that out. Some have issues witht he 7 round extended magazine. Use the slide release lever to load that first round andI bet with the 6 round magazine u willbe issue free..

[tcme64]

Video was helpful. I may not be pulling the slide back all the way. Feels like I am. I do not like using the slide release when carrying, can't, I rarely carry with a round in the hole. Thanks for the advice

[jocko]

my friend, not telling u how to do what but not carrying with one in the pipe ,u might as well carry a rock,. thinkin ur gonna hand rack a perfect round in a SHTF scenario is just so so chancy. The gun is ultra safe, u have the best trigger system made. Ur not protected with none in the pipe..If ur pocket carrying it, have it in any holster that covers the treigger guard and ur safe as pie.

The gun ain't gonna go bang unles su pull the trigger. U have already admitted that your maybe not pulling the sldie back far enough, so what makesu think in a shtf scenario that your gonna do it right then. imo big mistake. BUT AGAIN ur call to make.

[Cubby]

Well Jocko, as always you have a way with words. You are "Spot" on in your assessment!!!

[CJB]

my friend, not telling u how to do what but not carrying with one in the pipe ,u might as well carry a rock

Now wait a dadburn minute there Jocko.

Maybe this feller is fixin' to go up against Superman.

As we all have seen on TV, Superman easily takes five or six bullets to the chest with no harm, yet DUCKS when the gun is finally tossed at him. Could be that our brother TCME64 is just trying to save on ammo, and start out by tossin' his gun at Superman, which would be more direct, and probably less likely to piss that ol' caped guy off too. Jus' sayin!

[tcme64]

Jocko... I hear you load and clear. I have many handguns and rifles and more training and experience than most. With all the CCWs I own I can come out of holster and chamber and not miss a beat. Besides the chance of ever having to use my gun is very slim but yes you have to be ready. One thing that bothers me to this day is I have an XD 40. The first round i chambered the gun fired. And no I finger was not on the trigger. Sent gun back to Springfield and it had a defect. Very scary.

[jocko]

u may be dagum right. as u know I voiced my opinion, I lfet the door open for him to choose his style of carry. IfI truly could not trust my karh in my front pocket,I wouldfind a gun thatI could. I would not shortchange it one more roound and then haveto hand rack it. Fokk I knock over coffee cups alot, so do think in a shtf situation that I am gonna do allthat stuff right.

I bet George Zimmerman wishs today he had none in the pipe, Trevor would be alive and more than likely zimmerman after getting the piss beat out of him , might have thought about carrying one in the pipe or not carry at all.. and mabe just stayng home where he belonged and continued to watch Mr. Peepers or that WON'T U BE MY FREND' geek. Mr.rogers. Just sayin

[tcme64]

@CJB. Superman does not exist.
At first I did not like the long trigger pull. But now that I know what it all about, carrying one in the hole makes me feel better. I carry a Kimber 45 and now this CM in my truck. I have young kids around so this is another thing that makes me not want to have them loaded.

[jocko]

ig difference, u did not state the truck thing or kids. error on the side of caution. Do u carry the kimber ready to go???

what next, no superman , Iguess next will be no Mr. Ed either. Life is so short. and TV lies alot.

I guarantee u wonder woman exists. I seen um , I mean her..

[tcme64]

Only on duty. Military. State police. SP special task force. Now ATF special task force team leader. I have been there done that. things i dont discuss. My original question was about the slide issue I was wondering about. Not to listen to wannabes that think they are experts that have only shot at paper

[Ikeo74]

I can slingshot both my Kahrs, a CM9 and an MK9. Just make sure when you chamber the first round you hear the "click/clack" sound the slide makes as you draww it back far enough to chamber the bullet. If you only hear the "CLICK" and not the "CLACK" then you didn't pull the slide back far enough.

[jocko]

Only on duty. Military. State police. SP special task force. Now ATF special task force team leader. I have been there done that. things i dont discuss. My original question was about the slide issue I was wondering about. Not to listen to wannabes that think they are experts that have only shot at paper

I will now excuse myself. I really did not know u had to shoot anyone to be knowledeable about some things. :Amflag2:

[CJB]

when I chamber a round I rarely can pull slide back and let it go

I rarely carry with a round in the hole

I have many handguns and rifles and more training and experience than most

I can come out of holster and chamber and not miss a beat

the chance of ever having to use my gun is very slim but yes you have to be ready

But now that I know what it all about, carrying one in the hole makes me feel better

Only on duty. Military. State police. SP special task force. Now ATF special task force team leader. I have been there done that. things i dont discuss. My original question was about the slide issue I was wondering about. Not to listen to wannabes that think they are experts that have only shot at paper

Your story is all over the place. There's smoke here... thick smoke.

You have all sorts of experience, and professional training, but didn't heed (or perhaps even read) the manufacturer's manual.

Your superior training, and vast experience should tell you that your sidearm needs to be ready. Your vast experience should have been able to guide you to a safe-to-carry pistol. Maybe something like a LadySmith would be more suitable? Or, if you had some experience, you'd have known how safe it is to carry your Kahr with "one in the hole".

But, your crowning statement "Things I don't discuss".... is the clincher. Every BS, wanna be, so-and-so, self styled legend in their own mind ends up with that line.

I'm not buying this crap for a second.

[jocko]

probably rides a honder to.

[tcme64]

Agreed Ikeo. Like I said this my first Kahr. It operates, shoots different than what I am used to. Just have o get used to it and I will.

[tcme64]

Jocko. All I wanted was an answer to a simple question. The Kahr is different from what I own and was trained with. But I think it's a good gun for the money.

[wyntrout]

An important part of chambering a round either way is to hold the pistol firmly. If you "limp-wrist" or hold the pistol loosely, momentum is lost to the pistol, moving it. The slide needs all of the momentum to strip a round out of the magazine and push it fully into the chamber. Kahrs are really close-toleranced and have stout springs, but if you ride the slide at all, or use a weak grip on the pistol, you're likely to get the top round diving and jamming against the right side of the of the feed ramp.

If you've ever tried to hammer a nail into a board you're holding in your other hand, that doesn't work well unless you put the board on the ground or a hard surface... then you can hammer the nail in... if you don't hit your thumb!:D

Don't use the thumb and forefinger "pinch method" rack, Use the weak hand over the top of the slide, thumb along the slide and simultaneously rack vigorously while pushing with the gun hand. Release the slide cleanly as it reaches the end of its travel and is pulled from you hand. With a FIRM grip on the pistol, this should chamber a round every time. You can start with the slide locked back or forward, too, it makes no difference.

With no round in the chamber, you're starting off behind the BG and may have no chance to use two hands. You may be fending a BG off... a knife-wielder... one arm could be injured, but you may never get that pistol loaded... in which case you only have a rock. Chambering a round is one of the most problematic times for users. You have to do it perfectly and the Kahr is not going to fire without a long trigger pull.

Wynn:)

[jocko]

I don't think this wannabee stuff flys well with anyone. to me when someone tries to throw out all those credentials, it is like saying we don't know what we are talking about because we have not supposably walked in ur shoes, or at least not got on here and tried to relay that to members who are trying to help u and who definitely have far more experience with kahrs than you do.

No problem: I have said enough already.:Amflag2:

[tcme64]

Thanks Wynn. The Kahr is tight for sure which means its we'll built. It just needs a little extra pull for now to chamber. It feel like its grinding while pulling it back. Never felt this before. Maybe a few more hundred rounds will shine this up. I have 6 sigs and everyone I can chamber with 2 fingers. As far as carrying empty thats just what I prefer when not working. We r good to for the go. Good point you brought up about 2 hands to chamber. Everyone should know how to chamber with one hand. Use your boot or whatever is available. Had my hand shot and was glad I had training to know how to continue defending

[tcme64]

Jocko u did help. And thank you. It all went down hill because I don't need to and chose not to carry loaded when off work. No big deal.

[zamboni]

Jocko u did help. And thank you. It all went down hill because I don't need to and chose not to carry loaded when off work. No big deal.


Not carrying with a round in the chamber is your choice and everyone accepts that. They are just trying to convince you to do what most all of us feel is correct, and what kahr pistols were designed for...carry with one in the chamber.
Just like if you came on here and said that you voted for obama. That is your right, but you would get quite a few people trying to "help" you and show you the error in your ways.

As for the gun..Just rack the slide with authority and make sure you don't ride it. If that doesn't work now, I'm sure it will after a couple hundred more rounds.:Amflag2:

[KoolBreeze]

I use the no-no method of grasping the back of the slide with my thumb and forefinger and it works every time for me. But I'm a big guy with big strong hands and I rack the slide violently with authority.

I'm sorry but I think CJB nailed it. To me not wanting to carry with one in the chamber screams inexperience, as does boosting otherwise. If you're wanting to keep a loaded handgun away from kids then keep it on your person or locked up. Simple. But anyway, good luck racking a CM9 with your shoe because you'll need it.

[tcme64]

Ha ha.. Did not vote or Obama. Heck can't find anyone who did or at least wont admit it. Next time I go shooting I will get more aggressive while racking. I thought I was. Does anyone else's have like a dry sound? Almost sounds like it is grinding on the way back and it is well oiled.
I own probably 30 handguns and this is the first without a visible safety. Not meaning a manual safety. I read up on this and like Kahrs thinking on this safety. Though the longer pull felt strange at first, I am use to it and shooting nice groups at 25. About 300 rounds of 4 different ammo types and just a couple minor jams which is normal

[Tinman507]

tcme,

It will smooth out and the parts will burnish in and you won't feel that gritty feeling after some more rounds downrange.

Keep shooting it and cleaning and running it wet for a while. You'll know when it's ready.

Welcome to the Forum.

[Ikeo74]

Thanks Wynn. The Kahr is tight for sure which means its we'll built. It just needs a little extra pull for now to chamber. It feel like its grinding while pulling it back. Never felt this before. Maybe a few more hundred rounds will shine this up. I have 6 sigs and everyone I can chamber with 2 fingers. As far as carrying empty thats just what I prefer when not working. We r good to for the go. Good point you brought up about 2 hands to chamber. Everyone should know how to chamber with one hand. Use your boot or whatever is available. Had my hand shot and was glad I had training to know how to continue defending
Here is what I did to my CM9 to smooth the action some. I got the grease gun I use to lube the car and took some grease and applied to the double spring recoil assembly. I made sure the grease got in between the 2 coil springs to cut friction from the springs rubbing togather. It did wonders for the gun and stayed put.

[tcme64]

KoolBreeze you are right and brought up an interesting point. The point is what if you are caught in the situation that you are wounded and can't use both hands? Your gun jams and your a sitting duck. Something I am going to play with because you have to be able to get firing again. My training showed me ways with my boot and sitting and using your knees being together to chamber. Gun upside down if its a jam. God forbid if its a stove pipe. But this was with Berettas and Sigs.
As far as not carrying chambered, I rarely do nor do my cop friends when they are also not on duty. This is what is taught. But dealing with glock or sig mentality. Not Kahr

[tcme64]

Ikeo.... Very interesting. Sounds like a good idea. This may be where the grinding is coming from.

[tcme64]

Thanks Tinman

[jocko]

KoolBreeze you are right and brought up an interesting point. The point is what if you are caught in the situation that you are wounded and can't use both hands? Your gun jams and your a sitting duck. Something I am going to play with because you have to be able to get firing again. My training showed me ways with my boot and sitting and using your knees being together to chamber. Gun upside down if its a jam. God forbid if its a stove pipe. But this was with Berettas and Sigs.
As far as not carrying chambered, I rarely do nor do my cop friends when they are also not on duty. This is what is taught. But dealing with glock or sig mentality. Not Kahr

and owning a glock, yes u can rack it with ur teeth it is so easy. One is gonna play hell thinking he is gona rack that slide on his boot or between his knees with a kahr. I think when u try that u will fully understand what I am saying. It is what it is...It loosen up in to :Amflag2:me but it willnever loosen up what a new glock feels and can be racked..

[tcme64]

Do you really have 32000 through yours? WOW

[KoolBreeze]

The chances of actually needing your sidearm in self defense are extremely low, especially as a civilian. The chances of needing it when you only have 1 hand available are even lower. But when you need it, you need it and if you are going to carry it, you may as well be as best prepared as you can be. You are going to have a really tough time racking the slide on that CM9 one handed. You'd just about need something to hang the ejection port on in order to rack it. Maybe a nail or something, but even then it would be problematic because of the stiff spring and the fact that the gun is real finicky in regards to sling shoting.

At the end of the day, you should carry the way YOU are comfortable with but if you don't want to carry with one in the chamber, then my advice would be to look for a different pistol, especially if you are having issues racking the slide. Prehaps a Sig P938 would be a better choice. I'd be apprehensive about pocket carrying it cocked and locked because there is just something about that I can't get past but I think it would be a much better choice for condition 3 carry than would the CM9.

[jocko]

Do you really have 32000 through yours? WOW

proabalby a couple K more by now..:Amflag2: I quit countin at 32K for no real reason

[tcme64]

Well said KoolBreeze. I have searched high and low for the perfect carry when not working. Prior to this CM it was a glock 27. Just a little heavy. Don't need that or want that cuz when working i have stuff all over me. IE: when i go for dinner with the wife dont need a huge 1911 hanging on me. What really stinks is I have to go and shoot a bunch more through my CM. dang the luck. I love shooting and my ammo is free so off I go. Thanks KoolB

[tcme64]

@Jocko..... Unreal. What have you had to replace on the gun? I have 2 sigs that I have fired 5k through. You have me beat. Kudos dude

[Tinman507]

he has to carry it with the muzzle up or the boolits fall out

[jocko]

replaced recoil springs, one slide lock spring, 1 mag follower that cracked but never let me down untilI took the mag apart and it was cracked. not a major part. I installed the 5# striker spring from the git go and i have not touched it since. OhI magna ported it. It is my 5 year + daily front pocket carry in a desantis nemesis and or uncle mikes #3, with Big dot sights. and I shoot it very poorly

No kudos real need. they are great guns, and I am convinced u cannot shoot out a kahr

[tcme64]

Says a lot about this gun and Kahr Jocko. And for the record. Hope all read this. You can rack one handed. Just did it a bunch of times. Not easy. Gun upside down between the knees is easiest. Using shoes as a clamp, so to speak, works also. Not easy but try it. Please clear gun first.

[jocko]

good for u. I really can't see that scenario, but I guess it is a training excercise...

[tcme64]

Yeh it is. Weekend is over. Have a great week Jocko