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xdjosh1980
02-14-2013, 01:35 PM
I have both the XDS and PM9. I love the XDS - I shoot it well and I am confident with it. I love some things about the PM9 - but I don't shoot it all that well.

I'm sure with some practice, I could get to where I shoot the PM9 well, but I don't know if I would ever be as accurate as I am with the XDS. It IS a bit smaller than the XDS (mainly in slide length...about 1/2 - 1 inch) It IS about 6 oz lighter than the XDS when loaded. It DOES carry 1 extra round with the standard magazine BUT it is a 9mm vs 6 shots of .45 acp.

I'm really torn! I don't find a ton of situations where I couldn't carry the XDS..however sometimes that little bit of weight difference in the PM9 is nice (i.e. in a sticky holster, IWB, gym shorts on quick trip to Wally World, etc.)

What are your thoughts? I have other .45's and the PM9 is my only 9mm.....although I do like the price of 9mm ammo much better.

My PM9 came to me used, but has been very reliable. I'm not a huge fan of the Kahr trigger, but I don't think it's bad either (although I am sure it is largely the culprit of my poor shooting of the PM9)

I have a buyer for my PM9 with 2 extra mags for $600....am I crazy to take it and move to only the XDS as my primary? I would hate to regret selling, however if I were to keep it I would want night sights installed........

HELP ME!

Signed...torn about 2 great guns (What a terrible thing) :rolleyes:

Bawanna
02-14-2013, 02:05 PM
If you can put the money to good use or need the money I'd sell.

Your confident in the XDS, shoot it better although as you say with practice you'd get better with the PM9. Usually people are very happy with the accuracy.

It's still relatively easy to replace if remorse does set in and it undoubtedly will. I've regretted parting with everyone I parted with and it hasn't been that many.

Of course right now with the politicians messing with stuff, the more guns the merrier no matter what flavor or caliber. I've contemplated selling a couple to do something else but right now I think I'll hoard em and wait and see.

Rubb
02-14-2013, 02:28 PM
Signed...torn about 2 great guns (What a terrible thing) :rolleyes:

^^ Answered yur own question perhaps?
I may be a bit biased tough..as I believe there’s no better for CC than a PM9 :)

The PM9 would be a great BUG.
Will you ever have plans to carry 2?
Do you have another(you’ll actually carry)to fill in as a primary if the XD has an issue?
It sux to sell and later wish you didn’t because of one of the above reasons.

xdjosh1980
02-14-2013, 02:38 PM
If you can put the money to good use or need the money I'd sell.

Your confident in the XDS, shoot it better although as you say with practice you'd get better with the PM9. Usually people are very happy with the accuracy.

It's still relatively easy to replace if remorse does set in and it undoubtedly will. I've regretted parting with everyone I parted with and it hasn't been that many.

Of course right now with the politicians messing with stuff, the more guns the merrier no matter what flavor or caliber. I've contemplated selling a couple to do something else but right now I think I'll hoard em and wait and see.

Definately hoarding all my evil black rifles....but the nancy's in Washington won't ever touch guns of this size and capacity. It'll be a cold day in hell before any of them take ANY guns from us in TX....least of all handguns for personal carry.

"Come and take them....."

xdjosh1980
02-14-2013, 02:43 PM
^^ Answered yur own question perhaps?
I may be a bit biased tough..as I believe there’s no better for CC than a PM9 :)

The PM9 would be a great BUG.
Will you ever have plans to carry 2?
Do you have another(you’ll actually carry)to fill in as a primary if the XD has an issue?
It sux to sell and later wish you didn’t because of one of the above reasons.


I know...I really regret selling my j frame smith 642 cause there are definately times that it worked out better for pocket carry.

I will VERY RARELY carry two, and if I did, it would mean the XDS took the BUG role and one of my big boys (XDm .45 or the like) would be primary......but those times are pretty rare.

I'm a father of 3 young ones so our lives are fairly boring (diapers, bottles, naps)....that being said, we are well protected.

chrish
02-14-2013, 02:50 PM
I agree w/ Bawanna. If you are that comfortable w/ the XDS, and it sounds like there are things about the Kahr you are not all that crazy about (independent of how you feel you shoot it), then sell it and put the $ toward another XDS, or another XD-whatever that is similar enough for your liking.

I never got good w/ my PM9 either and unloaded it for a P9. I shoot the P9 just fine, it was ALL about the grip for me. I never spent enough time w/ the PM and a two fingered grip to be happy w/ it. I new right off the bat it was going to take too much time and too much ammo for me to get proficient w/ something that small and only a 2 finger grip. Great gun, still 'in the family', but I didn't want to keep shooting it. Life is too short and ammo too expensive to keep 'trying' to get somewhere when you already have a solution in place that works. Just get good w/ the XDS and move on.

AIRret
02-14-2013, 03:06 PM
I have a pm9 and a XDs and I love both and I'm keeping both.


Also as a woman the grip on the pm9 presents no problem. It fits my hand great, so for me that is also a factor.

ps. There is a 7 round extended mag. for the XDs and if you are like me you carry the extended mag. as your extra.

xdjosh1980
02-14-2013, 04:23 PM
Thanks for all the great replies so far!

I just got back from a range session...9mm ammo is so scarce around here I only put 2 mags thru the PM9 just to reassure myself. Didn't seem to help..ha! Don't get me wrong, when I really think about it and take my time I can keep the groups at 7-10 yds withing about 4-5 inches. But that is taking my time, slow trigger pull, etc etc. Heaven forbid I have to make an accuracy shot at some point, and under stress...foget about it...at least where I am at now.

On the other hand, give me my xds and I will rapid fire at 7-10 yds into 2-3 in groups. Slow controlled shooting gives me one ragged hole about 2 in across.

Accuracy: XDs
Size: PM9
Weight: PM9
Trigger: XDs
Caliber: XDs (sorry 9mm fans...45 wins in my book)
Capacity: I give it a tie --- 1 extra 9mm round isn't enough to take this one


See my delimna!

I have a buyer, ready to meet - $600 cash for my PM9 plus 2 extra mags. That is more than I paid for it all........



BUT...and here is the problem....there ARE times it is easier to carry the PM9....6 oz and 1" in length may not sound like a lot. But when carrying under a t-shirt, in gym shorts (in a sticky holster) it does make a difference. My XDS is my go to on any other IWB carry form I use......it's just those quick trips up to The Evil Empire (also known as Walmart) that gets me.


I know I'm rambling so I'll stop ...can you tell I'm not an awesome decision maker. I love guns, but finances don't dictate that I can have all I want. I wish they still did.

Salty
02-14-2013, 04:54 PM
If I understand your situation correctly you have a somewhat apple vs orange comparison here. We should be looking at a subcompact XD 9 mm vs PM9 to be fair. XDSub 9 mm carries 13 rounds and is lighter than the 45 with a 3 inch barrel. In addition the grip angle between the Kahr and the XD is different as the XD is designed to replicate the 1911 grip angle. This makes going back and forth between them a different experience. I would try an XD Subcompact in 9 mm and see if you don't like it. I don't wear gym shorts and carry - I wear cargo shorts with a belt to support an iwb holster for the occasional trip to wally or take the Beretta .25 in a pocket holster.

xdjosh1980
02-14-2013, 05:01 PM
If I understand your situation correctly you have a somewhat apple vs orange comparison here. We should be looking at a subcompact XD 9 mm vs PM9 to be fair. XDSub 9 mm carries 13 rounds and is lighter than the 45 with a 3 inch barrel. In addition the grip angle between the Kahr and the XD is different as the XD is designed to replicate the 1911 grip angle. This makes going back and forth between them a different experience. I would try an XD Subcompact in 9 mm and see if you don't like it. I don't wear gym shorts and carry - I wear cargo shorts with a belt to support an iwb holster for the occasional trip to wally or take the Beretta .25 in a pocket holster.

I was thinking more along the lines of XDS 9mm vs PM9....just because we don't have one in hand, we do have the .45 version which is same dimensions and weight loaded should be very close.

XD Subs are great....except for width and weight...which is the whole point of the XDS line.

XD subs compare more the Glock 26/27, etc.


XDS compares to Shield, PM9, etc. Thin, relatively lightweight.....

TheTman
02-14-2013, 05:24 PM
This is a great time to sell a gun, I bet you could get more than $600 for it. I've been looking at Kahr products for sale, and there are very few in stock anywhere I've looked.
I'd take a look at gunbroker and gunsamerica and see what they are going for, unless it's for a friend, and you want to give him a deal. I just looked and saw them going for over 800. I hate to be like that, but you are probably not going to be able to replace it very inexpensively for a few months. I'm toying with the idea of putting up an AK for auction, but I know I'd regret it.

Bawanna
02-14-2013, 06:03 PM
Do let me know if that AK goes on the block. Naw, never mind, you'd be best to keep it, and I'd be best to wait till things return to quasi normal or as best as we can expect with Taliban leadership.

greyhoundafw
02-14-2013, 08:21 PM
XDs 9mm coming out this year. CM9 us about 400$ new. Spend the difference on ammo?

TheTman
02-14-2013, 08:29 PM
I think you are right Bawanna, better just keep it.

xdjosh1980
02-14-2013, 08:38 PM
Have had it listed and a bunch of offers for mid 500s... Only one 600

I paid 425 a few months ago


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xdjosh1980
02-14-2013, 08:39 PM
Noone In tx is stupid enough to pay more than retail for a used kahr....at least I would like to think they aren't





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WMac19
02-14-2013, 11:35 PM
In your situation, if I wasn't completely sold on the PM9 and could make better use of some discretionary spending monies... I'd sell. Heck, you could always revisit the past if remorse were to set in once times turned for the better. Not the end of the world.

As for me, I love my PM9 and can shoot it very accurately. Yet I'm still planning to buy an XDs shortly and have zero plans to get rid of my PM9. But as it relates to finances, although I can't exactly buy as I choose, I can at the moment afford to keep both. Both serve a purpose for me with regard to concealability and caliber, for myself I don't see any conflict between the two.

white cloud
02-15-2013, 12:47 AM
i am almost 60. i have done my share of gun trading/selling and looking back wish i had kept more and sold less. actually kept a lot more. some of those guns are really hard to find these days. i would keep the pm9.

eklipto101
02-15-2013, 01:48 AM
If you like the XDs-45 more and fill more confortrable shooting it, sell the PM9, the XDS9 it's coming out this year, save the money, you made $175.00 profit on the PM the XDs9 it's probably goin to be selling for $525.00, you still made a profit of $75.00, buy you an extra mag and a pizza and boom, everyboby be happy. It's a win win prop

Popeye
02-15-2013, 07:29 AM
I looked at all the latest and greatest flavor of the month single stack 9mm's that have come out over the last few years, and have found non that I like better than my PM9. Having said that though I'm a big fan of XD's even though I do not own one at the moment, but when that XDS9 comes out I'll be giving them a good looking over and I'll take it from there to see if I'll still feel the PM9 is the best choice for me. Time will tell.

otium
02-15-2013, 07:51 AM
I have a cm9 and an xds. If at all possible I would keep both. They both have pluses and minuses for certain carry situations.

If only 9mm or 45 acp ammo is ever available in the supply lines again, you would be covered.

Another thing to consider is these are mechanical devices and can break.

Do you have another backup carry piece already? I mean if the chosen gun had to go back to the mother ship or some such, would you have something else around to use for protection while it's gone?

Don't think I would want to limit myself to just one.

JFootin
02-15-2013, 08:46 AM
The negative for me with the XDs9 is that it is exactly the same size as the XDs45, making it quite a bit larger than the PM/CM9. Still not a large gun, but why didn't they trim it down a bit?

gb6491
02-15-2013, 12:12 PM
The negative for me with the XDs9 is that it is exactly the same size as the XDs45, making it quite a bit larger than the PM/CM9. Still not a large gun, but why didn't they trim it down a bit?
FWIW, the XD-S is very close in size to the CW9.
I'm guessing SA's goal was to make a slim, compact semiautomatic pistol for concealed carry, though not necessarily pocket carry. I think that offering it in one frame size (particularly, the size they chose) and multiple calibers makes some sense. It reduces their outlay for tooling, maximizes parts interchangeability, simplifies accessory inventory (sights, holsters and such), etc.
Regards,
Greg

xdjosh1980
02-15-2013, 07:59 PM
I have a cm9 and an xds. If at all possible I would keep both. They both have pluses and minuses for certain carry situations.

If only 9mm or 45 acp ammo is ever available in the supply lines again, you would be covered.

Another thing to consider is these are mechanical devices and can break.

Do you have another backup carry piece already? I mean if the chosen gun had to go back to the mother ship or some such, would you have something else around to use for protection while it's gone?

Don't think I would want to limit myself to just one.

I would never be down to just one....that's crazy talk





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xdjosh1980
02-15-2013, 08:00 PM
What situations does a pm9 trump over the xds or vice versa?

Capacity doesn't do it because I carry an extra mag.....if I can't end the situation with 11 rounds of .45 I shouldn't be carrying




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JFootin
02-15-2013, 10:11 PM
FWIW, the XD-S is very close in size to the CW9.
I'm guessing SA's goal was to make a slim, compact semiautomatic pistol for concealed carry, though not necessarily pocket carry. I think that offering it in one frame size (particularly, the size they chose) and multiple calibers makes some sense. It reduces their outlay for tooling, maximizes parts interchangeability, simplifies accessory inventory (sights, holsters and such), etc.
Regards,
Greg

Agreed. I was focusing on the thread subject (PM9 and XDs). The XDs45 interests me, but so does the CM45 when it comes out. Would the XDs9 be a viable choice over the CW9? Maybe, but there is a big price difference. Just sayin', it's hard to beat the small dimentions and value of the Kahr C series guns.

gb6491
02-16-2013, 07:15 AM
Agreed. I was focusing on the thread subject (PM9 and XDs). The XDs45 interests me, but so does the CM45 when it comes out. Would the XDs9 be a viable choice over the CW9? Maybe, but there is a big price difference. Just sayin', it's hard to beat the small dimentions and value of the Kahr C series guns.
Oh, ok, I was just opining on your muse as to why the XD-S wasn't scaled down in it's 9mm guise,

I agree it's hard to beat the value of the "C" series Kahr pistols . However, in my area the XD-S is priced between the Kahr "C" and "P" series pistols (closer to the "C"). When you consider the XD-S comes with an additional magazine, back strap, fiber optic rods plus a holster and double magazine pouch, I think it's a viable choice in 9mm (especially if one is looking for a trigger with shorter reset)
BTW, as you mention the CM45 and in comparison to it, the XD-S is more a "Covert" CW45/P45 size pistol.

As to the OP, keep both:D
I'm of the "Two is one and one is none" school of thought when it comes to carrying self defense weapons.
Regards,
Greg

harrydog
02-16-2013, 08:24 AM
I think the accuracy issue is something you could work out. The PM9 itself is an inherently accurate gun for it's size. With enough practice there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to improve considerably. Plus, while it is obviously better to be accurate at a distance, most self defense encounters happen at 7 yards or less. People should practice point shooting since that's what you might end up doing in a life and death encounter. Try practicing at only 3-4 yards and then gradually increase the distance.

I guess it also comes down to whether you want to have a 9mm pistol or not. If you do, I think you should give the PM9 more time. How many rounds have you put through it? Invest in some ammo and after several 50 to 100 round range sessions concentrating on the fundamentals, I think you will see an accuracy improvement to the point where it is acceptable to you.

Bill K
02-16-2013, 08:45 AM
If for SD I would keep the gun that point shoots best. :behindsofa:

JFootin
02-16-2013, 09:21 AM
Oh, ok, I was just opining on your muse as to why the XD-S wasn't scaled down in it's 9mm guise,

I agree it's hard to beat the value of the "C" series Kahr pistols . However, in my area the XD-S is priced between the Kahr "C" and "P" series pistols (closer to the "C"). When you consider the XD-S comes with an additional magazine, back strap, fiber optic rods plus a holster and double magazine pouch, I think it's a viable choice in 9mm (especially if one is looking for a trigger with shorter reset)
BTW, as you mention the CM45 and in comparison to it, the XD-S is more a "Covert" CW45/P45 size pistol.

As to the OP, keep both:D
I'm of the "Two is one and one is none" school of thought when it comes to carrying self defense weapons.
Regards,
Greg

Good points, Greg. My LGS adds 10% profit for himself, so I can probably get an XDs at a good price. Something to consider. I'd go for the 45.