CW9 and BHP

[rkirk]

A warm and windy great day at the John Zink Ranch. Tulsa Red Castle Gun Club. I traded shooting the CW9 and a Charles Daly Hi-Power clone. Both pistols have dot front sights and vertical line back sights. My XD9sc has Heinie straight eight slant pro sights, the service model XD TFO three dot green front yellow back sights. The Browning Hi-Power Mark III has three vertical line sights.

So this is background information. I was certain that the CDHP would out preform the CW9. As I traded back and forth shooting one pistol then the other, I shot both pistols equally well. I have decided that for me the dot front and vertical line back are the best sights for a self defense pistol. I ran the course first with the CW9 and then with the CDHP. My first thought was what a big pistol the Hi-Power is to hold and shoot. I hope John Moses Browning will forgive me because I like the CW9 more to shoot, and carry than the great BHP.

What has happened to me!

-- Richard

[Bawanna]

A warm and windy great day at the John Zink Ranch. Tulsa Red Castle Gun Club. I traded shooting the CW9 and a Charles Daly Hi-Power clone. Both pistols have dot front sights and vertical line back sights. My XD9sc has Heinie straight eight slant pro sights, the service model XD TFO three dot green front yellow back sights. The Browning Hi-Power Mark III has three vertical line sights.

So this is background information. I was certain that the CDHP would out preform the CW9. As I traded back and forth shooting one pistol then the other, I shot both pistols equally well. I have decided that for me the dot front and vertical line back are the best sights for a self defense pistol. I ran the course first with the CW9 and then with the CDHP. My first thought was what a big pistol the Hi-Power is to hold and shoot. I hope John Moses Browning will forgive me because I like the CW9 more to shoot, and carry than the great BHP.

What has happened to me!

-- Richard

I'm sure Mr. Browning is like on a rotisserie in his grave as we speak. I guess you can console yourself in that they are different and you can still love the big monster even if it becomes a safe queen. You just gotta love a Browning, clone or otherwise.

[rkirk]

Bawanna45cal,

Thanks for the reply. Yes I love the HP, I have the real deal and a clone. They both shoot equally. Of course the BHP innovation of loading ramp on the barrel and the two footed cam, have been borrowed by every modern pistol. As one of my shooting buddies said polymer pistols are an improvement. I agree and will further state that the Kahr is a truly innovate step in pistols. I guess Mr. Browning would love the combination of elements from the old and new present in the Kahr. I am always this way when I find a new great pistol.

-- Richard

[Bawanna]

Bawanna45cal,

Thanks for the reply. Yes I love the HP, I have the real deal and a clone. They both shoot equally. Of course the BHP innovation of loading ramp on the barrel and the two footed cam, have been borrowed by every modern pistol. As one of my shooting buddies said polymer pistols are an improvement. I agree and will further state that the Kahr is a truly innovate step in pistols. I guess Mr. Browning would love the combination of elements from the old and new present in the Kahr. I am always this way when I find a new great pistol.

-- Richard

I find myself wondering all the time what John Moses Browning could do with todays technology. Thinking about all the wonderful things he came up with using basic caveman (need a tool, make it first) technology and the speed which he came up with alot of his ideas is mind boggling. I'm sure he'd just be enthralled playing with a modern day milling machine or even a craftsman drill press. Another thing on my bucket list is to visit his workshop, I've heard it's very small and very cluttered but I gotta see it. The nest of a genius without question.

[Pender1]

JMB's view



...that being said i do love my Kahrs. Oh well.

[Bawanna]

JMB's view



...that being said i do love my Kahrs. Oh well.

That's just a sweetheart. Wonder who wrote that caption, I say that all the time. But agree, we have to accept change, we don't have to like it but tupperware is here to stay, locks in the freshness.
I've renewed my vows with my K40, was gonna swap it but after polishing the barrel and hood via another thread here, and shooting so well a couple weeks ago, I think we'll stay together a while longer. There's room for her and a new tupperware kahr in my life.

[rkirk]

By the way I met to add that while cleaning the CW9 Thursday afternoon, I noticed what appeared to be a thread or fiber sticking out of the firing pin opening. Actually it turned out to be a thin piece of wire from a brass cleaning brush. I had used a 9mm brass brush to scrub the face of the slide with Hoppe's #9 where the cartridge base rests. A bristle was some how caught in the pin hole between the firing pin and the hole the pin uses to strike the primer.

How bazaar! I could not dislodge it, then I remembered my Swiss Army knife had tweezers. It worked. Now I worried that something might be in the channel that contains the whole firing pin assembly. So I searched this forum and found the excellent "Detail Strip" document complete with photos and diagrams. After cleaning and assembly I used the test the firing pin technique. I found a plastic Pentel refill eraser tube that fit very well and was launched across the desk. So I guess the firing pin assembly works. I think I need a backup Kahr.

-- Richard

[Bawanna]

By the way I met to add that while cleaning the CW9 Thursday afternoon, I noticed what appeared to be a thread or fiber sticking out of the firing pin opening. Actually it turned out to be a thin piece of wire from a brass cleaning brush. I had used a 9mm brass brush to scrub the face of the slide with Hoppe's #9 where the cartridge base rests. A bristle was some how caught in the pin hole between the firing pin and the hole the pin uses to strike the primer.

How bazaar! I could not dislodge it, then I remembered my Swiss Army knife had tweezers. It worked. Now I worried that something might be in the channel that contains the whole firing pin assembly. So I searched this forum and found the excellent "Detail Strip" document complete with photos and diagrams. After cleaning and assembly I used the test the firing pin technique. I found a plastic Pentel refill eraser tube that fit very well and was launched across the desk. So I guess the firing pin assembly works. I think I need a backup Kahr.

-- Richard

Yup theres some good stuff here for sure. I find it a real confidence builder to be able to strip a gun down and know what makes it tick, and more importantly have it work again as designed afterwards. I agree on the backup Kahr, go ahead and order whatever you want, I of course would lean towards a 45 but our choice. Go ahead and tell your financial advisor "Boss" that we said it was ok!. Good luck with that. Pics when it arrives.

[sharpetop]

I too, took my BHP and CW9 to the range last week. IMHO, the CW9 doesn't come close to the shootability of the BHP. On the other hand, The BHP doesn't come close to the carryability of the CW9. What's that saying about the big gun at home in the safe? That's where the Browning is at!

[jeep45238]

I too, took my BHP and CW9 to the range last week. IMHO, the CW9 doesn't come close to the shootability of the BHP. On the other hand, The BHP doesn't come close to the carryability of the CW9. What's that saying about the big gun at home in the safe? That's where the Browning is at!

Dunno, I put the big gun on my hip :) I'll take a gun that I can run faster any day of the week over a small one that I can't be nearly as fast or accurate with - but that's just me :)


5" barrel all day, every day (though I do switch between steel and polymer) :D

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[rkirk]

Okay, so BHP with three magazines is 39+1 or 40 rounds. CW9 with three magazines is 21+1 or 22 rounds. The difference is wow 18 rounds. That is why I carried my XD service and later my Browning Hi-Power. However the XD at 24 ounces plus ammunition or the BHP at 32 ounces plus ammunition has become more difficult to carry. Age and back problems make light weight, slim pistols a must. Before the Kahr I was reduced to pocket carrying a P32. The big heavy pistol like the BHP is in my opinion the best fighting pistol ever. It just does not work in the safe as well as the CW9 on my person.

By the way the CW9 weights 20+ ounces with 7+1. A spare magazine loaded with 7 rounds is 5 ounces! The CW9 is a compromise, but a great slim, compact, reliable and accurate pistol. Wrap it up I'll take it!

-- Richard

[In-Yo-Grill]

Wow...It's funny you put up this thread. I've been wanting to get my BHP out of the safe to see how it performs against my Kahr P9. I would suspect I should be able to shoot the BHP better because it's a lighter trigger but now I'm wondering what the results will be.

I'll get them out this weekend and let ya'll know.

[Bawanna]

Well a big gun in the safe can still be loved and taken out and fondled regularly and taken to the range frequently. I have pics of alot of mine in my computer at work so I don't miss them so bad while I'm away.
If any of you find that you don't love your guns in the safe, (especially Hi Powers or 1911's, but most anything that goes bang qualifies) there's always room in Bawanna's safe where they will be loved like they were my own. I'll feed em, and clean up after em and keep them warm and very happy. I do this as a public service, I ask for no recognition, thanks or awards.

[rkirk]

Thanks guys for the responses. Let me say that for me the Browning Hi-Power pistol is my favorite all steel pistol. I like it better than the 1911 Colt I gave to my son. Mr. Browning is the Man! I have shot several of his other fabulous arms. I do rotate them in and out of the safe to give them and me range time it is always great!

That being said, my experience in trading between the CW9 and the BHP was they both shot the IDPA stages equally well. The double action CW9 shot several seconds slower than the single action Browning. So my surprise was two things the BHP felt so big and the Kahr shot as well as the BHP. Last I realized I liked shooting the CW9 better! I did not think that was possible! I prefer the CW9 over all my other pistols.

-- Richard

[In-Yo-Grill]

Thanks guys for the responses. Let me say that for me the Browning Hi-Power pistol is my favorite all steel pistol. I like it better than the 1911 Colt I gave to my son. Mr. Browning is the Man! I have shot several of his other fabulous arms. I do rotate them in and out of the safe to give them and me range time it is always great!

That being said, my experience in trading between the CW9 and the BHP was they both shot the IDPA stages equally well. The double action CW9 shot several seconds slower than the single action Browning. So my surprise was two things the BHP felt so big and the Kahr shot as well as the BHP. Last I realized I liked shooting the CW9 better! I did not think that was possible! I prefer the CW9 over all my other pistols.

-- Richard

Well don't feel too bad. After being introduced to the Kahr line up I've neglected ever other pistol in my safe revolvers and pistols alike. I can only imagine if I reloaded my own ammo.