OH $#!^ - new CM9 barrel?

[chickenman]

Rapid fired a second round into a squib -cleard the stuck round out but it bulged the barrel on my CM9. I got the barrel out with a little careful work. Cant see anything else that seems out of order- but the barrel is toast - definetly have to replace it. Any other boneheads out the done this before? What bites is this gun is only a week old and I was really liking the prospect of carrying it.
I know I can order a new barrel from Kahr - but what about beltsanding the bulged one down to allow it to go back in the slide and make sure everything still manually slides along nicely?

[Longitude Zero]

NO...NO...NO...NO...

Using it after it has been damaged is asking for a disaster. Even if you have no intent of using it the chances of an ooops is too high.

[chickenman]

What do you mean - replace the entire gun?
I wasnt going to fire the damaged barrel, just use it to verify everything is in place as it seems to be upon visual inspection...

[CJB]

Chickenman, you should have stuck to the Geshtunkana Ray Gun.

I'm gonna just nail the point home, that you are a moron, who should not be around any sort of autoloading firearm.

It goes without saying:

Whenever the gun should have gone bang, and it doesn't quite seem right, and you pull an empty case from the chamber - check the damn barrel!!!!

How many frikkin times have I told this to folks that make Joe Biden look like Einstein? Do they ever listen? Case in point.

[CJB]

NO...NO...NO...NO...

Using it after it has been damaged is asking for a disaster. Even if you have no intent of using it the chances of an ooops is too high.

Don't know your authority on such matters, but all he did was egg his barrel... in true moronic Biden-esque form.

Replacing the barrel is all he needs to do.

[chickenman]

Easy there bub... Calling a fella a moron gets some folks a poke in the eye in some parts of the world.
The gun did go bang, it cycled on its own, I was rapid firing, it fired after the apparent squib round and then FTE which is when I of course then stopped to see what was wrong. I was wearing heating protection, did not realize or catch the squib fire before I pulled the trigger again.
I have read at least a half dozen other tellings of similar instances other places, but since this is my first poly-frame pistol, I thought Id seek some advice.....apparently Im in the company of asses...

[Bawanna]

No you are not in the company of asses. CJB apparently is off his meds today.

What he said was true but as you said you were rapid firing so it's easy to pull the trigger before you even realize the last one was funny.

Everything should be ok, you do need a new barrel.. If you file the barrel down to fit to test operation without firing your ok. Probably don't need to waste a lot of time doing that.

I'd email or call Kahr and tell them honestly what you did. They might even send you one warranty. They send me a barrel once to replace one that had been in the ocean for a couple months. I told them so and they still send one free. Times change, they may not do so now and I wouldn't blame them, it's not their fault but worth a try.

[chickenman]

Thank you sir! I will inquire as suggested.
Look forward to better stories to tell in the future - I was really liking this little gun!

[Bawanna]

It's still worth plenty of love, you'll just love it more with a new barrel.

[CJB]

No you are not in the company of asses. CJB apparently is off his meds today.

What he said was true but as you said you were rapid firing so it's easy to pull the trigger before you even realize the last one was funny.

I should be on meds... but... consider also, that I've stood behind too many folks who did the same thing even as I told them, clearly... DO NOT FIRE... as I coached them. Too many....

A point of order Bawanna - its not easy to do when you're rapid firing. In fact, its pretty darn hard to do while rapid firing, because the pistol will not rapid fire whatsoever, when a sqib happens. The pistol will fail to cycle. The shooter will pull the trigger, after sensing something weird. There will be no additional bang resulting from the trigger pull. The shooter will at first think he's out of ammo, and somehow the slide has closed. Or they'll think they're just having a malfunction. They retract the slide, see the empty and forget to think about why there was weird, no bang, and an empty.... hmmm. Then they'll just chamber up a fresh gobang and proceed to blow up the barrel.

So you see, the pistol tried, as much as it could try....to tell the shooter, "hey doofus, check my barrel, PLEASE!!!", but the shooter just thought he knew better.

Chickenman, don't take it personal. I'm using you as an example to all the folks out there who would do just as you did. I'm sure you feel terrible, eggin' the barrel on your new baby. Assuming the barrel didn't split and shoot gas into the polymer, you'll be fine with a new barrel. I'd just call Kahr and order one... should drop in with minimal fuss.

So, you got a new gun, and you're shootin' some reloads in it to break it in. Your loads, or a friends, or a ranges?

[CJB]

The gun did go bang, it cycled on its own

No, it made a noise, not the normal bang - as there was no muzzle blast, due to the bullet never leaving the barrel. The recoil also felt funny. The pistol did not cycle on its own. If there was a squib, then there was insufficient recoil to cycle the action. If there was sufficient recoil you would not have had to clear the stuck round out, but... you had to clear the round out. Therefore, you are mistaken.

This one's your fault for not checkin when it was beggin to be checked.

[chickenman]

Blazer "Brass" 115 FMJ
And, yea, I shoulda caught it, probably should not have been trying to cycle it quickly as it is a new gun....but it was fun to shoot and it cycled flawlessly, even after the partial fire or squib or whatever you want to call it.

[Bawanna]

I don't 100% agree on the rapid fire thing, a weak primer or no powder that could cause a squib could still recoil a bit, still bang a bit and when people are playing gangsta and really ripping on the trigger your reflex might not be fast enough.

I never really saw the fun in the gangsta let em rip scenario and used to not even load for auto's just for that reason.

Even though I don't 100% agree with you I still love you completely and unconditionally.



Just not in any mano mano way ya understand. You might want to check with Scoundrel though, he's looking lovely this evening.

[chickenman]

And no, I never blamed the gun....

[Bawanna]

I'd blame it on Bush. He screwed everything up.

[Longitude Zero]

I was unclear. 30 year old scotch has that effect. Only replace the barrel. Shooting anything thru a bulged barrel is fraught with danger and an area where the intelligent angels fear to trod.

I called a friend who is a gunsmith at one of the LGS's and he choked on his drink at the dangerous thought of attempting to file the bulge down. He said unless you are an experienced gunsmith it is a less than a smart idea.

[yqtszhj]

I thought CJB had been into the 30 year old scotch. I think the last 2 threads I read had his out of character post recently.

I think we need to chip in for him a harley vacation with a bikini clad babe on the back to get him back to his normal mellow self.

[OldLincoln]

I had one squib early on in my reloading and it was very noticeable in sound and no slide action. However, if I were shooting doubles or triples and somehow it did cycle I might have ignored the warning feeling. It's like your mind is made up to shoot twice which is a very bad thing.

Each shot must stand on it's own even if quickly behind another. Consider a target running sideways to you that stumbles with the first shot exposing an innocent 15 yards further that's running the opposite direction. If your mind is made up to double tap, the changing target profile could confuse you and you shoot anyway. The upper chest level shot goes over your target striking the innocent.

Range practice is necessary but it's easy to learn bad habits as well as good. I advise not to practice double taps.

[CJB]

I'll say it again - if the bullet did not leave the barrel, there is no muzzle blast, and there is insufficient recoil to cycle the action - on RECOIL operated mechanisms.

On GAS operation there is a possibility, depending on the mechanism, and/or the powder used, that the action will cycle. This is because most gas mechanisms are made to use very little gas and have a cut off to stem the flow of excess gas into the actuating mechanism, or a bleed off to dump excess gas from the actuating mechanism. I suppose some blowback guns could also fall into that category.

And, of course, on revolvers, lever guns, pump guns, and bolt actions, we must keep our wits about us, because its entirely possible to squib and fire the next shot into the stuck one when your finger or hand cycles the action.

Hey Bawanna I love ya too!!! Happy belated Valentines Day !~~:p

Here's what B'man... consider it again, put this way. The Kahr has a real strong set of springs. We see soft loads that some shooters limp wrist, and those wont cycle the action - yet they leave the barrel. Imagine loads even a little softer... no cycling even from a rock solid shooter - but they still leave the barrel. Softer yet... still leave the barrel, and things barely move. Softer yet, and you're getting into squib territory, hit and miss leaving the barrel, barely moving the parts. Then finally, full squib. The slide may move a little, but thats all. Without the force to move that bullet even three inches forward down the tube... not much is gonna happen.

Chickenman - I'd love to see that egg'd barrel. If ya can... post it!

[MW surveyor]

Since you reported that this was with new ammo. I'd get in touch with CCI regarding the squib load.

[kerby9mm]

All this time and no real apology to Chickenman. The real moron is a rude one too. One might think different level of tolerance for certain members.

[jocko]

he is very lucky that no damage was done to the rest of the gun. Buy a new barrel and just shoot itlike u stole it...

[Tilos]

This forum has a feature like no other and it's my favorite.
Your own ignore list:D, the posts of members on it, disappear:bump2:

[jocko]

am I on it???Just sayin

[jocko]

I'd blame it on Bush. He screwed everything up.

it is his fault u know, just ask stone-face Pelosie or fat ass
Feinstein:Amflag2: for once colonel ur right..

I thought about u todaya bawanna. I was in church and I had to fart and I thought, "what would the colonel do in this situation"? So I just ripped it off. Just sayin:D:D:D

[Tilos]

am I on it???Just sayin

How would I see this if you were:D.
You know, I went a looked, and most of the asshats on my list are no longer posting here, some have been banned and the others must have moved on to annoy another brand/forum.
I can tell the ones left on my list are still irritating others, even though I don't read the posts unless someone "quotes" a post.

[Longitude Zero]

This forum has a feature like no other and it's my favorite.
Your own ignore list:D, the posts of members on it, disappear:bump2:

Precisely! For me I have no use for the "ignore" feature.

[KoolBreeze]

I'm guessing CJB's BS meter is in full alert on this one. In all of my years of shooting I've never had a squib. I guess I've been fortunate. But as stout as the recoil springs are on a CM9, especially a brand new one, it's hard to believe it cycled normally on a squib.

[Bawanna]

That's part of why I look stoopid on this one. I went on what the OP said, it cycled normally ejected and fed.

A Squib should not do that, should have ended up with an empty case in the chamber or only part way out.

I may have lost something in translation but it doesn't add up.

[Longitude Zero]

The only squib/bullet lodged in the barrel I hae ever seen, occurred with reloads. I have NEVER seen it occur with factory loaded ammunition. It appeared it was a load that only had a fraction of the required powder in the case. It was with a revolver.

[jocko]

It must have been 40 years ago but I sold a custmer a K22 masterpeace and he and his buddy went out to a pond to shoot it, and he threw a can in the water and proceeded to shoot 6 times and noticed nothing was hitting the water but it never dawned on him what was going on. He broought the gun back into my shop and told me this story, I found it hard to believe but my local smitty pulled 6 22 bullets out of the barrel. Not one bit of harm was done to the barrel. no buldge or nutti. Once out of thebarre. the gun was then perfect. Hard to believe but that is the truth, sohelp me Bawanna. So I guess anything can happen. IMO it takes a hell of a squb to lodge i the barrel and yet eject out of kahr which is known for stout recoil springs andyet feed anutter good round perfect, but I guess it could have happened that way, although as harsh as CJB might have been, I think I gotta side with CJB..

[MW surveyor]

Believe it or not...........

Just got back from the range. Guy next to me shooting reloads asks if I have a rod in my bag (of course I do and a 4 oz. ball peen hammer). He had a squib that did eject the case (he was shooting a Sig) with the bullet just enough in the barrel to almost fully chamber the next round. Slide stopped just about 1/32" of an inch from full lock up. If there was just a little bit more powder, I'll bet the round would have fully chambered.

I sure am glad it didn't.:eek:

Yes, got the bullet out and he went back to shooting. Just a little bit slower than before.

[Scoundrel]

Wow.

When I saw that reply from CJB, I thought he'd left his computer logged in and his evil cousin had replied instead.

We don't have any background information on the OP. We don't know what his level of skill/training is. Maybe he is just getting into guns and doesn't have a lot of experience. This sort of response is what I would expect over on GlockSmackTalk.com, not here.

I have done a lot of training in the last couple years, many thousands of rounds down the tube with many different guns, but I have not yet once had a squib. I know what they are, I know why they happen, and I know in theory what they probably sound and feel like because it's been described a lot in forums. But I expect that a squib could sound and feel very different depending on many factors - type of gun, how much powder was really in there, etc.

Having never experienced it, I cannot say with confidence that I could detect one and stop when doing a rapid fire set - even if it was a set of two.

So I feel kind of bad for the reception this guy got, and I respect him for admitting his mistake in a den of wolves, and not shooting off a pissed off reply when confronted with a lack of civility.

I've also noticed a tendency on this forum recently to "call bullshit" on something when it doesn't match up with what people think they know about guns. I don't know everything, and I think that it's a lot nicer to give someone the benefit of the doubt when something seems weird, until something comes up that proves that the person was lying.

I will admit that the very idea of continuing to use a barrel that has been compromised by squib seems like a ridiculous thing to even consider, but he did not explicitly state in the first post that he intended to SHOOT it again. He did clarify after a couple of posts that it would just be an aid to diagnostics for the rest of the gun.

So anyway, chickenman, I apologize to you on behalf of the folks on this forum who aren't as mellow and friendly as maybe they could be.

Welcome to the forum, and let's see some pictures, if you have any, so we can all laugh and make fun of you good naturedly, with smileys and everything.

[OldLincoln]

It would be cool if folks could get to shoot a squib as part of their training.

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[memtb]

Scoundrel, A thumbs-up sir on your post!! I was about to attempt to say something similar, however I believe you stated it more eloquently!! memtb

[jocko]

not sure I want anyone apologizing for anything I might say. I am a big boy and if I feel I did wrong I will apologize, You may criticise me, that is ur right... Everyone has their own way of saying things. let them apologize for their mistakes. Just sayin

[Scoundrel]

I hereby and officially exclude Jocko, and anyone else who wishes to be irascible, ornery, and otherwise unpleasant from my blanket apology.

:32:

[pineappleshooter]

Only squib I ever had was shooting rapid fire with a double action 22 revolver. I thought I heard a ffft instead of a bang but I pulled the trigger before I could stop myself. Two 22's lodged in the barrell - no bulge! Got lucky - It was just and old Arminius revolver but it is the first gun I ever shot when I was a kid - belonged to my Great Grandfather. I shoot way slower now and make sure I hear a bang every time.

[jocko]

I hereby and officially exclude Jocko, and anyone else who wishes to be irascible, ornery, and otherwise unpleasant from my blanket apology.

:32:

than you:amflag:

[hardluk1]

This tread has me wondering if I would "pickup" a squib quickly enought to stop that run away trigger finger from mess'n up a firearm or me. I tend to go thru new gun break in looking to only get rounds down range for the first 100 rounds with little reguard to accuracy. Some times seeing how quickly a mag can be emptied!! I have been lucky not haveing any squibs in 40 plus year. Not sure how many new pistols I will be buy'n in the future but this does make me want to slow down that trigger finger in the future to just a few double taps.

[jocko]

If its ur time to get a squib, it is just ur time. Have no stats on how often a squib occurs but my bet it is one n millions of rounds or more,so IMO just continue on the wayur doin and enjoy what ur doin and not to worry about sumpin that u can't control

[MW surveyor]

Your odds of getting a squib round are greatly increased if you reload and don't pay attention!

[chickenman]

I reckon it's about time to respond to my own thread....

Thank you to the folks that chose to show propriety and thanks even to those that chose cautious but curteous doubt. I appreciate both.

I'm sorry I can't put up photos because I sanded down the barrel last night without thinking about photos. I was in the shop working on a holster and wanted to fit the cm9 but had to get it back together before I could so....

I will say that I had to belt grind down about 3 housandths of a bulge, not much really. The gun will manually cycle fine now. I dry fired it and hand cycled it and it seemed to run fine. I did notice that the slide seemed a tad looser on the rails than I thought I remembered it before but that could also just be that this was the first time I focused attention to that aspect. I would say that the slide will move up and down at the barrel end maybe a few hundredths. The closer I looked at this, I saw that the rails are very thin pieces of steel and the rail slots are about twice as thick. Didn't put a caliper or mic on them but I'm thinking this movement is not out of spec, I just didn't pay attention to it before. I has a little side to side slop as well but again, I think that is likely normal. Any feedback to these attribute from other cm9 owners is appreciated. I was preparing to send it back to Kahr so they could inspect it. I was too busy to call them yesterday but plan to today.
I'm not going to ask them for a free warranty barrel, but if they volunteer one, that will be over-the-top customer service and would solidify my love of this little gun and add to it the deep respect for an American gun company.:Amflag2: Up to this point, I have only had that level of loyalty and respect for Sturm-Ruger, but perhaps Kahr deserves the same. I went to the shop looking to purchase an LC9 but they didn't have one and I got this instead. I liked the feel of it. Much better trigger, felt better in the hand over the LC9 as well...and it was available:). I do wish it came with a pinky rail on the mag, but I hear those are available after-market and work well. I would put one on my secondary mag for "plinking" purposes.

[yqtszhj]

Your odds of getting a squib round are greatly increased if you reload and don't pay attention!

Or if you buy indonesian .380 import ammo from Cabelas because you can't find ammo anywhere else. Beendare diddat. :eek:

[Scoundrel]

I would say that the slide will move up and down at the barrel end maybe a few hundredths.
It has a little side to side slop as well but again, I think that is likely normal.


My CM9 (about 3500 rounds) has a bit of up/down movement and sideways movement at the barrel end.
It will move more to the right than it will to the left.
It's difficult to get a caliper lined up in there, but I'd say it looks like it moves maybe .02".

After a squib and a bulged barrel, I'd definitely send it in for Kahr's opinion though.

I'm surprised the plate on the right side of the grip didn't blow out. I'm told that can happen in over-pressure situations. Freaks people out something fierce when that happens.

[hardluk1]

chickenman Glad it looks like only a barrel is damaged. If in stock should be back running hard in just a couple days. You know you will probably end up wih a couple more kahrs before this is all over!!

[jocko]

My CM9 (about 3500 rounds) has a bit of up/down movement and sideways movement at the barrel end.
It will move more to the right than it will to the left.
It's difficult to get a caliper lined up in there, but I'd say it looks like it moves maybe .02".

After a squib and a bulged barrel, I'd definitely send it in for Kahr's opinion though.

I'm surprised the plate on the right side of the grip didn't blow out. I'm told that can happen in over-pressure situations. Freaks people out something fierce when that happens.

doubt, he was lucky., If the barrel didn't split, then again he was lucky. Not sure what kind of round it was but had it been a +P round, it might have been a different ending..:Amflag2:

[Longitude Zero]

Every squib load or barrel blowup I hae seen/read about/been told about is always reloads which is the direct negligence of the reloader who made the round. I have never seen/heard/read about a squib or barrel popper with factory ammo. Nuff said.

[chickenman]

I called Kahr and spoke to some CS guy. Told him exactly what happend, and told him all I really needed was a barrel. He didn't want to discuss it and said I needed to send it in anyway to let them check it out. I couldn't disagree with the idea so I did. They just called me this morning and said, "You need a new barrel - that'll be $225" A barrel cost $144- which I was perfectly willing to pay. So it cost an extra $100 because I followed their recommendation for them to check it out. Kinda pisses me off but then again, what do you do? The failure was not the guns fault.
So I called him back and said "since Im paying all this extra jack, I want you to address that little polycarbonite tit sticking out of the back of the grip where it interlocks with the slide" He said he'd take care of it.
$225 is half what the gun cost originally. Live and learn..... I will say I am glad it was not an inferior made weopon or the hospital bill might have been much higer. Im also know insurance companies have a very finite value placed on fingers and hands and eyes....etc. -certainly not as much as they are worth to me I'm sure. So for that, I am thankful.

As far as CS is concerned though - looks like Ruger still has my #1 vote.

[aray]

Wow that stinks. I can see charging you for the barrel but unless they disclosed the "let us look at it" part was on the dime, I'd be upset. That seems worth appealing up the Kahr management chain.

[jocko]

I am gonna guess maybe some of thatadditional cost could be return postage... Just sayin

This was a violet explosion, so we don't know what else theymight or not look at either.Ifeel sure they will do some test firing. Not sure kahr would have aksed for it back jsut to ake a few extra bucks either. They probably have enough to take care of. Not defending them, as I guess he could have insisted also to just sell me the fokking barrel . I think he did the right thing. The barreltook the brunt of the mishap but we also just aren't totally sure of what esle ....

[chickenman]

$65 labor, $25 S&H (cost me only $15 to get it to them) Add it all up - $105 above the cost of the barrel at $145 - that's actually $250, not 225 as I stated before....

They are under no obligation to do free labor for something that was not their products fault. I understand that. And Jeff did say they would test fire it.

I also know when a customer purchases a custom made knife from me, I will fix most minor and some major issues, that they most often cause, free of charge. Just the other day I re-sharpened two of my knives a guy purchased 2 years ago and while I had them, I re-polished the blades that he had let corode as well as re-oiled the sheaths that he had let get dry - AND sharpened them - fixing a chip in the end of one of the blades where he used it to turn a screw. Took about an hour. All free of charge. He offered to pay - that was enough. I do that because I know he will speak highly of my knives and might purchase another one or two.

When Jeff called at 0800, he said he had just got it, and would be sending it back today. So I'm sure it took him all of 15 minutes to acertain and repair the gun - really, how long does it take to put a barrel in? That's fine. I knew I should've handled it myself but, like I said, live and learn. I will certainly be more deliberate in my shooting henceforth. And there is some value to the peace of mind that the manufacturer has checked it out to A-OK - whatever that is worth. Apparently it's worth at least $105. ....and this little pain in my back pocket....better than a pain elsewhere I'm sure.

[CJB]

Believe it or not...........

Just got back from the range. Guy next to me shooting reloads asks if I have a rod in my bag (of course I do and a 4 oz. ball peen hammer). He had a squib that did eject the case (he was shooting a Sig) with the bullet just enough in the barrel to almost fully chamber the next round. Slide stopped just about 1/32" of an inch from full lock up. If there was just a little bit more powder, I'll bet the round would have fully chambered.

I sure am glad it didn't.:eek:

Yes, got the bullet out and he went back to shooting. Just a little bit slower than before.

I believe you believe it, as it was told to you. I don't believe the facts of the matter are correct, based on physics even Mr. Scott would have to adhere to.

The bullet moving forward about a bullet's length... usually caused by primer only, no powder. If that bullet moved 1/2 inch or so, there was no recoil to speak of, and no energy therefore to cycle the action.

[scosgt]

I had a squib in my Glock 30. It was a Remington factory round 185 JHP from the Rem value pack.
When I fired, there was smoke and a lack of recoil. The empty did not eject. I cleared the gun and there was no round in the barrel. But it was clearly a squib. Best guess is no powder in the round and the primer had enough juice to blow the bullet out of the barrel.

Remington sent me a check for $10 for my trouble.

So yes, a squib round CAN happen in factory ammo.

More common was misfires at my Department range in training. Glock 19 and 26, different brands of ammo. Blazer lead free was preferred (by them not me). We did have relatively common misfires, and once a hangfire that discharged as an instructor clearing the gun, resulting in some very minor hand injury.

We did train with random dummy rounds to simulate jams, and of course that tended to mask the misfires and make hangfires dangerous - since you were expecting to clear a jam it was always a bit of an oops when a live round popped out instead of the dummy.

[CJB]

I had a squib in my Glock 30. It was a Remington factory round 185 JHP from the Rem value pack.
When I fired, there was smoke and a lack of recoil. The empty did not eject. I cleared the gun and there was no round in the barrel. But it was clearly a squib. Best guess is no powder in the round and the primer had enough juice to blow the bullet out of the barrel.

Couple of comments -
First, ty for the affirmation that a bullet can leave the barrel, and not cycle the action, but the reverse is never true. You cannot cycle the action and have a bullet left in the barrel.

Second, probably not primer only. In all my days of loading commercially,
"primer only" would usually knock the bullet just out of the case and into the rifling on auto loaders. On revolvers, the bullets usually got stuck in the forcing cone. You probably had just enough powder to force the bullet out.

On another note - we actually did some testing to see how slow we could get our 45LC's and 44Sp's. We got 'em moving so slow, you could SEE the bullet travel downrange, indoors, in a 50 foot range... and it took powder. Primer only... as I already said... stuck in the forcing cone on revolvers.

[scosgt]

Couple of comments -
First, ty for the affirmation that a bullet can leave the barrel, and not cycle the action, but the reverse is never true. You cannot cycle the action and have a bullet left in the barrel.

Second, probably not primer only. In all my days of loading commercially,
"primer only" would usually knock the bullet just out of the case and into the rifling on auto loaders. On revolvers, the bullets usually got stuck in the forcing cone. You probably had just enough powder to force the bullet out.

On another note - we actually did some testing to see how slow we could get our 45LC's and 44Sp's. We got 'em moving so slow, you could SEE the bullet travel downrange, indoors, in a 50 foot range... and it took powder. Primer only... as I already said... stuck in the forcing cone on revolvers.

Years ago I bought an imported M1 Carbine. Picked it out from the shipping crate at the importer - it was a first month of production Inland.
When I took it apart, the gas piston was shear off -the fat part was in the gas tube or whatever you call it. The skinny part that comes past the nut and hits the op rod was gone. Broken right off. The part that was still there was seized in there, with no way to pull or knock it out.

So, I primed an empty Carbine case. Put in in the chamber, held the muzzle tight against the wall, and pulled the trigger. It blew the frozen part right out of the cylinder!

(Replaced it only to discover that now the gun worked, but the bore was totally shot out. Could not hit paper at 10 feet)!

Anyway, the point is that a primer can pack a pretty good punch.

In the case of my .45, I am also aware that too little powder can cause a detonation, glad that did not happen.

[Bawanna]

Well I have a related story to this thread.

Yesterday afternoon a couple officers were training with a regional swat team. Shooting a Glock 21SF. He fired many rounds and suddenly gun got all tied up.

Another officer drove up and got the gun and decided to try to "fix it" rather than just bring it to me. Two of them were in the back beating on it with a hammer and cleaning rod.

As usual it eventually ended up on my desk with 3rd party information of course.

When I got it the barrel was clear, there was a case in the chamber and the slide was locked solid about an inch back from battery. Would not budge forward or back even with solid blows from a soft face hammer.

I got all the guts out of the slide, extractor, striker, drop safety plunger, still nothing, removed all the pins hoping something would move and allow the slide to move. Still nothing.

Eventually I was able to pop it loose, get the case out and lock the slide back.
Releasing the slide it returned to exactly the same spot as before and locked up solid. Had to hammer to get it back. Lots of head scratching, looking, surprisingly very little foul language.

Well today I decided to change strategy as the barrel was just solid and not able to move at all.
Long story short I was able to drive the barrel back into the slide, it broke loose and I got it all apart.

I found that the barrel had a ring and a slight bulge about an inch from the muzzle. Barrel won't slide through the front of the slide like normal, and you can see the ring and defect in the rifling inside.

Only thing I can figure it he got a bullet stuck almost clear, didn't notice it as they were shooting rapidly and put another round behind it and it had enough steam to drive both bullets out.

Anyhow first I've encountered, the bull in the china closet officer broke the ejector in his beat down. I have several spares so took that one out of service and when we get low on guns I'll order a new barrel, already have the other needed parts on hand.

So that's my story for today. I've tried to tell them that using ammo out of a 5 gallon bucket with water in the bottom isn't a good idea. We've had a few squibs lately, every single one drawn from the bucket. I call that a clue.
Never had one out of the box in 1000's of rounds. Instructor say bad ammo. Speer Lawman, I've shot it myself a lot, no issues.
Oh well.

[fuji1]

This is my first post on the site. I just picked up a new cw40 the other day and like it very much. This post is really a good reminder that things can go bad fast with our sport. I reload and had my first squib in January. A new sw1911! Felt like a fool but the gun didn't cycle and I knew something was wrong, so went home tapped it out and all is fine. Like others posted a revolver could be a different story. So the moral of the story is these things happen and we need to remember they do.

So thanks for the post.

Joe

[jocko]

probably a normal thing for a 45, they go so damn slow anyhow, it is a wonder they make it out the barrel even. I actually seen one at an indoor range go about 3 feet out ofthe gun, hit the ground and then the bullet craweled the rest of the way to tyhe target and made a nice round hole in the bulls eye,and then it crawled back to the shooter and climbed up and went into his shirt pocket almost like it was saying. '"WELL HOW DID I DO BOSS".

True story.


welcome aboard

do read the good sticky's for your new kahr,

[chickenman]

Got my CM9 back yesterday - went out and fired it this morning - slowly;)

I gathered a little more info on the ammo I was using when the issue erupted. It was supposed to be factory ammo given to me by my father-in-law. Come to find out, it had gotten wet and apparently stayed wet for some time. He found it that way at the range, but he dried it off and then gave it to me. A few of them had fired fine..... I chunked the rest of it after WD-40ing it. "Free ammo" and stupidity cost me $250:mad:

anyway - the good folks at Kahr did throw in some "laignappe" for my trouble! :Amflag2:

[scosgt]

Got my CM9 back yesterday - went out and fired it this morning - slowly;)

I gathered a little more info on the ammo I was using when the issue erupted. It was supposed to be factory ammo given to me by my father-in-law. Come to find out, it had gotten wet and apparently stayed wet for some time. He found it that way at the range, but he dried it off and then gave it to me. A few of them had fired fine..... I chunked the rest of it after WD-40ing it. "Free ammo" and stupidity cost me $250:mad:

anyway - the good folks at Kahr did throw in some "laignappe" for my trouble! :Amflag2:

And now you understand the old saying:

KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY