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wyntrout
02-18-2013, 03:49 PM
We still see a slew of people having troubles with their new pistols. I'm convinced that many "malfunctions" are user induced and could be prevented in SEVERAL ways.

There is the manual for all pistols... find the proper section for your pistol and read that. Spring orientation... recoil and magazines are critical. The recoil spring "free end" should be to the front of the pistol's slide... that's the open end of the spring.
All of this is covered in the manual AND in the video, but here are some PHOTOS of the manual.pdf:

http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7719&d=1361222935http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7720&d=1361222956http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7722&d=1361223304


The magazine spring should have a free end... the one with the tiny loop end... to the front of the magazine so that it LIFTS the follower in the front to help the rounds get to the chamber.

http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6686&stc=1&d=1349880031



One place where people screw up is in insertion of the slide lock pin. The slide needs to be in the normal position on the frame, not pushed back any! IF you don't get the pin through the hole in the lug under the barrel, you can lock up the pistol! If you manage to poke the pin into the spring on the left side you can bend it and it may no longer hold the pin in its detent when fully inserted. If you catch the free end on right side of the spring with the actuator, you can bend the spring or get it UNDER the slide lock actuator causing it to push UP instead of down on the actuator! This causes the slide lock to be pushed upwards and engage the slide lock after every shot and may even scratch the slide on that side. The free end of the spring must rest on the little ledge on the inside of the slide lock lever and exert downward force on the slide lock until the magazine follower rises to the top on empty and pushes the slide lock up to engage the slide and lock it back on empty. This is a big deal and requires your attention. See the video!

http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7721&d=1361223085http://i47.tinypic.com/25qbyvb.jpg

Another area that seems to be the cause of MANY malfunctions is "limp wristing"... NOT holding the pistol with a FIRM grip during CHAMBERING a round AND FIRING! People think of this when shooting the pistols, but it's VERY IMPORTANT to have a GOOD GRIP on the pistol when you chamber a round. The Kahr pistols are compact and have close tolerances. The slides are short and need stout springs to move the slide with enough force to strip a round from the magazine and whisk it across to the chamber. If you hold the pistol loosely, momentum is transferred to the pistol and moves it instead of transferring all of the energy to chambering the round. This less than full movement of the slide can push the top round with too little momentum and the round can tip over and nosedive against the right side of the feed ramp where it USUALLY jams and usually can't be cleared with just another rack attempt.

The BEST way to chamber a round is to hold the pistol in the gun hand and use your weak hand to rack the slide with an over the slide grip... the fingers over the top of the slide and aft of the ejection port with the thumb along the left side of the slide pointing to the rear. Simultaneously rack the slide while pushing firmly with the gun hand and CLEANLY releasing the slide as it reaches the rearmost position and is ripped from the weak hand. This approximates the rack during firing and offers the best chance of the successful chambering of a round.

The top round should be seated fully to the rear of the magazine and more force can be generated for the rack closer to the body, rather than at arms length. You can also keep your pistol pointed toward the target or the bad guy, which you can't do with the "pinch" method.

The first part of this video could be helpful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hjLbFOw8sow

There is a lot to learn about these great pistols and all of us contribute to each others knowledge here... new members and old members alike!

Wynn:)

wyntrout
02-18-2013, 04:04 PM
Another way to start off on the right foot and give your new Kahr the best chance to operate successfully out of the box, is to use new reputable manufacturer FMJ ammunition, as well as any defensive ammo you might want to carry.

Here's Kahrs take on reloads:

http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7723&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1361223430

If you use reloads... anyone's... you're introducing another variable into the test and could cause problems with feed reloads that are too long, too short, too fat, too weak, or any combination of things. Wait until you're tested the PISTOL before doing SEVERAL tests at once... testing your ammo!

Any ammo you plan to carry for self defense should be thoroughly tested for function in your pistol using the magazines you will use for carry.

IF you choose to carry a Kahr with an empty chamber, you are betting your life that you will have two free hands and the opportunity to chamber a round into your pistol without unduly attracting attention to yourself in the process. Murphy will surely help you, as most malfunctions with Kahrs seem to crop up in CHAMBERING a round. A FIRM GRIP is needed for chambering a round, too, and the first round in the magazine should be fully seated to the rear... or it will probably dive into the feed ramp and hang there!

Everyone has opinions. These are some of mine. I own 7 Kahrs and have had every imaginable problem... I thought, but some of you new guys... and old ones... keep finding or inventing new ones! I want to help you, but it's a daunting task pointing out the obvious in the manuals and the Kahr videos and the helpful links over and over again.

Really watching the take down video and paying attention could stop a lot of the troubles... not all... not every pistol is perfect in every way, but we can try to help you or Kahr can fix what's wrong if it needs to go back to the factory.

Just My Humble opinion!

Wynn:)

wyntrout
02-18-2013, 04:08 PM
Here is the collection of links for most of the stuff I just mentioned.

Welcome to the Kahrtalk forum supported by Kahr Arms.
Here are a few essential links and things to do BEFORE you take your new pistol to the range, and ESPECIALLY BEFORE taking it apart and trying to re-assemble it! The Kahr is a different design… 6-7 unique patents cover the Kahrs. I’m not trying to imply that you don’t know anything about guns, but many don’t know anything about the Kahrs and some of the things you can do to damage or cause malfunctions of your new, or new-to-you Kahr pistol.
First, if you don’t have a manual, yet, or one didn’t come with your pistol, you can download the pdf file here:
http://www.kahr.com/PDF/kahrmanual.pdf
Impatient? Watch one of these videos FIRST! These videos can point out possible problem areas and emphasize correct procedures!
Take down and re-assembly videos:
T, TP, CW, P, & PM/CM Series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=G2cZgVg_SwA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G2cZgVg_SwA)
MK series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...mSCnIOaUk#t=0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zXmSCnIOaUk#t=0s)
K series:
http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9-Elite.asp
There are many links on fixing problems listed in several places… under the New Member or Kahr Tech sub-forums.
A very handy one is the Kahr Lube Diagram:
http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14750
Many of your questions can be answered in these areas and you can learn how your Kahr works and not damage it with improper handling.
Frequently asked questions: http://www.kahr.com/faq.asp?

There are many helpful members here most of the time who might be able to help you, but as anywhere, there are many opinions and not all are correct. Be mindful of this before doing anything drastic to modify your pistol!


Wynn:)
Aka wyntrout

Flincher
02-18-2013, 04:11 PM
I have to repeat a message I've posted on several threads. I bought my first Kahr, a little P380, which is running like crazy through nearly 500 rounds. I followed all your recommendations, all the threads, and read the owners manual thoroughly. I've not had one issue with that little BUG. :)

AIRret
02-18-2013, 04:12 PM
Hey Wyntrout, great job.
We want everyone to enjoy and depend on their Karh pistol like the rest of us on this forum.

wyntrout
02-18-2013, 04:14 PM
Thanks, guys. I really like helping new guys, but several times an hour with the same problems really gets me down sometimes... and keeps me from my domestic chores or finishing range posts!

Wynn:D

ESAFO
02-18-2013, 07:11 PM
keep up the good work WYN, your a wealth of knowledge we all appreciate the time you invest in helping us.. :yo:

Geobob
02-20-2013, 10:17 PM
Can we make this Thread a "Sticky"?