CM9 Mag Follower - good for about 200 rounds

[Sleeve17]

I have 500 rounds through my CM9 and 2 broken followers to show for it. Should I stock up on followers, or might there something wrong with my pistol? I guess I am wondering if 200 rounds is the life expectancy of the followers.

Thoughts

[wyntrout]

Wow. The only 9mm follower I ever broke was trying to convert 9mm mags to .40 in my Kahrs. One follower broke while trying the 9mm mag as a .40. I replaced the follower since it was MY fault.

Kahr should send you replacement followers for any that broke and maybe look at your pistol on THEIR dime if the problem continues. You may have some burr or part of the feed ramp that's bashing the followers!

Pictures and an explanation should get you replacements... really!

Wynn:)

[Sleeve17]

Customer service has been great. They are replacing both sight unseen. I just am a bit surprised both failed at about 200 rounds. I am waiting for my 3rd and final mag to fail.

[guido4198]

Your experience with followers seems unusual. The only thing the failing followers appear to have in common is the pistol you're using them in.
I'd definitely be contacting Kahr to get their take on a pistol problem.

[jocko]

I have 500 rounds through my CM9 and 2 broken followers to show for it. Should I stock up on followers, or might there something wrong with my pistol? I guess I am wondering if 200 rounds is the life expectancy of the followers.

Thoughts

no life expectancy on followers. they should not break. U rke two, I would say if u breakonemore, the gun needs to go backtokahr, the feed ramp is busintng themand that is not gonna go away.Very strange the cm9 doing that though.Keep an eye on it but one more IMO is enough.:Amflag2:

[JimC]

I have 500 rounds through my CM9 and 2 broken followers to show for it. Should I stock up on followers, or might there something wrong with my pistol? I guess I am wondering if 200 rounds is the life expectancy of the followers.

Thoughts

Your fortunate that you only experienced 2 broken followers.

In 2011 during my first 425 rds. thru my PM9 on day one, I had two mags split which rendered them unuseable. Kahr called my Pm9 back, at their expense and checked the pistol out, replaced the mags with no explanation why they split or what action was actually taken.

In the next 204 rds., I had two followers break. Kahr sent me 3 replacements, no questions asked. In the next 100 rds. or so, another follower broke in the same manner. :32:

After 1,836 rds., I have had no other problems with my PM9 however, it doesn't get fired much any longer and it is no longer my EDC pistol. :ohmy:

[Scoundrel]

Your fortunate that you only experienced 2 broken followers.

In 2011 during my first 425 rds. thru my PM9 on day one, I had two mags split which rendered them unuseable. Kahr called my Pm9 back, at their expense and checked the pistol out, replaced the mags with no explanation why they split or what action was actually taken.

In the next 204 rds., I had two followers break. Kahr sent me 3 replacements, no questions asked. In the next 100 rds. or so, another follower broke in the same manner. :32:

After 1,836 rds., I have had no other problems with my PM9 however, it doesn't get fired much any longer and it is no longer my EDC pistol. :ohmy:

With that many magazine problems, the gun really should have gone back to Kahr again. If you can't trust it anymore, well, Kahr can't make it right if you don't sent it back to them for repair.

My CM9 has more than 3500 rounds through it. The only mag problems I had were a 7-rounder with feed issues, and last week I noticed a crack in one magazine. Kahr is sending another one and a return label.

[wyntrout]

I've only had problems with .45 mags. My PM45 started having problems with just inserting the magazine and upon inspection, I noticed that a large "flap" had torn loose from the top rear and would not allow insertion into the magazine well. Looking at the other mags, I noticed that at least 3 others... all different sizes and dates of purchase... had cracks on the upper rear corners.

Kahr asked for the gun and magazines back on their dime. They duplicated the problem and only a new frame would stop the mag destruction. Everthing was fine after that... around August 2010 with pistol new end of Feb.

Then I had the same problem with my mags late last year. Back the gun went and it checked out okay and I got my 6 mags replaced by them. Now, last month I got two new K720G mags from Ivanhoe in poly bags... Kahr packaging. First trip to the range one failed insertion of fill#3! The other I tested for 5 refills with cracking slowly developing. I emailed Kahr CS with pix and got a package of two bubble-packed cards of new K720G's and a pre-paid FedEx label to return the failed ones. They still sit in the packaging. I'm felling a little snake-bit as far as Kahr .45 mags go! They did ask if I wanted to let them look at the pistol again and I declined. I'm hoping that these mags will hold up... the 8 newer and hopefully improved ones... but I am a little apprehensive about shooting with them! I'll have to sometime!

Wynn:)

[JimC]

With that many magazine problems, the gun really should have gone back to Kahr again. If you can't trust it anymore, well, Kahr can't make it right if you don't sent it back to them for repair.

My CM9 has more than 3500 rounds through it. The only mag problems I had were a 7-rounder with feed issues, and last week I noticed a crack in one magazine. Kahr is sending another one and a return label.

I don't think there is anything wrong with it as is, I just don't trust the mags enough to trust my life to them. I really like my PM9.

It's comfortable sitting in my safe. ;)

I trust my 17 year old Glock 27 more and it's back as my EDC pistol and I'm comfortable with that.

[Ikeo74]

I am wondering if all you guys with follower problems are in the habit of loading your mags to max capacity every time and then leaving the max amount in the mags for extended times.
I am thinking there is too much pressure on the plastic followers especially on new mags that have not taken a set on the mag springs yet. After the springs have set, I bet the problems goes away.

[Scoundrel]

I am wondering if all you guys with follower problems are in the habit of loading your mags to max capacity every time and then leaving the max amount in the mags for extended times.
I am thinking there is too much pressure on the plastic followers especially on new mags that have not taken a set on the mag springs yet. After the springs have set, I bet the problems goes away.

I have always done that with no follower problems. I do have a stress crack on one mag (soon to be replaced) and one could argue that your theory might be responsible for that.

[jocko]

naw that is not the problem. Many magaziesby other gun makers have plastic followers and they give no issues. No stress on that follower. Just some thing that happens. Not supposed to IMO and some experience it once and maybe no more. ( Ihad onein over 5 years and 32K rounds) I tink also in the j40 kahrs more than any oter model we have seen the most ad even then it is not alot, althoughw e seemto read it here first, so we assume all are like that, and they are not. My theory ad only a theory is that when that 40 goes bang there is an awful explosin in hat small gun and things that u would thyink cannot possble move, certainly do move, and on some guns maybe more than others.There is alot squeezed into thise small ass kahrs. Just sayin.

If it happens 3 times IMO the gun should go back to kahr and let them sort it out. It is more than likely a ramp issue but also sujmpin that only kahr should address to. They made it, they should know the fix, and again not all do it either..

[bikerbill]

wow ... I've never broken a follower ever ... I have hundreds of rounds through my PM9 and the two mags that came with the gun are still going strong ... either a defect or the deadly "user error." IMHO, o'course ...

[JimC]

wow ... I've never broken a follower ever ... I have hundreds of rounds through my PM9 and the two mags that came with the gun are still going strong ... either a defect or the deadly "user error." IMHO, o'course ...

Just what "user error" do you think could possibly cause a plastic follower(s) to break or a SS mag body to split during normal range use?

I'm interested in hearing your theory on this.

:popcorn:

[Scoundrel]

Me too.
:popcorn:

[Ae35]

As I mentioned before, my follower broke on the 364th round, after I finished the 136 rounds, to make 500, the last 50 HP's and NO FTF's or FTE's, even with the broken follower. I'm very confident in carrying my CM9. Kahr sent me a new follower, and I carry a spare mag now, how reliable the follower is , well it doesn't matter to me if the pistol still works. Now IF I break any more followers I will call and see if they can check it, but I'm not going to waste ammo trying to see how many rounds it takes to fail.

[wyntrout]

I've only broken one follower and that was trying to use 9mm mags for .40. I just bought another follower... my fault.

I have had 4 out of 6, 4 out of 6, and 2 out of 2 new 7-rd extended grip .45 mags split... one after TWO magfuls! That's three different occasions... same pistol, but two different frames on my "Franken-Boomer". So that's at least 10 .45 Kahr mags that split in the upper rear corners. I'm feeling a little snake-bit! I kind of hate to take Boomer to the range and shoot any more! I feel like I ought to save my mags for CC!

Kahr Customer Service replaced all of the mags and looked at my pistol twice for that problem. The first time, they duplicated the problem and only stopped the problem with a new frame. The second time they said the pistol was okay. The third time they offered to look at the pistol again, but I had just bought those two mags and maybe they weren't the "new and improved ones"... if there IS such a thing.

Wynn:)

[JimC]

After splitting two mags, pistol went back to Kahr as I've said here numerous times, and breaking three followers (replaced by Kahr CS), my PM9 has been 100% GTG for 1,107 rds. which includes two HR 218 quals.

Am I to presume that "user error" may have been absent during this period or were the mags and followers just faulty (POS) in the first place?

[jocko]

IMO u can't break a mag follower or split a magazine.The gun if it is not right certainly can but nuttin u can do will cause that. We have not seen much of the split magazines anymore, so maybe that is being taken care of . the follower thing IMO needs to be addressed. Once is to many when u think about it.

Why somne break one or two and then it stops is odd to but my PMJ9 broke one ad has never broekn anutter in over 5 years. Maybe and it is my guess only that when ew things asre so tight and tolerances closer than maybe need be. that after a fdeww hundred rounds the gun loosens up as many says which means to that tolerances have changed a tad,that this clearance now if just right. Just sayin

[5pattys]

This is the exact reason I signed up for Kahrtalk. I just bought my cm9 on the 11th of this month. A day or so after I got it I bought another 6 rd mag. Went to the range the first time a few days after that and the follower broke. Mag still works, it is the plastic on the bottom front of the follower. Bought a 7 rounder on Monday and went to the range this morning with it and as I went to reload the third time, 14 round through it, it was broken in the exact same place as the 6 rounder. I could literally place the broken plastic piece on either of the mags. The 6 rder that came with the gun is still good though???? Emailed kahr today and they are sending out new followers to me. Only time will tell, if another breaks I'm gonna send it in though!

[jocko]

I have no doubt it will break the followers. hOPEFULY U HAVE SAVED THE BROKEN FOLLOWERS, . whenit breaks again email kahr. attn: Jay state ur case and ask them to ssue a pre pair pickup.

Twice is one more time than necessary IMO. document everything when u do, asit helps the techs alot and saves time.

[JimC]

Well, it looks as though the ugly broken follower saga is starting up again.

Just when I read that some wrote there haven't been many reports of 9mm mag follower breakage. :confused:

5pattys, you should not have had breakage like that in such a short period of time with a new pistol.

[5pattys]

As I said, the worst part is the fact that I had only put 14 rounds through the magazine! Hopefully the new followers will fix the problem.

[JimC]

As I said, the worst part is the fact that I had only put 14 rounds through the magazine! Hopefully the new followers will fix the problem.

It's bad enough that the followers break but, I find the fact that Kahr can not or will not addres the problem except to send out replacement followers at N/C, basically unacceptable.

After 1,107 trouble free rounds thru my PM9 using 5 mags. and after breaking 3 followers, I still don't trust the mags in this pistol enough to bet my my life on them...it sits in my safe. :(

[JFootin]

Note: 5pattys CM9 is a used gun that he just bought. He bought 2 new mags, a 6 and a 7 rounder, and the followers quickly broke in both.

5pattys, I replied with a suggestion in your intro thread. An easy fix.

[rhd04]

My 7 rnd broke the follower in my newer pm9 in the same place.