cm9 slow slide return

[BorisJBoris]

I went down to the local gun store today to look at a CM9. It would have been mine but for one nagging concern. If I let the slide go forward slowly it would hang up about midway to the extent that it would actually sit there half open. This happened with or without the magazine in place. Is that normal or is it a deal breaker? If it is normal, what's going on?

Thanks,
Ed

[jocko]

#1 the gun needs to get shot some to get brokenin. The slide whel shot willnot go back slowly as ur trying to make it do. Itis menat to retr5n fast and furiios. I see no issues here what so ever. My bet after a 100+ rounds the slide will work perfectly and be much more smoothed out. Not sure it should sit there haf way either but again rounds down range just sooth things out so much u can't believe it. I would be if u jacked the slide properly it wouldnot do that either. If it doesn't please u, then ask for autter cm9 to try, but IMO u making the gun do thngs itis not designe dto work like either..

[muggsy]

It's not normal. When you hit the slide release the slide should slam into battery. Show it to the owner of LGS and ask if he can check it out. Don't buy any trouble.

[Ikeo74]

It's not normal. When you hit the slide release the slide should slam into battery. Show it to the owner of LGS and ask if he can check it out. Don't buy any trouble.
He didn't use the slide release. He said he pulled the slide back and let it go forward "slowly", and it didn't fully close. It's a new gun, never fired. There is nothing wrong with the gun. Buy it. It only needs lubed.

[wyntrout]

He was trying to manually let it go forward slowly... something that's not normal. A slide release should work as a full rack with clean release... emphasis on the clean part... no riding it or drag on the slide. In any case, you need a FIRM grip on the pistol to chamber a round!

Wynn:)

[BorisJBoris]

You guys are right. If I hit the slide release the slide would operate normally. On the other hand, I have a bunch of other autos and none of them ever had this much drag on a closing slide, even when new out of the box. My question, I guess, is is this normal on a Kahr and if it is, what causes it? Or is this a problem with this particular example?

Ed

[muggsy]

It's not a problem. How you operated the slide is creating a problem where there isn't one.

[wagon]

Good or bad, it's not the point, but we are not to 'ride' the slide with Kahrs. If it returns to battery normally if you use the slide release then it is good to go.

[jocko]

You guys are right. If I hit the slide release the slide would operate normally. On the other hand, I have a bunch of other autos and none of them ever had this much drag on a closing slide, even when new out of the box. My question, I guess, is is this normal on a Kahr and if it is, what causes it? Or is this a problem with this particular example?

Ed

doesnt go as fast as my Porsche does, What shouldI do. My point is please don['t compare what ur other guns do and do not do. they are alldifferent.

the fact is when he uses the slide release lever the gun works exactly like it should. That is what kahr even tells u in the owners manual. vary from their instructions and then it is up to the expertise of the owner. If u slow rack a kahr u gonna get issues.

Also it is a new gun, never even fired yet, WTf give the gun the 200 rounds that also kahr recommends. Why try to present a problem when it is not a problem. If u don't like that partricular gun, u have not bought it yet either, just pass and look for anutter one.. What that gun done would not have bothered me in a second for #1, I would not have tried to slow rack the slide. Ihave zero doubts that 200 rounds out of thegun and this start up issue would never show its head again, But saying thatI also wold say if u try to slow rack a kahr 7 times out of 10 ur gonna get a FTF. It is whatit is.

[Cubby]

doesnt go as fast as my Porsche does, What shouldI do. My point is please don['t compare what ur other guns do and do not do. they are alldifferent.

the fact is when he uses the slide release lever the gun works exactly like it should. That is what kahr even tells u in the owners manual. vary from their instructions and then it is up to the expertise of the owner. If u slow rack a kahr u gonna get issues.

Also it is a new gun, never even fired yet, WTf give the gun the 200 rounds that also kahr recommends. Why try to present a problem when it is not a problem. If u don't like that partricular gun, u have not bought it yet either, just pass and look for anutter one.. What that gun done would not have bothered me in a second for #1, I would not have tried to slow rack the slide. Ihave zero doubts that 200 rounds out of thegun and this start up issue would never show its head again, But saying thatI also wold say if u try to slow rack a kahr 7 times out of 10 ur gonna get a FTF. It is whatit is.

As usual Jocko, you put in right on the "Money" :)

[wyntrout]

Justin Moon went to a great deal of trouble to make a small compact and powerful pistol... inventing one as he went with 6 and 7 new patents. Now everyone is trying to duplicate his design. It's what it is... tight with close tolerances and must be operated correctly to allow its proper function. USUALLY, the slide needs a full run at charging the pistol... and a FIRM grip is part of that procedure... much like the securely mounted anvil of the bl@cksmith! He doesn't use a 1/4" plywood top across two sawhorses for a reason!

Wynn:)

[BorisJBoris]

Just a follow up here. Since no one gave me something specific like, "Yeah, mine did exactly the same thing when it was new." I passed on the CM in the shop and ordered one from Bud's. That way I'll know for sure. If it hangs up too, I'll have a pretty good indication that it's "normal" and it it doesn't I'll know the one in the shop was bad.

Thanks for your input.

Ed

[wyntrout]

Well, that's your decision to make. Now you can start with a brand new pistol and inspect it for non-conformities with other brands of pistols and your "expectations". I hope that you get one that satisfies you and that you save some money with Buds.

While you're waiting, the manual is available for download... a one-manual-for-all-Kahrs. Find your section and you can learn about your pistol. Also, one of the BEST things you can do, is watch the take down video for the polymer Kahrs... very important because many new owners don't, and wind up here with "malfunctions" that they induced. Kahrs are different... using 6 or 7 new patents... and while taking one apart isn't REAL difficult, there is a proper way for that and especially for re-assembly. Springs have proper orientation and the slide lock pin insertion can damage or cause malfunctions if done improperly.:eek:

Downloadable manual pdf:

http://www.kahr.com/PDF/kahrmanual.pdf

Take Down Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G2cZgVg_SwA

Frequently Asked Questions:

http://www.kahr.com/faq.asp?

Wynn:)

[BorisJBoris]

Here's another update. My CM9 arrived from Bud's yesterday. It was quite a surprise since they had warned me that it might take up to 19 days due to the rush. It took only 4 days. I believe ordering rather than buying locally was the correct decision (or at least not a wrong decision) since this one operates much more smoothly than the one in the shop did. I promptly performed all the cleaning, polishing and lubing recommended here by wyntrout and then slipped out the back door and fired six quick rounds to see if there were any obvious problems. Fortunately, all went well. In a bit I'll be heading for my local indoor range to gather additional information. Wish me luck.

Ed

[hardluk1]

No luck needed .. Feed it some 124gr fmj at first and hang on tight.

[2edgesword]

It seems to me that the mating of components on Kahrs is very tight compared to any other handgun I've owned and I believe that is the reason cycling issues occur during the 200 round break in period. Until the firearm has the 200 rounds under its belt and been thoroughly cleaned and lubed I don't think a accurate judgement about the reliability of a particular firearm can be made.

[wyntrout]

The parts need to wear in together, but lubrication is needed. The springs will take a set and be only slightly less strong, as designed. There are many sharp or rough edges that will wear in together and things will get smotther, but don't try to baby the slide forward. Use a frim grip to chamber by the slide lock release method OR a good over-hand rack without riding the slide.

Wynn:)