Porting My PM9

[palhandy]

I just bought a PM9 and noticed that Kahr offers a ported barrel
for the CW9 and the P9 but not the PM9.

The offered ported barrels are 1/2 inch longer than the stock barrels
so I ordered a stock P9 barrel which is 1/2 inch longer than my stock PM9 barrel.

So is this the way to do it?

Get a barrel and have it ported?

Any recommendations?

I noticed that jocko said his PM9 was ported and I sent him
a pm but has anyone else have any ideas?

[JFootin]

Send the disassembled slide and barrel off to Magna-Port. You don't want to ruin the compactness of your micro gun with that longer barrel.

[jocko]

Send the disassembled slide and barrel off to Magna-Port. You don't want to ruin the compactness of your micro gun with that longer barrel.

I told him in a PM the exact same thing.:amflag:

PM sent J

[wyntrout]

The P9/CW9 barrels don't fit the PM9!

http://www.kahrtalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6900&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1353059485

The lower barrel is the PM9. The barrels are very different and don't fit. Lockup is not possible with the longer barrel shroud!

Whole post:

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=15749&highlight=9mm+barrels

It cost shipping each way for your barrel and slide to Mag-na-porting + $140.

Wynn:)

[wyntrout]

Here's a post on my P40 with Mag-na-porting... lots of pictures... long post with pictures of flashes and so on.

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=8426&highlight=Mag-na-ported+P40&page=2

Wynn:)

[rhd04]

How much muzzle vel./energy will you lose with porting a pm9?

[RRP]

How much muzzle vel./energy will you lose with porting a pm9?

Probably enough to make it equivalent to a .380

[jocko]

Magna port says testshave shown 6%. If that is a real cocernthen don't do it. I doubt if the BGT willnotice a 6% reduction, alot also depends on whatur shootin to Velocity ight be close to a non ported 380 but certainly energy should be alot more. 124 grain speer gold dot over a 90 grain 380 +P, apples and oranges IMO

[RRP]

124 grain speer gold dot over a 90 grain 380 +P, apples and oranges IMO

I don't disagree with this, Jocko. But if someone ports their 9mm (minimal kick to start with) in order to tame the gun, it would not seem likely they would select hot loads.

[wyntrout]

Mag-na-porting does not say anything like that. here's what they say:

The Mag-na-port process does not, in itself, alter a handgun's accuracy. The improvement comes from the shooter's being more comfortable, and able to return the gun to a firing position more quickly because of softer recoil. It is this characteristic that is responsible for the popularity of Mag-na-porting amongst law enforcement personnel and competitive shooters.
A number of chronograph tests have been conducted over the years. It has been proven, time and again, that Mag-na-porting does not influence velocities to any meaningful extent.
Whatever your particular interest, the experts agree Mag-na-porting will improve your shooting, and make it more enjoyable.

Autoporting

http://www.magnaport.com/images/mg007.jpg Mag-na-port offers a unique system of porting semi-automatics by using a trapezoidal port through the barrel and an oversized expansion vent through the slide to allow maximum dissipation without fouling. This process offers an alternative to shooters not wanting additonal weight or length from add on compensators.
Shooters using Mag-na-port's "autoporting" services do not experience the large flash of muzzle blast experienced with systems dumping larger volumes of gases through holes positioned across the center line. Law enforcement agencies and companies offering night sights have tested our porting service finding no increase in muzzle blast or night blindness attributed to our porting service.
It's amazing what a difference two trapezoidal slots can make! The wrist-wrenching recoil of a 10mm is controlled through Mag-na-porting making it feel more like an uported .45 ACP. The reduction in muzzle rise and felt recoil allows the .45 to be brought back on target in less time, which could be crucial in a firefight. Autoporting will make the gun more manageable and much more pleasant to shoot. On lighter calibers such as the 9mm, shooters find thier primary benefit gained by autoporting will be the reduction in muzzle jump. The advantage gained by autoporting just might be enough to make a real difference in a crucial situation where quick repeat shot is needed.



http://www.magnaport.com/hgun.html


Wynn:)

[JFootin]

How much muzzle vel./energy will you lose with porting a pm9?

If you use Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +p Short Barrel, you probably won't lose much at all because the bullet is already up to speed before it reaches the port.

Jocko asked me to post his thread with pictures of his customized PM9, so...
http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=859

[wyntrout]

Yep! My normal SD load.

Wynn:)

[RRP]

In my opinion, porting a 9mm is completely unnecessary. This is a much better alternative, (http://www.amazon.com/Fitness-Cathe-Starter-Hand-Grip/dp/B001FB614W/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1361932320&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=hand+grip+strengthener) and cheaper, too.

[krazman]

in my opinion, porting a 9mm is completely unnecessary. This is a much better alternative, (http://www.amazon.com/fitness-cathe-starter-hand-grip/dp/b001fb614w/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=utf8&qid=1361932320&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=hand+grip+strengthener) and cheaper, too.

ouch!!

[palhandy]

Thanks for all the great input...

I canceled the order on the Kahr barrel and will check with Magna.

Now...where can I find a case of range ammo (pre mania price)...

[Bawanna]

Thanks for all the great input...

I canceled the order on the Kahr barrel and will check with Magna.

Now...where can I find a case of range ammo (pre mania price)...

We got some good help around here but we're not miracle workers. Pre Mania ammo prices? Good luck.

When you send you gun off to Magna Port just send the barrel and slide. I had my K40 done and they do nice work.

I hope to send my PM45 off one day. Don't really need it but I'm gonna do it anyway.

[jocko]

Thanks for all the great input...

I canceled the order on the Kahr barrel and will check with Magna.

Now...where can I find a case of range ammo (pre mania price)...

ol jocko sent ya. I have had so many guns magna ported by them they just address them tome as ol jocko, c/o United States of American. No sh!t, I swear on obummer's Harvard degree.:Amflag2:

what the colonel stated though is rioght, just send them the slide and barrel regular postal mail even for about $8 and in 10 days u willbe shooting it at the range. The 9'[s in kahrs are all pleasant to shoot anyway, ported or not ported but IMO my ported kahrs are very cool looking, and my second shot is much faster for me to. Recoil is ultra pleasant to. Nice thing about magna port's work is that it does zero harm to any finish..:Amflag2:

[rhd04]

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In my opinion, porting a 9mm is completely unnecessary. This is a much better alternative, and cheaper, too.

Lol!!!

[palhandy]

ol jocko sent ya. I have had so many guns magna ported by them they just address them tome as ol jocko, c/o United States of American. No sh!t, I swear on obummer's Harvard degree.:Amflag2:

what the colonel stated though is rioght, just send them the slide and barrel regular postal mail even for about $8 and in 10 days u willbe shooting it at the range. The 9'[s in kahrs are all pleasant to shoot anyway, ported or not ported but IMO my ported kahrs are very cool looking, and my second shot is much faster for me to. Recoil is ultra pleasant to. Nice thing about magna port's work is that it does zero harm to any finish..:Amflag2:
What is the cost? Someone said $125?
Do I need to include my return address....:rolleyes:
I still have not found the pictures of you PM9....do you have a link?

[jocko]

no u need not use ur return address, U can just use mine. I will PM it to u...duh????

Jocko's custom PM9

Magna port.com gives u the price and then add about $10 for return shipping.

[palhandy]

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Yesterday, 09:36 PM
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In my opinion, porting a 9mm is completely unnecessary. This is a much better alternative, and cheaper, too.

Lol!!!
Hand strength is not the problem nor is the recoil but muzzle flip
in such a light weight and small package is what I want to improve.

[palhandy]

no u need not use ur return address, U can just use mine. I will PM it to u...duh????

Jocko's custom PM9

Magna port.com gives u the price and then add about $10 for return shipping.
What, no pictures??

How do I know I really want to do this unless I see your precious
in a photo layout....:D

I can't shoot it anway with ammo being hoarded by those who already have more rounds than they will ever need in two lifetimes.... :eek:

WOW...Magnaport is in my backyard....I can hand deliver and pick it up!!!

Found it... http://www.kahrtalk.com/showpost.php?p=6932&postcount=1

[wyntrout]

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m620/wyntrout/Kahr%20P40%20Magna%20Ported/IMG_1753.jpg

I have a post covering my "precious" P40:

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=8426&highlight=Mag-na-ported+P40

There's lots of this:

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m620/wyntrout/Magna-Ported%20%20Kahr%20P40%20Flash%20Pictures/RemUMC180-grJHP2_1787.jpg



I now carry the 180-grain Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel for concealed carry.

I did carry Boomer tonight... my PM45, because it has night sights... on our outing to Red Lobster. Wife's birthday is tomorrow... almost 10 years younger than I, at 57.

Photobucket album with my son shooting:

http://s1134.photobucket.com/albums/m620/wyntrout/Patrick%20shoots/


Wynn:)

[palhandy]

I have a post covering my "precious" P40:

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=8426&highlight=Mag-na-ported+P40

I now carry the 180-grain Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel for concealed carry.

I did carry Boomer tonight... my PM45, because it has night sights... on our outing to Red Lobster. Wife's birthday is tomorrow... almost 10 years younger than I, at 57.

Wynn:)
Looks great....any downside?

Nice ... http://s1134.photobucket.com/albums/...agna%20Ported/ (http://s1134.photobucket.com/albums/m620/wyntrout/Kahr%20P40%20Magna%20Ported/)

[wyntrout]

Not really. I would still like to upgrade my sights... to Trijicon HD NS, but that's not an option, yet... maybe never.:( I have the HD NS Yellow fron on my XD45 Tactical and I have the HD NS Orange-Outlined NS for my new G23C, but I'm still waiting on my sight installation tools from the Glock Store... almost 3 weeks now! They debited my CC on the 15th, but haven't shipped the tools, yet... or answered my two emails !

I made a post on those, too:

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10232&highlight=XD45

Wynn:)

[skydude426]

Anyone out there ever had a pm40 or cm40 Magna Ported?

[palhandy]

Called Magna port and they set me up to bring my barrel and slide
in and have it done WHILE I WAIT!!!

How cool is that!

2 1/2 hr turn around so I can grab some lunch and look for some local
ammo so I can shoot the dang thing when I get it back.... lol

[RRP]

You can't beat that with a stick. Great service.

[getsome]

Thats awesome palhandy, trust me you are going to like your Kahr even more after the porting if for no other reason that it just looks so d@mn kool with those slots in the slide....

To answer Skydude426, yes I have a PM40 now that is ported and previously had a CW40 ported...Mag-na-porting does work and reduces some of the muzzle flip by maybe 20% but a .40 still has a good bit of recoil and flip although nothing a shooter can't get used to but recoil is just the nature of the beast with a .40

In hind sight I would rather have a non ported PM9 than my ported PM40 but since I got such a great deal on my PM40 I'm going to keep it...A new shooter should ALWAYS rent a 9mm and a .40 and shoot them side by side to see the difference...People are different, some don't seem to think a .40 recoils all that bad and others just can't deal with it....I got my PM40 used because the original owner bought it for his wife and and neither she nor he could handle the recoil so he traded it for a .38 revolver....As for myself, I had to learn to adapt to the sharp recoil of a .40 cal, at first it was an eye opener but now it doesn't feel that bad at all...

[palhandy]

I'm as excited as a baboon at a nit picking convention....

I just made that up..... can ya tell.... lol

[Bawanna]

That's sweet. Get porting and not have to wait. Can't get any cooler than that.

Wonder if they charge extra to let you watch, I mean it's not like porn, ya know, well maybe it is a little.

[palhandy]

That's sweet. Get porting and not have to wait. Can't get any cooler than that.

Wonder if they charge extra to let you watch, I mean it's not like porn, ya know, well maybe it is a little.
It doesn't hurt to ask...

I will bring my camera and who knows, maybe I can take
some picture to bring back to the forum...

I'll mention the forum and tell them it would be good for business
to take me on a tour, let me take pictures and show me all their
proprietary secrets..... lol

[Bawanna]

Might also remind them that the holes go on top. Record their reaction to that as well please.

[jocko]

I'm as excited as a baboon at a nit picking convention....

I just made that up..... can ya tell.... lol

but what part did u make up???? Just askin

[palhandy]

but what part did u make up???? Just askin
The "I'm excited as" part.... lol

[skydude426]

Thanks getsome. I don't mind the recoil of my cm40. I was just thinking it would be nice to reduce the muzzle flip so I could get back on target quicker for a second shot. Sounds like the magna ports make a noticeable difference.

[wyntrout]

IF there were a Kahr ported barrel, it would cost as much... $160 plus shipping... as USPS Priority mailing your barrel and slide to Mag-na-port and paying them $140 plus $20 for shipping it back.

Wynn:)

[palhandy]

IF there were a Kahr ported barrel, it would cost as much... $160 plus shipping... as USPS Priority mailing your barrel and slide to Mag-na-port and paying them $140 plus $20 for shipping it back.

Wynn:)
Plus the Kahr ported barrels are ported on the center line of the barrel
and do not have the stability and effectiveness of the magna ported
barrels.....

Monday morning my precious will be in the hands of some artisan who
will transform my fantasic piece of mechanized marvel into
a work of greater functionality and art.....:D

[wyntrout]

Dang! You could'a bought one of those Dremel Like Tools from the China Tool Store... Harbor Freight... and used some of those little attachments to make your own ports and saved $140!

Wynn:D

[palhandy]

Dang! You could'a bought one of those Dremel Like Tools from the China Tool Store... Harbor Freight... and used some of those little attachments to make your own ports and saved $140!

Wynn:D
Dang...now you got me wondering what I should do...
I could buy a dremel and do it myself and save some money
and have a handy little dremel tool to polish my barrel with.... lol

[palhandy]

Porting idea is dead....
I did some more research and someone pointed out that
shooting a ported barrel in a close position to myself
in a defensive situation, would not be a pleasant experience.

I bought the gun for protection, not target shooting...

[Bawanna]

Many subscribe to those beliefs. You'll catch your clothes on fire from the porting you'll burn your eyes out from the flash, yadda yadda yadda.

I don't buy it much. Doubtful you have our own gun close to your face and if you do it'll be the last of your worries in a defense situation. I truly believe it would have to be some bad timing and luck to injure yourself due to porting.

[jocko]

Porting idea is dead....
I did some more research and someone pointed out that
shooting a ported barrel in a close position to myself
in a defensive situation, would not be a pleasant experience.

I bought the gun for protection, not target shooting...

ALWAYS UR SURE ENTITLED TO UR OPIION:Amflag2:

course I am sure u have had many f them to so ur speaking from experience..

I have shot um for over 30 years, but what the hell do I know . I will admit I have never been stupid enough to stick it under my nose either, nor have I ever done that with any non ported gun either. Just sayin

[rhd04]

You made a wise choice. It's for self defense not a competition 1911! Plus it takes away from the guns performance. You give up power for less muzzle rise. IT'S A SELF DEFENSE GUN!!

[palhandy]

Many subscribe to those beliefs. You'll catch your clothes on fire from the porting you'll burn your eyes out from the flash, yadda yadda yadda.

I don't buy it much. Doubtful you have our own gun close to your face and if you do it'll be the last of your worries in a defense situation. I truly believe it would have to be some bad timing and luck to injure yourself due to porting.
Car jacking is a big problem in Detroit.
Shooting from a seated position inside a car might be one of those unlucky situations.

[jocko]

not really worth arguing about either. one either likes um or they don't not a rocket science decision.

[jeepster09]

I usually where my "ported gun mask" when shooting my ported guns.....

[palhandy]

Thanks for all the great input...
And the jokes....:D