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palhandy
02-28-2013, 03:09 PM
Makes sense for concealed carry....

http://youtu.be/-oRUrNjBJIE

340pd
02-28-2013, 04:29 PM
I have them on all my snubbies. I can be on my back, around a barricade, single or offhand, daylight or night, with or without eyeglasses, and still have a great idea where the bullet will go if I apply proper trigger control. I can hit easily at 25 yards and I have yet to ever hear of a bad guy that likes a red dot on his/her chest. I can hand that same gun to a person that has never fired a pistol without any explanation of sight picture and they will scare the crap out of you after 15 minutes of training. I can also use it as a training aid to teach trigger control. The beauty is, you can turn them off if you don't like them.
Yes they can fail, but so can a round malfunction. What they won't do is replace having a knowledge of the basics of firearms.

olympicmotorcars
02-28-2013, 09:02 PM
I had a crimson trace on my PM40 for several months until I was practicing dry firing one evening and saw that either the laser or my night sights were knocked way off ( several feet , at about 10 feet from the target ). It turned out to be the laser. I took them off and have never regretted it. Your experience may be different , I just do not trust them completely any longer.

wyntrout
02-28-2013, 09:20 PM
Your finger can get in the way of the Laser Grips... finger off the trigger. They can be helpful with draw and fire, but like in the movies, they can indicate your position... without the fog or mist! They can illuminate the vicinity of the laser on the pistol and from the front they are very visible... Hey, shoot at the light!:eek:

I have them on my K9... as well as night sights... fresh ones... and an extended grip 8-round +1 loaded, with two of those as spares at my TV chair. With that and a tactical light... I have dozens... I'm ready for almost anything, but I have other choices, too.

Wynn:)

Nimrod
02-28-2013, 10:06 PM
I have Crimson Trace laser sights and night sights on all of my carry guns. I shoot them regularly and have never had the laser sights get off. They work well for me.

ltxi
02-28-2013, 10:11 PM
I have no use for them. I do like tritium sights but even without them I can double tap under stress close enough to poa at up to 25 ft in the dark to comfortably get the job done. Dancing red dot is just an unwanted distraction.

wyntrout
02-28-2013, 10:28 PM
If the Laser dot is at your iron sights' POA, then you're good! The under-barrel mount has less parallax error than the grip-mounted ones show. I have a barrel-inserted laser bore sight that I use, too, but I wonder about it sometimes... dropped it when I pointed the barrel too low one time and the batteries went flying... didn't have the arbor tightened to spread enough!:eek: Still seems true, though, worked with my 10/22 to get it ready for the range.

I don't shoot with the laser enough, but if I put the dot on the target and focus on the trigger pull, I can "hit the dot" pretty often. That's a pretty good training aid. If you do anything wrong with the trigger, the dot is all over the place!

Wynn:)

Jules Winnfield
03-01-2013, 05:05 AM
I have no use for them. I do like tritium sights but even without them I can double tap under stress close enough to poa at up to 25 ft in the dark to comfortably get the job done. Dancing red dot is just an unwanted distraction.

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Longitude Zero
03-01-2013, 06:49 AM
I have no use for them. I do like tritium sights but even without them I can double tap under stress close enough to poa at up to 25 ft in the dark to comfortably get the job done. Dancing red dot is just an unwanted distraction.

My sentiments exactely.

chrish
03-01-2013, 07:39 AM
+2, no desire to own one. give me standard sights or tritium sights. all I need. all I want.

OldLincoln
03-01-2013, 12:15 PM
I was talked out of them because LEO's don't like them, well that's what my son said anyway. I've wondered about the pause, as in the video, of waiting to see the dot where you want. Then I tried them on a friends gun at the range and felt like it was cheating. Of course cheating is a good thing in a gun fight.

I may end up with one someday but for now my big dots feel more natural and faster.

Ol'coot
03-01-2013, 12:17 PM
I also am a huge fan of the Ct lasers and have them on all my carry guns. It is very easy to not activate the laser until needed and still have a good grip on the firearm. The old eyes need all the help they can get and the lasers work very well for me. I see them as an additional tool, I sue my night sights in conjunction with the laser and practice on a regular basis with and without the laser activated. I zero the laser in at 50 feet and have had not issue with it holding zero.

palhandy
03-01-2013, 03:27 PM
Lasers are good for those in situations as describe in the video I posted
so for some a laser is a must while others, they can do without them.

I do not have 20/20 vision and so getting a good sight picture
is harder as my near vision is not what it once was.

I need reading glasses for close up.

The laser helps me to get the gun on target and pump out the rounds
where I want them without wearing bi focals.

I bought this gun for defense, not as a target pistol.

muggsy
03-02-2013, 08:15 AM
Makes sense for concealed carry....

http://youtu.be/-oRUrNjBJIE

If I couldn't hit that perp at six feet without sights I'd give it up!

Popeye
03-02-2013, 10:28 AM
I personally do not have any lasers on my pistols at the moment. However if my eyesight was to detoriate and I felt it benifitted me personally on protecting myself and loved ones. Sure why not.

TheTman
03-02-2013, 12:19 PM
I want every advantage I can get on my SD weapon, and that includes a laser. The benefits to me far outweigh any drawbacks, to me holster selection with some of the lasers is the biggest drawback. As the video shows, you can put a bead on a BG, while exposing much less of your head, giving the BG a very small target to shoot at. I'd have lasers on all my SD pistols if I could afford it. Anything that will give me and edge in a gunfight, I'll take it.
I practice with both the sights, and the laser, so that I am not dependent on the laser should it malfunction.
I wonder if when rifle scopes were first introduced, if people had the same reluctance to adopt the new technology. "I've always done fine with iron sights, what do I need a scope for?"

ripley16
03-02-2013, 12:28 PM
A laser is another arrow in the quiver. Another sight, another tool. To me the main benefit is the fact that a laser allows one to make a very accurate unaimed shot. If you are in concealment, on the ground, contorted in an odd way, or otherwise discombobulated, you are still able to shoot an accurate shot without having the gun anywhere near your sightline. IMHO, this is an almost invaluable asset and makes the laser worthwhile.

josp
03-02-2013, 01:10 PM
One night, in a particularly dark parking lot, as I stopped a car full of urbanites for a "shots fired" call, they quickly exited and I found myself in a 5 to 1 situation. The local police showed up rather quickly and the group of rowdies got quickly calmed when they saw all the dancing little red dots on their chests. Not from me, but the city police. All I had was the issue 11-87 covering the crowd.
Now I too have a CT on my P380, and am contemplating one for the P45 I carry at work.
They have a place, but you should know how to use the regular sights, and even how to point shoot.
My quiver is quite full, but I always keep my eyes open for another option.

TheTman
03-02-2013, 02:55 PM
I've found the laser is a pretty good tool to help with point shooting, I draw my weapon and point at an object without using the sights, then hit the laser to see how close I would have come to hitting it. Most times when fairly close to the object (within 10-15 feet) I was within a few inches of where I thought the shot would hit. Now I am practicing with it at longer ranges, say 20-40 feet, and getting better at the laser lighting up the object I was "aiming" at. I do this a lot while watching TV and practicing during the commercials. I pick different objects each time, so I don't get familiar with pointing at just one thing. I live out in the country with no neighbors close by, so my muzzle doesn't cover anything that would cause harm with a negligent discharge, even though my gun is unloaded and safety checked. Plus I have been using a 1911 and never click the safety off, and keep my trigger finger on a reference point on the frame. I just tighten my middle finger to turn on the laser for a moment to see where the shot would have gone.

Longitude Zero
03-02-2013, 03:38 PM
For those with lasers learn to practice without them. Remember Mr Murphy comes calling whenyou least expect him.

Kinetic
03-02-2013, 11:46 PM
For those with lasers learn to practice without them. Remember Mr Murphy comes calling whenyou least expect him.

Just what would be a worst case Murphy's Law scenario from using a laser? Even if the laser was inaccurate or the batteries suddenly died, your firearm will still function.

Popeye
03-03-2013, 07:28 AM
My CZPO-1 is the only pistol I own with a rail that will recieve a laser. I have thought about putting a small laser sight on it for HD. Sure couldn't hurt if someone did break in,in the middle of the night, and me being still half a sleep with no glasses on. I do have a laser light flashlight como on the shotgun with a pressure switch that lights both at the same time. The flashlight portion alone will blind the hell out of you. .

OldLincoln
03-03-2013, 12:45 PM
I took another look and liked the LaserMax Guide Rod laser for my G30. I would be seriously interested except for the $300 price tag.

Longitude Zero
03-03-2013, 02:40 PM
Just what would be a worst case Murphy's Law scenario from using a laser? Even if the laser was inaccurate or the batteries suddenly died, your firearm will still function.

Precisely. I have seen way too many folks with lasers forget that the gun has iron sights which are the preferred method of sighting th egun that will ALWAYS work.

7shot
03-03-2013, 08:28 PM
I have Crimson Laser sights on my XDm and for me they work really well. My vision at close distances is not what it used to be and sometimes it can be difficult to obtain the front sight when using standard pistol sights. So, currently my setup is the k9 to and from work Mon-Fri and the XDm at night and on weekends.